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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety?  And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here.  I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too. [/quote]

I think the copilot was equally culpable.[/quote]

Why?  Please be specific.  And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.[/quote]

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.[/quote]

And he very well may have.    He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.[/quote]

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.[/quote]

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error  that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.[/quote]

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”[/quote]

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations [/quote]

A crew chief is a mechanic.   They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft.   A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training.  They have no control over the piloting.   Both pilots outranked the crew chief.[/quote]

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread. [/quote]

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.[/quote]

The crew chief is in the back of the plane.  He looks below and to the side(s).  I promise you he was not responsible for clearing the airspace and anything coming head on would be in the pilots to spot [/quote]

"During my six years in the US Army, I trained helicopter crew chiefs. It is their responsibility to be the eyes of the pilot and co-pilot, who – ironically – spend much of their time with their attention trained inside the aircraft."

PPs who were "educating" us, you two are wrong and should stop educating people before you do some learning yourself.

You were mixing up an Air force crew chief who is an aircraft mechanic, with an army Black Hawk crew chief whose job is obstacle avoidance (as per the ex crew chief, not my words)

And I am not the one trying to pin the blame on one or two people. I repeat what I said - *If* there was an error made by someone on the helo, it is the responsibility of all three of them to have corrected it.

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