ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The guy saying Aug kids can’t play on the grade below their actual grade (even though they’re in the correct age range) is nuts. Clubs will not force those kids to play up. If they’re good enough, they will play up just like we see now. And the kids that play in their age range but not on grade will be just fine. The thought that a college coach would dismiss a really good Aug player because they’re not playing with their “grade” but are still in the age range is just stupid. College coaches aren’t dumb. They evaluate talent for a living. And guess what? They’re all at the same tournaments and showcases. If there is a good kid playing on field 6, even though they’re watching another team on field 10, they’re going to walk over and take a look. Especially if that player, and the club, have already done the leg work to reach out to the coaches in the first place, which by the way is how 95% of the kids get recruited anyway.

Thank you. This 100 percent. Besides Aug players won't be the only ones with a misaligned grade going forward -- you'll probably see a fair amount of kids from July to Oct in this situation. And July kids will be the ones with the fewest options. Regardless, clubs and leagues won't have blanket rules about grade on this issue, because they and families will need room to do both. As the new system takes hold, it won't surprise me if Aug-Sep kids start out as the oldest but if they get really, really good look to move up an age group come recruitment time (or seek to play up at show cases) -- all of which really isn't that much different from what we see now.

[Anonymous]

Hahahaha...

The Seasonal Year guy went crazy this morning postiing. Whats the matter reality starting to hit. A GA club provided info on the BY-SY transition and he says its all made up.

That not what I read. Seemed pretty normal and likely what many clubs are going through right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's something interesting.

Big GA club had a club meeting with all the team managers regarding BY-SY. Initially they told all the team managers that Sept-Dec players would be moving from their current team to the grade below. They also said that Aug birthdays would have the option to play up or down a grade. Immediately all the team managers started freaking out because with older players that are currently going through recruitment their current number is how college coaches will know who they are. The team managers also brought up how can you allow an August birthday to play down when it would completely screw them for college recruiting. (Our school district starts in mid Aug)

Apparently club leadership never thought of any of this so they decided to back down and said that all Sept-Dec players would have to choice to play down if they want to. They had no answer for Aug birthdays other than acknowledging the issue.

Nobody really believes leadership will let players choose if they stay with a team or play down if they're a current trapped player. Consensus is that individual coaches will pick and choose the players they like and thats just how it will be.

I bet this same conversation is happing all over right now. People are starting to see that playing down doesnt work with college recruiting. Because of this you can't make an Aug birthday player playing with the correct grade play down on a team thats a grade below them in school when switching from BY to SY.

[Anonymous]

Why are you morons still talking about grade year and school year nonsense? Nothing depends on what grade they are in. It's a 12 month window. Forget what grade they are in. For heavens sake, are you all that dumb?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clubs do not make the age group rules. The leagues do and registration is validated by the state associations. Players can either tryout for the teams for the new age groups or try to play up, playing down will not be allowed.

It’s not up to the parents, clubs, coaches or team managers.

Oh good we agree that Aug birthday players should not be playing down a grade even if technically they're able to depending on when their school starts.

No month can play down, everybody has to play on age or up if good enough.

The nuance that known of us definitely know is if the leagues will push players to play with school year. The reason people are highlight august is that the kids could either be young or old for their grade. While there is the seasonal year guidance, there may be secondary guidance that states, if a player falls within a seasonal year that aligns them outside of their school year, then that player should play with their grade. While I dont think this will be the case, I suppose it’s possible. I think this would be more of a soft guidance than rule. The reality is, leagues and clubs will keep it simple and you will play within the new seasonal year regardless of grade. The very few outliers will self calibrate if and when that time matters.

Correct, this is what people are trying to tell the ding dong that thinks Aug birthday players well be given the "option" to play down a grade. This just won't happen especially when players are older. Leagues need to implement a rule with SY saying that players must play on a team thats their grade in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you morons still talking about grade year and school year nonsense? Nothing depends on what grade they are in. It's a 12 month window. Forget what grade they are in. For heavens sake, are you all that dumb?

What's 7v7 like? Its been do long.

Do you still run on the field to hold your kids hand? Still doing the tunnel after games?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you morons still talking about grade year and school year nonsense? Nothing depends on what grade they are in. It's a 12 month window. Forget what grade they are in. For heavens sake, are you all that dumb?

Well, my DD is a Sept 29 birthday and the VA school cut off is Sept 30th. She went on time to school. She does not want to play "down" and plans to stay with her current team, which aligns with her grade. It's not that complicated. Her coach is on board.

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Anonymous wrote:Clubs do not make the age group rules. The leagues do and registration is validated by the state associations. Players can either tryout for the teams for the new age groups or try to play up, playing down will not be allowed.

It’s not up to the parents, clubs, coaches or team managers.

Oh good we agree that Aug birthday players should not be playing down a grade even if technically they're able to depending on when their school starts.

No month can play down, everybody has to play on age or up if good enough.

The nuance that known of us definitely know is if the leagues will push players to play with school year. The reason people are highlight august is that the kids could either be young or old for their grade. While there is the seasonal year guidance, there may be secondary guidance that states, if a player falls within a seasonal year that aligns them outside of their school year, then that player should play with their grade. While I dont think this will be the case, I suppose it’s possible. I think this would be more of a soft guidance than rule. The reality is, leagues and clubs will keep it simple and you will play within the new seasonal year regardless of grade. The very few outliers will self calibrate if and when that time matters.

Correct, this is what people are trying to tell the ding dong that thinks Aug birthday players well be given the "option" to play down a grade. This just won't happen especially when players are older. Leagues need to implement a rule with SY saying that players must play on a team thats their grade in school.

The GA post said their club told them that Aug birthday players would be given the option to choose which level players should play at. Unfortunately this could mean several things. Did they mean that depending on which grade that are in school they can choose the team thats their grade. Or did they mean Aug birthdays could play down a grade if they chose to? The team managers seemed to think it would allow Aug birthday players a grade older to play down a grade if they chose to. Which it didnt seem like they were keen to happening. Unfortunately no new info either way leagues are going to need to comment on this. The "Seasonal Year" sidestep is lame and only creates issues for clubs.

[Anonymous]

It’s not hard. August plays under the Aug1-jul31 cutoff, which is likely their grade for most of the country, or they can play up (like anyone else).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clubs do not make the age group rules. The leagues do and registration is validated by the state associations. Players can either tryout for the teams for the new age groups or try to play up, playing down will not be allowed.

It’s not up to the parents, clubs, coaches or team managers.

Oh good we agree that Aug birthday players should not be playing down a grade even if technically they're able to depending on when their school starts.

No month can play down, everybody has to play on age or up if good enough.

The nuance that known of us definitely know is if the leagues will push players to play with school year. The reason people are highlight august is that the kids could either be young or old for their grade. While there is the seasonal year guidance, there may be secondary guidance that states, if a player falls within a seasonal year that aligns them outside of their school year, then that player should play with their grade. While I dont think this will be the case, I suppose it’s possible. I think this would be more of a soft guidance than rule. The reality is, leagues and clubs will keep it simple and you will play within the new seasonal year regardless of grade. The very few outliers will self calibrate if and when that time matters.

Correct, this is what people are trying to tell the ding dong that thinks Aug birthday players well be given the "option" to play down a grade. This just won't happen especially when players are older. Leagues need to implement a rule with SY saying that players must play on a team thats their grade in school.

The GA post said their club told them that Aug birthday players would be given the option to choose which level players should play at. Unfortunately this could mean several things. Did they mean that depending on which grade that are in school they can choose the team thats their grade. Or did they mean Aug birthdays could play down a grade if they chose to? The team managers seemed to think it would allow Aug birthday players a grade older to play down a grade if they chose to. Which it didnt seem like they were keen to happening. Unfortunately no new info either way leagues are going to need to comment on this. The "Seasonal Year" sidestep is lame and only creates issues for clubs.

No, it doesn't. If the player is good enough that they can play with team a SY cohort above them - then fine. If not, they play with their cohort, which starts in August.

Ignore the grades, it is all 12 month based. It happens that 99% of kids will be aligned with their grade with this change but some fall through the cracks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not hard. August plays under the Aug1-jul31 cutoff, which is likely their grade for most of the country, or they can play up (like anyone else).

Everyone agrees.

The issue is some Aug birthday player parents want to choose to play down a grade. The parent logic is my Aug birthday kid can be the youngest on a team with players their grade. Or they can be the oldest on a team with players a grade younger.

With littles it doesnt matter people only care about wins. With olders it 1000% matters because playing down a grade makes players unrecruitable for college.

In the end it's better to not allow playing down a grade. Because it solves issues before they become issues.

[Anonymous]

So they’ll just have to deal like they do now with BY and like they did pre 2017. A cutoff is a cutoff. SY is not a panacea for recruitment ease; and wasn’t intended to be. Yall need to get over this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not hard. August plays under the Aug1-jul31 cutoff, which is likely their grade for most of the country, or they can play up (like anyone else).

Everyone agrees.

The issue is some Aug birthday player parents want to choose to play down a grade. The parent logic is my Aug birthday kid can be the youngest on a team with players their grade. Or they can be the oldest on a team with players a grade younger.

With littles it doesnt matter people only care about wins. With olders it 1000% matters because playing down a grade makes players unrecruitable for college.

In the end it's better to not allow playing down a grade. Because it solves issues before they become issues.

Either way the top clubs will adopt a policy that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. When there's 20-30 potential options for every field position / roster spot clubs won't waste time and effort on players playing down a grade. You might see it in the garbage clubs that are trying anything they can just to be relevant. Crazy parents will search this clubs out and surprise surprise everything at some point will blow up in spectacular fashion like it always does at garbage clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So they’ll just have to deal like they do now with BY and like they did pre 2017. A cutoff is a cutoff. SY is not a panacea for recruitment ease; and wasn’t intended to be. Yall need to get over this.

Yall need to invest in a calendar and learn to read it. Nobody wants a grade older Aug birthday players playing down on their kids team.

[Anonymous]

Simple fact: There is no hard rule on grade. Where the misaligned kids are allocated are a joint decision by club, coaches and the players’ family. All three parties need the flexibility in some ways, so no one likes to be self contained by adding any other hard rule.