What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Did you not see the latest update from 9/30?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/human-interest/6-more-causes-of-death-ruled-out-for-california-family-who-mysteriously-died-on-hiking-trail/%3famp=true

Suicide and drug/alcohol ruled out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

The latest LE update said that they ruled out suicide. Now, I don’t know how they can entirely rule it out, but do you really think they’re trying to cover something up?

Belief in this silliness allows PP to be right regardless of what the police announce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

Says the idiot who uses y'all when typing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

It’s odd to rule out suicide when all the toxicology results aren’t back yet.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Did you not see the latest update from 9/30?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/human-interest/6-more-causes-of-death-ruled-out-for-california-family-who-mysteriously-died-on-hiking-trail/%3famp=true

Suicide and drug/alcohol ruled out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like toxic algae and heat stroke are still contenders.

At least a month ago the sheriff said no wildlife or livestock who drink from that river have seemed to be affected by the algae.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water.

For people who are unfamiliar, take a look at the SL trail using Google Earth. When the change in elevation requires switchbacks to get up the trail, it is steep. And in 109+ degree heat and direct sun, might as well have been Everest. The truck was so close but much too far, tragically.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

The counterargument is that people were out in the same heat and didn't randomly die. Of course, they ignore the other factors, like the trail or baby. "I once walked a mile in 100F over flat ground and I didn't die."

This.

The authorities are saying they're stumped. They've closed the trail as a precaution. People will be speculating until the official COD comes out. Probably heat stroke, but if they're interviewing a lot of people (as has been mentioned?), it seems to be more than heat stroke.

HS without witnesses is a diagnosis of exclusion so they are working through other possibilities. They just ruled out most potential causes of death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Suicide was explicitly ruled out last week.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water.

For people who are unfamiliar, take a look at the SL trail using Google Earth. When the change in elevation requires switchbacks to get up the trail, it is steep. And in 109+ degree heat and direct sun, might as well have been Everest. The truck was so close but much too far, tragically.

I give it about three posts before someone tells you that the trail must be safe or it wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water.

For people who are unfamiliar, take a look at the SL trail using Google Earth. When the change in elevation requires switchbacks to get up the trail, it is steep. And in 109+ degree heat and direct sun, might as well have been Everest. The truck was so close but much too far, tragically.

Christ on a cracker!
I had never looked at their trail on Google earth, but did just now... those switchbacks are insane. 😱

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water.

For people who are unfamiliar, take a look at the SL trail using Google Earth. When the change in elevation requires switchbacks to get up the trail, it is steep. And in 109+ degree heat and direct sun, might as well have been Everest. The truck was so close but much too far, tragically.

I give it about three posts before someone tells you that the trail must be safe or it wouldn't exist.

The trail is fine, if strenuous, in cooler weather. No locals hike it in the heat of summer, thus no one came upon the bodies for days. There are loads of photos of the trail being repaired after the fires on the Mariposa Trails FB group, they put in a lot of effort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water.

For people who are unfamiliar, take a look at the SL trail using Google Earth. When the change in elevation requires switchbacks to get up the trail, it is steep. And in 109+ degree heat and direct sun, might as well have been Everest. The truck was so close but much too far, tragically.

Christ on a cracker!
I had never looked at their trail on Google earth, but did just now... those switchbacks are insane. 😱

In full sun, with temps over 109 in Devil's Gulch, they sadly could not make it up. Not only was the sun baking down (tree cover having burned in 2018 fire) but the canyon was radiating up heat. It had to be brutal.

Days later, SAR dogs had to be pulled because they were burning their paws on the trail and one LE was overcome by heat on Wednesday morning, Sunday afternoon was hotter. LE also had difficulty with satellite phones where the bodies were found so I'm not even certain a PLB would have worked. They had to hike up higher to get a signal.

That canyon is deep and once you go down to the bottom it is going to be hell getting back out. On AllTrails many of the reviews from spring months mention the heat in the canyon. Devil's Gulch appears to be aptly named.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's obviously heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die. Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20

People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though.

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water.

For people who are unfamiliar, take a look at the SL trail using Google Earth. When the change in elevation requires switchbacks to get up the trail, it is steep. And in 109+ degree heat and direct sun, might as well have been Everest. The truck was so close but much too far, tragically.

Christ on a cracker!
I had never looked at their trail on Google earth, but did just now... those switchbacks are insane. 😱

In full sun, with temps over 109 in Devil's Gulch, they sadly could not make it up. Not only was the sun baking down (tree cover having burned in 2018 fire) but the canyon was radiating up heat. It had to be brutal.

Days later, SAR dogs had to be pulled because they were burning their paws on the trail and one LE was overcome by heat on Wednesday morning, Sunday afternoon was hotter. LE also had difficulty with satellite phones where the bodies were found so I'm not even certain a PLB would have worked. They had to hike up higher to get a signal.

That canyon is deep and once you go down to the bottom it is going to be hell getting back out. On AllTrails many of the reviews from spring months mention the heat in the canyon. Devil's Gulch appears to be aptly named.

Wow, thanks so much for all of that detail.
I had no idea how arduous it would've been to get back to the truck, thanks for suggesting Google Earth.

Like most people, I had imagined in my mind what I thought their trail probably looked like, but seeing it on Google Earth was shocking and NOTHING like I imagined.
It really put into perspective the daunting nature of what they were dealing with.

I imagine none of their families knew they were taking these seriously dangerous hikes with the baby, because once look at Google Earth would've made me TERRIFIED for my grandchild, no matter how experienced of a hiker my child was.

There's a big difference between the heat a toddler can tolerate and the heat an adult can tolerate.... devil's gulch indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So suicide and illegal drugs/alcohol were ruled out. That negates all the fantasizing about how crazy and debauched this couple was (especially Ellen). While their deaths are still tragic, at least the family can take comfort that it wasn’t suicide or drugs.

Those troll posts were from sock puppet accounts and Jeff has deleted and blocked the troll.