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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

The crew chief is in the back of the plane. He looks below and to the side(s). I promise you he was not responsible for clearing the airspace and anything coming head on would be in the pilots to spot

"During my six years in the US Army, I trained helicopter crew chiefs. It is their responsibility to be the eyes of the pilot and co-pilot, who – ironically – spend much of their time with their attention trained inside the aircraft."

PPs who were "educating" us, you two are wrong and should stop educating people before you do some learning yourself.

You were mixing up an Air force crew chief who is an aircraft mechanic, with an army Black Hawk crew chief whose job is obstacle avoidance (as per the ex crew chief, not my words)

And I am not the one trying to pin the blame on one or two people. I repeat what I said - *If* there was an error made by someone on the helo, it is the responsibility of all three of them to have corrected it.

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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

I have no idea why he would say that. How strange!

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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

I have no idea why he would say that. How strange!

Nothing strange.
I posted above "educating" you all.

An Air force crew chief vs an Army Black hawk crew chief. Look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

I have no idea why he would say that. How strange!

Nothing strange.
I posted above "educating" you all.

An Air force crew chief vs an Army Black hawk crew chief. Look it up.

You know nothing about black hawks so just stop

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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

I have no idea why he would say that. How strange!

Nothing strange.
I posted above "educating" you all.

An Air force crew chief vs an Army Black hawk crew chief. Look it up.

You know nothing about black hawks so just stop

I am quoting a ex black hawk chief with sources. Why should I stop?

You give us your credentials.

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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

I have no idea why he would say that. How strange!

Nothing strange.
I posted above "educating" you all.

An Air force crew chief vs an Army Black hawk crew chief. Look it up.

You know nothing about black hawks so just stop

I am quoting a ex black hawk chief with sources. Why should I stop?

You give us your credentials.

The crew cheif is mainly responsible for taking care the helicopter. Their secondary job while flying is to see what the pilots’ cannot see, in other words, vantage points NOT directly in front on the pilots. You know…because enemy aircraft comes from all directions. There’s a reason why no one is casting blame on the crew chief and the pilots are getting the brunt of it. Plus the incorrect altitude. Sorry, this is almost entirely on the pilots.

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Anonymous wrote:There has been such a tight lid on the VIP leg of this flight.

There is NO WAY the "VIP" request isn't something that is bad optics.

Where are the journaliats who used to lurk around here?

They weren’t on some special unauthorized route for a VIP. The VIP wasn’t part of this crash.

They were flying an authorized route that is frequently flown by helicopters and were getting signed off on their annual night training on this route when the crash occurred. This was a required evaluation they were doing AFTER whatever VIP business was done

The VIP leg is why they were training in the dark during the busiest hour at National. The public deserves to know who the VIP was and the purpose of the VIP trip.

is the implication that they added the training to justify the VIP trip?

They use the return legs of "VIP" trips as "training" legs very frequently.

If people knew how many BS VIP trips there are in the national airspace, it would be a scandal.

More reason to know who the VIP was!

People want to know who vip was. Ok, but how about people on the AA plane? Was the AA jet a target for whatever reason? Besides skaters, who else were on that plane? Were vip also on that plane?

It’s an interesting question. There’s probably nothing to it, but I don’t think they have yet released the full manifest from the AA flight.

It’s an interesting question because only about 2/3 of the names have been released by family but what “VIP” would be taking a regional jet from Wichita?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone posted a video simulation on Reddit of what the sky might have looked like for the helicopter pilots. They probably didn’t see the airplane until they were right in front it. I do believe they were looking at the departing flight to the right when they should have been looking for the descending plane on the left. It seems like the ATC should have been more specific about the location of the plane.

The sky was not an issue - they confirmed they could see other planes so it wasn’t an issue of weather/fog/clarity etc..

The planes wings had flashing anti collision lights that can be seen several miles away.





Planes aren’t sitting in the sky in stealth mode with the lights out.

No, you don’t know this is true for this situation.

You can literally see light illuminating from the plane on multiple angles of surveillance camera footage

So I guess they saw the lights and just killed a bunch of people and themselves for funsies. That makes more sense.

Wouldn’t be the first time

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Anonymous wrote:Weird that my post linking the official Army website with the job description of a 15T (blackhawk crew chief) was deleted.

The 15T is a helicopter repairer.
They move up the ranks to a crew chief which has additional responsibilities.

Here is a second source on the role for you from another crew chief. Since Mark Mceathron wasn't good enough for you.
https://youtu.be/xRrIRDLBmaI?si=8R-znvG9qlTjGeHt

Again, I am not saying this is on the crew chief. Just saying that we can't just pin this all on the "DEI woman pilot"

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Anonymous wrote:Weird that my post linking the official Army website with the job description of a 15T (blackhawk crew chief) was deleted.

The 15T is a helicopter repairer.
They move up the ranks to a crew chief which has additional responsibilities.

Here is a second source on the role for you from another crew chief. Since Mark Mceathron wasn't good enough for you.
https://youtu.be/xRrIRDLBmaI?si=8R-znvG9qlTjGeHt

Again, I am not saying this is on the crew chief. Just saying that we can't just pin this all on the "DEI woman pilot"

Did you watch the video you linked to? She did not say a word about being responsible for "airspace surveillance" or "obstacle avoidance."
And you did say it was on the crew chief. You said that all three of them were "wrong" if it was an error.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird that my post linking the official Army website with the job description of a 15T (blackhawk crew chief) was deleted.

The 15T is a helicopter repairer.
They move up the ranks to a crew chief which has additional responsibilities.

Here is a second source on the role for you from another crew chief. Since Mark Mceathron wasn't good enough for you.
https://youtu.be/xRrIRDLBmaI?si=8R-znvG9qlTjGeHt

Again, I am not saying this is on the crew chief. Just saying that we can't just pin this all on the "DEI woman pilot"

Did you watch the video you linked to? She did not say a word about being responsible for "airspace surveillance" or "obstacle avoidance."
And you did say it was on the crew chief. You said that all three of them were "wrong" if it was an error.

Are you always this pedantic?

She says she is the eyes and the ears and is responsible for the safety of the craft and her job is to assist the pilot.

Unless we find evidence that one of them was overriding the rest, all three of them are responsible for safe operations, it is a TEAM.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird that my post linking the official Army website with the job description of a 15T (blackhawk crew chief) was deleted.

The 15T is a helicopter repairer.
They move up the ranks to a crew chief which has additional responsibilities.

Here is a second source on the role for you from another crew chief. Since Mark Mceathron wasn't good enough for you.
https://youtu.be/xRrIRDLBmaI?si=8R-znvG9qlTjGeHt

Again, I am not saying this is on the crew chief. Just saying that we can't just pin this all on the "DEI woman pilot"

Did you watch the video you linked to? She did not say a word about being responsible for "airspace surveillance" or "obstacle avoidance."
And you did say it was on the crew chief. You said that all three of them were "wrong" if it was an error.

Are you always this pedantic?

She says she is the eyes and the ears and is responsible for the safety of the craft and her job is to assist the pilot.

Unless we find evidence that one of them was overriding the rest, all three of them are responsible for safe operations, it is a TEAM.

He is in the BACK of the helicopter. What don’t you get about that? The crew chief help see what is out of the pilots range of vision. The plane they collided was directly in front of them in directly in the pilots view AND the pilots were radioed about the plane, its location, where it was going, to go behind it- which they confirmed. The crew chief cannot see out the front of helicopter, does not communicate ATC, has no flight controls. Plus the incorrect altitude issue being investigated. All these things come down to pilot competency. This is in no one the crew chief’s fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

Rebecca as a Captain outranked the copilot, how does that factor in to decision making?

It may have.

NVGs likely were a factor.

That the plane saw the BH at the last second and tried to evade is sad.

ATC could have been more explicit.

NVGs have been used for decades without this ever happening before now. Helicopters and planes don’t crash into each other weekly, monthly, daily. Stop making up excuses. ATC has been using the same commands and language for decade, as have pilots - this wasn’t invented yesterday.

The issue lies with the three in that helicopter. Full stop. The combination of those three individuals is the variable. That plane route was regular and common and the runways were not new.

Were they paying attention? Were they jacking around? ATC was directing dozens of planes all night without issue.

Helicopter behavior on the night in question is the issue here.

Pilots don’t “jack around” or stop paying attention. You sound like you went to the Hollywood flight school.

Sure, Jan! Do you not realize that 99% of people half-ass nearly every duty they have? From jobs to parenthood to life.

You can expect someone to have a serious job and act maturely but do they actually?

The 90+ fighter pilots I know do take their job seriously, yes. Watching Top Gun doesn’t make you an expert. Just because everyone in your life half-asses everything doesn’t mean that’s the way other people behave. I’m sorry you don’t have better role models.

+1

Seriously.

DCUM is fascinating .. magically everyone now knows 90+ fighter pilots and has never met anyone who doesn’t give their all every single day ..

You’d never know from the threads we see on here. The more you know!

Exactly!

How can someone else’s background, friend and work group not be like mine?! I just don’t get it. At least Luigi Mangione was like me, but not really. I don’t work that hard nor that accurately.

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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

I have no idea why he would say that. How strange!

Nothing strange.
I posted above "educating" you all.

An Air force crew chief vs an Army Black hawk crew chief. Look it up.

You know nothing about black hawks so just stop

I am quoting a ex black hawk chief with sources. Why should I stop?

You give us your credentials.

The crew cheif is mainly responsible for taking care the helicopter. Their secondary job while flying is to see what the pilots’ cannot see, in other words, vantage points NOT directly in front on the pilots. You know…because enemy aircraft comes from all directions. There’s a reason why no one is casting blame on the crew chief and the pilots are getting the brunt of it. Plus the incorrect altitude. Sorry, this is almost entirely on the pilots.

No, you don’t have the experience or evidence to make that claim. STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird that my post linking the official Army website with the job description of a 15T (blackhawk crew chief) was deleted.

The 15T is a helicopter repairer.
They move up the ranks to a crew chief which has additional responsibilities.

Here is a second source on the role for you from another crew chief. Since Mark Mceathron wasn't good enough for you.
https://youtu.be/xRrIRDLBmaI?si=8R-znvG9qlTjGeHt

Again, I am not saying this is on the crew chief. Just saying that we can't just pin this all on the "DEI woman pilot"

Did you watch the video you linked to? She did not say a word about being responsible for "airspace surveillance" or "obstacle avoidance."
And you did say it was on the crew chief. You said that all three of them were "wrong" if it was an error.

Are you always this pedantic?

She says she is the eyes and the ears and is responsible for the safety of the craft and her job is to assist the pilot.

Unless we find evidence that one of them was overriding the rest, all three of them are responsible for safe operations, it is a TEAM.

He is in the BACK of the helicopter. What don’t you get about that? The crew chief help see what is out of the pilots range of vision. The plane they collided was directly in front of them in directly in the pilots view AND the pilots were radioed about the plane, its location, where it was going, to go behind it- which they confirmed. The crew chief cannot see out the front of helicopter, does not communicate ATC, has no flight controls. Plus the incorrect altitude issue being investigated. All these things come down to pilot competency. This is in no one the crew chief’s fault.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. STFU.