ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.


Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?



NP.

So you seem to think being arrested will be unpleasant (likely true)!and that somehow gives you the right to simply run away when given a lawful order by the police?

Good had been on the scene for some time, intentionally blocking ICE vehicles while waving others through. That is a crime.

There was ample justification to initiate a stop. She opted to flee from a lawful order. Fleeing from law enforcement is a crime. She then attempted to run down a law enforcement officer. He defended himself, which is a justified use of force.

Case closed.


Oh come on.

She "attempted to flee" - they already had her license plate and wasn't going to be hard to find, after all she would have gone to pick her kids back up from school etc.

And she DID wave ICE vehicles through. That's already proven.

As for this "all she had to do is comply."

Well every piece of officer safety training where it deals with vehicular interactions says "DO NOT put your body in the path of a vehicle."

All HE had to do is comply with standard protocols and training and none of this would have happened. Why do you give him a pass for not complying?
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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.


What absolutely brilliant legal analysis. Bravo.

* Now, here's a cookie...run along and go play! *
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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.


"Taunting" does not merit summary execution.

Verdict: Guilty as hell.
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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.


Wrong. You don't get to shoot someone for talking to you in a way you don't like. If he was worried, why did HE position himself near the vehicle?

Your defense of this man holds no water. Why are you in favor of cold blooded murder?
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Why is Trump stating he will hit Iran hard if they kill protesters when his own goons are killing protesters here?
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Anonymous wrote:“The news media has reported paid agitators and bots are posting the majority of the hate comments against Renee Good. The Minneapolis Star is even deriving the script the agitators are using based on repeated phrases and identical false claims.”

I mean, we knew this, but it’s nice to see it validated.


Yep. There is no support for ICE. Even my conservative friends are upset and pissed off. ICE will be defunded and its responsibilities will be moved to other governments agencies.


Well. . . there's multiple videos of ICE agents getting stuck in snow and not knowing how to get unstuck (civilians are not coming out to help like they would do with anybody else) and falling on ice. People in Mpls are also hoping for some seasonal weather to replace the extremely mild temps they've had.


please post fun videos


search insta "DHS slip car stuck Minnesota" video by noturtlesoup17
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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?


Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?


If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.


Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?


I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.


That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.


I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.


Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.


I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.


You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.


Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .


NP and I won't call you a collaborator. I totally understand and have been thinking a lot about the privilege I have attending protests because a) I am white b) I have the means to call a lawyer immediately c) I am I over 50 and my kids don't need me the way they used to. I think about these privileges every time I attend a protest with the awareness that 10-15 years ago, I would not have dared to make the same choices.

But that said, it would have been a choice to prioritize one responsibility over another. I would not have changed my understanding of injustice. And I would have been grateful of those who took on the risks.

I think PPs are reacting negatively because sounds like you are implicitly criticizing the person who makes a different decision instead of criticizing the person who murdered her.


Thank you for taking the time to post this comment. Although not in every post, I have actually said several times that she didn't deserve to die and that he was wrong. I still believe we all make choices and that results/consequences may not be fair, rational, or what we wanted. Life can be very hard. My children are my priority.


If you are saying you would fear to protest injustice, because you don't want to lose your life and orphan your children, that says a lot about how far this country has fallen. The Trump administration has made us as bad as all the other horrible autocracies we watch in horror as they kill their own people.


You don't have young kids?


Read the post again. A person with or without kids in American should not fear for their LIFE going to a protest. Might they get arrested, depending on the situation, sure. But shot in the head three times?

Stop defending murder. Stop defending this as business as usual in America. In America, peaceful protest should not end up with you being shot. There is zero evidence in those multiple videos that the shooting was justified. It was a trigger-happy, angry ICE agent who created a situation so he could shoot someone. He belongs in jail.
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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.


lol..

“Well, your Honor, they hurt my client’s fee fees. In this frame you can clearly see the tears forming in the corners of his eyes. At most he’s guilty of being a little B.”
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Anonymous wrote:Why is Trump stating he will hit Iran hard if they kill protesters when his own goons are killing protesters here?


Epstein files.
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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.


+1
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She was ordered out of the car. At that point anything else she did was attempting to escape arrest. She was using a deadly weapon in the attempt and that gave a reasonable fear of death / great bodily injury to all of the nearby officers, not just the one in front of her. A frame from his video posted showed her looking directly at him yet she still drove forward. How is this different from a suspect trying to shoot their way out of arrest?
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“The news media has reported paid agitators and bots are posting the majority of the hate comments against Renee Good. The Minneapolis Star is even deriving the script the agitators are using based on repeated phrases and identical false claims.”

I mean, we knew this, but it’s nice to see it validated.


Yep. There is no support for ICE. Even my conservative friends are upset and pissed off. ICE will be defunded and its responsibilities will be moved to other governments agencies.


No. Schumer and Jeffries have already said ICE will not be defunded. They have appropriated $120 Billion towards ICE and the hiring of 10,000 new agents with $50,000 bonuses each, not to mention the establishment of new detention facilities that will hold an additional 100,000 detainees. The Democratic leadership is not touching that. Schumer and Jeffries are very clear about this. And that is who Democrats have chosen to be their leaders in the House and Senate. So nothing happening there.

State and local gov.t have tremendous power to curb ICE. The fact that they have not done so is enraging. We must all insist our local law enforcement have non-cooperation agreements with ICE unless it is a criminal arrest.
Also, state and local governments can and should:
Track ICE apprehensions/ account for all victims
Run support hotline for impacted families
Provide legal aid to immigrants
Track ICE locations & share Info with immigrants at risk
Maintain list of ICE license plates.


how can people help locally? who is doing good work?

I don’t know where you were located, but you can simply call your own local officials your council of person, your mayor, your state legislator, and ask them to put some brakes on ice specifically and then list off everything I wrote.

If you tell me your area, I can maybe help you find an indivisible group that could be doing this work.

Or, Go to indivisible.org put in your ZIP Code and you will find multiple groups you can reach out to and ask if they were doing this work. This is a big ask from indivisible national, that we get our state and local elected officials to stop dropping F bombs and to pass legislation.
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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.


Oh jeez. Have you ever seen those first amendment videos where the people recording are straight up dicks to police and the people they record? Most of the time the police are professional and follow protocol.

ICE's protocol seems not to even try to deescalte. And police would never record with their cell phone and stand in front of a car. Not to mention the other approaching aggressively, swearing, and trying to open her car door right off the bat.

The behavior is allowed and encouraged. So horrible it led to a shooting/murder.
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Anonymous wrote:She was ordered out of the car. At that point anything else she did was attempting to escape arrest. She was using a deadly weapon in the attempt and that gave a reasonable fear of death / great bodily injury to all of the nearby officers, not just the one in front of her. A frame from his video posted showed her looking directly at him yet she still drove forward. How is this different from a suspect trying to shoot their way out of arrest?

She was asked to get out of the car AND she was told to move. Which is it?
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