The Cambridges News and Updates ( Prince William, Kate Middleton, George, Charlotte and Louis)

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If the BRF doesn't listen to anyone, maybe now is the time. Because I've never seen such a diplomatic shellacking.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing to me that the BRF seems shocked by this. They and their team are incredibly stupid.

In the last Jamaican election both candidates campaigned on dropping the monarchy. The current administration has been criticized because it hasn’t made much progress on setting up a referendum to change the constitution to dump them. It’s impossible that the Jamaican administration did not object to the visit. It’s highly likely that the BRF pushed because they want a world tour as the Queen is possibly close to dying in the next year. The BRF does nothing for Jamaica or it’s tourism. They simply wanted to project that the next generation of royals are relevant and on top of the realm. Jamaica ca gave in and the current politicians saw it as a win to give them their walking papers and tamp down the criticism of not dropping them sooner.

The BRF walked into a mess entirely of their own making. Huge blunder but probably not the last.

The BRF pushed because they realized that not only is the Queen is dying but William, the future head of state, has never once been to 9 out of the 14 countries he's supposed to be King of. He turns 40 in June. Jamaica, Belize, and the Bahamas are pushing back because...he doesn't care about them. Simple.

Why should he? The whole idea of the commonwealth is ridiculous and unworkable. I don’t blame him for being unhappy about this one bit. The Jamaican government been so rude to them.

You can't be King of a country you don't care about - let alone never visited. They're all going to dump his 'I long for the colonial era' idiocy.

Well exactly. I highly doubt he cares if these nations go. They do nothing for the UK.

And the UK does nothing for them. The issue is (now more than ever) the UK is desperate for trade deals from more powerful countries and they too are paying them dust. If the big and little countries don't want you and you walked away from a powerful alliance in the European Union - where does that leave you?

With the worst standards of living in nearing a century, that's where. Good luck to Boris because these idiots aren't helping him sell Brexit or alliances at all.

This is what we call a non-sequitur response. Has nothing to do with the matter.

Jamaica is hardly of strategic or economic importance to any country outside the local Caribbean islands. There is a large population of Jamaicans who emigrated to Britain and that is the lingering link.

The real story is that the royal tour was organized and did exactly what all previous royal tours had done without a hiccup. Except this time the existence of a tour became a political hot topic for Jamaicans and certain Jamaican politicians. Kate and William didn't do anything wrong or rude. If anything, the Jamaican government is more in the wrong because if it was problematic, they should have told the Palace not to have the tour. And the Palace wouldn't. But it does look like they walked into a deliberate trap used by Jamaican politicians for political gains.

And all this will be forgotten by most people in a week when they move on to the next scandal, whether in Jamaica or elsewhere.

Kate and William didn't do anything at all. They showed up for Instagram photo-ops and literally had the Jamaicans put on a fake military parade so they could take colonial-era photos and mimic the Queen. They aren't serious about their roles or helping the people. So they're out.

As for the 'next' scandal, the British royals have been rocking scandal-after-scandal since the start of 2022. Whatever the next one is, nice that you're looking forward to it, will be a doozy.

Fin.

FFS, the BRF - and certainly not W and K - did not demand a parade. These events are proposed and put on my the host country, silly. If Jamaica didn’t want to engage, they shouldn’t have. They could certainly have declined the visit.

You think the Jamaicans proposed setting up in military dress uniform in an empty soccer field while Will and Kate stood on the back of a 75-year-old jeep and waved at no one?

The Cambridges keen team suggested it to get shots harking back to the Queen's visit for the Platinum Jubilee and shot themselves in the foot in the process.

Empty gestures from empty heads.

Yes, I absolutely think the Jamaicans proposed this or would have worked closely with the BRF to coordinate.

Then you're a fool. No majority-black nation wants to put on a display for colonizer Barbie while their people are demanding an apology for all of the colonial atrocities. This was all Cambridge 'look we are the Queen 2.0' and it flopped. Hard.

Be honest. The world has changed a lot in the past 10 years. Jamaica has gone from a country that loves the queen to a country that wants to get rid of her. Kate is just a symbol of that, not the cause.

The Jamaicans point blank said they respect and love the Queen. William and Kate became a symbol of anti-monarchy because of their actions or lack there of. Starting with ignoring these countries (they've never been there!) for 10 years, including controversial racist quotes that William neither owned up too nor apologized for (once is a concern, twice is a pattern, three times is ridiculous), and ending with showing up on a country's doorstep to take cutsie photos and bounce. They might as well be on vacation in Mustique.

They're intending to get rid of the queen by August. Not Charles or William. The queen.

It's a generational change, not a change in the BRF.

The Queen is dying. Any actions taken now are a reflection on the future.

Right? But they aren't waiting until she passes. This isn't about "colonizer Barbie" or about Kate or about William. Or even about Elizabeth. It's about Jamaica.

If William had shown even an iota of interest in the Caribbean or not letting racist drivel fall from his lips every year maybe they would have waited. As it is might as well get started, they don't want to ever have to bow and scrape for King William.

Haha. You think that if Harry and Meghan had stuck around and had been the ones to go to Jamaica, that they wouldn't have been told the same thing? Suuure.

DP: Possibly. Meghan’s experiences with the British press and media, the BRF, and the BRF’s apparent lack of interest in addressing the issues of racism were noticed by millions of people— including millions of people in Commonwealth countries. Actions have consequences. The personal is political. I think some of you don’t realize what a powerful symbol of representation Meghan was —and is — to many people. Harry, unlike William, has a long-standing history of positive interactions with people from many of the Commonwealth countries. I think if Harry and Meghan had gone to Jamaica, the transition to become a republic would have been held off as long as the Queen is alive.

I agree with this. I think the ultimate result would be the same, but it would have happened after the Queen passed. People really dislike Will and Kate, though.

Yep, result would have been the same even if Harry and Meghan had gone there, although some don't like them either. Well, Jamaica better get busy making that money. So they don't have to ask for hand outs, when the next disaster hits. It cuts both ways!

The UK royal family doesn't give money away dear. It takes it. No more expenses for hosting royals coming Jamaica or Belize's way.

Yes, the royal family generates money for the areas they visit. People come to see them - they came to see William and Kate in Jamaica, although PPs only posted the unflattering pics and none of the good ones. They were a benefit. Now they aren't.

Delusional.

do you also walk around the house muttering hatefully or just on here? This thread is pages and pages of you spewing hate. Why not get a more productive hobby?

I’ve almost never posted in this thread. But, as previously observed, you are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:do you also walk around the house muttering hatefully or just on here? This thread is pages and pages of you spewing hate. Why not get a more productive hobby?

Not quite, babydoll. Come back when there are four threads worth of hateful comments against these bumbling idiots. 🤣🤣

This is simply justified criticism.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

This is hilarious!

What you’re saying is that William and Kate as representatives of the head of state, wanted to use this trip as a symbolic gesture of unity in the commonwealth and Jamaican leaders chose to use it as a symbolic breaking away of the commonwealth.

All of this is diplomacy and politics. One side did it well and the other failed miserably.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

This is hilarious!

What you’re saying is that William and Kate as representatives of the head of state, wanted to use this trip as a symbolic gesture of unity in the commonwealth and Jamaican leaders chose to use it as a symbolic breaking away of the commonwealth.

All of this is diplomacy and politics. One side did it well and the other failed miserably.

Whatever. If by “doing it well” you mean being needlessly rude to your visitors and at once inviting the PR for your country’s tourism and at the same time using them to pander to people about an uncontroversial move away from the commonwealth, then yes, Jamaica for the win! Well done Jamaica!

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

its quite clear that these visits were coordinated between the governments. the alternative is that will and kate decided they wanted to pop in on the caribbean and somehow magically all the military receptions, head of state appearances and social events just magically happened. there were something like 100 protesters in Jamaica and around 10,000 people there to welcome them. while the jamaica trip had its problematic moments, it was a success overall. I think the point of these visits is to highlight and reinforce the friendship between the various countries, regardless of what the formal relationship is or will be. and by that standard it was and continues to be a success, despite the pages and pages of the twitter screen shots and non sequitors on this thread saying it was a terrible trip.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

its quite clear that these visits were coordinated between the governments. the alternative is that will and kate decided they wanted to pop in on the caribbean and somehow magically all the military receptions, head of state appearances and social events just magically happened. there were something like 100 protesters in Jamaica and around 10,000 people there to welcome them. while the jamaica trip had its problematic moments, it was a success overall. I think the point of these visits is to highlight and reinforce the friendship between the various countries, regardless of what the formal relationship is or will be. and by that standard it was and continues to be a success, despite the pages and pages of the twitter screen shots and non sequitors on this thread saying it was a terrible trip.

It was a terrible tour. So much so that the Queen’s Press Secretary took over in the last 24 hours. Embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

its quite clear that these visits were coordinated between the governments. the alternative is that will and kate decided they wanted to pop in on the caribbean and somehow magically all the military receptions, head of state appearances and social events just magically happened. there were something like 100 protesters in Jamaica and around 10,000 people there to welcome them. while the jamaica trip had its problematic moments, it was a success overall. I think the point of these visits is to highlight and reinforce the friendship between the various countries, regardless of what the formal relationship is or will be. and by that standard it was and continues to be a success, despite the pages and pages of the twitter screen shots and non sequitors on this thread saying it was a terrible trip.

It was a terrible tour. So much so that the Queen’s Press Secretary took over in the last 24 hours. Embarrassing.

This stress from this shit show is going to kill the queen.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

its quite clear that these visits were coordinated between the governments. the alternative is that will and kate decided they wanted to pop in on the caribbean and somehow magically all the military receptions, head of state appearances and social events just magically happened. there were something like 100 protesters in Jamaica and around 10,000 people there to welcome them. while the jamaica trip had its problematic moments, it was a success overall. I think the point of these visits is to highlight and reinforce the friendship between the various countries, regardless of what the formal relationship is or will be. and by that standard it was and continues to be a success, despite the pages and pages of the twitter screen shots and non sequitors on this thread saying it was a terrible trip.

It was a terrible tour. So much so that the Queen’s Press Secretary took over in the last 24 hours. Embarrassing.

This stress from this shit show is going to kill the queen.

and you and the other harpies on this thread can celebrate just like you did when prince phillip died.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

its quite clear that these visits were coordinated between the governments. the alternative is that will and kate decided they wanted to pop in on the caribbean and somehow magically all the military receptions, head of state appearances and social events just magically happened. there were something like 100 protesters in Jamaica and around 10,000 people there to welcome them. while the jamaica trip had its problematic moments, it was a success overall. I think the point of these visits is to highlight and reinforce the friendship between the various countries, regardless of what the formal relationship is or will be. and by that standard it was and continues to be a success, despite the pages and pages of the twitter screen shots and non sequitors on this thread saying it was a terrible trip.

It was a terrible tour. So much so that the Queen’s Press Secretary took over in the last 24 hours. Embarrassing.

This stress from this shit show is going to kill the queen.

and you and the other harpies on this thread can celebrate just like you did when prince phillip died.

+1. So predictable.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

its quite clear that these visits were coordinated between the governments. the alternative is that will and kate decided they wanted to pop in on the caribbean and somehow magically all the military receptions, head of state appearances and social events just magically happened. there were something like 100 protesters in Jamaica and around 10,000 people there to welcome them. while the jamaica trip had its problematic moments, it was a success overall. I think the point of these visits is to highlight and reinforce the friendship between the various countries, regardless of what the formal relationship is or will be. and by that standard it was and continues to be a success, despite the pages and pages of the twitter screen shots and non sequitors on this thread saying it was a terrible trip.

It was a terrible tour. So much so that the Queen’s Press Secretary took over in the last 24 hours. Embarrassing.

This stress from this shit show is going to kill the queen.

and you and the other harpies on this thread can celebrate just like you did when prince phillip died.

^Loud and wrong.

Are you the dummy who asked Jeff if all the W&K haters are all the same person?

You’re pathetic, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:The other funny thing is both Kate and William specifically hired former experienced diplomats for their staff. Two of Kate's top officials were U.K. diplomats.

So whose fault is it? The former diplomats or the leadership?

Key among them are Kate's right-hand women: private secretary Hannah Cockburn-Logie OBE, a former diplomat who joined the Cambridges' team in 2020, and assistant private secretary Natalie Barrows, who has worked for the Royal Family for five years.

The have experienced people on their staff? And all this mess still happened? Wow.

This isn’t in their staff, FFS. It’s the hosts - all they had to do was either decline or be courteous and welcoming. Bahamas seems to understand this very basic element of diplomacy. Barbados too (they’re not part of this tour but have been very welcoming despite withdrawing from the commonwealth). Jamaica could have declined the visit. Instead they used it to disparage their guests; two people who had nothing to do with slavery or colonialism and seemed genuinely intent on making a connection with the Jamaican people. Instead their haters used two second clips and bad pictures of Kate to tear them down. Gross.

Multiple people — I guess — throughout this thread have asserted that:1) the host countries invited the BRF to visit and 2) that the hosts could have declined the visit. No one has provided anything that supports either of these assertions. Such posters then take their suppositions and run with them. Does anybody really know how these visits actually get arranged?


Yes, I get that most people don’t care about details like this, but it’s frustrating all the way around to read paragraphs about someone’s righteous rage regarding the way the visits played out, when really, said rage seems to be based on little beyond their own assumptions.

My own assumptions are that the BRF instigated and arranged all of this; Both because the countries that were visited are in close proximity to each other and because additional BRF visits are planned to Caribbean countries soon in celebration of the Queen’s Jubilee. It’s difficult for me to imagine that multiple countries — each strapped for cash and dealing with the aftermaths of COVID, some of them already planning to formally pull back from the BRF — would have coordinated to invite these expensive, time consuming visits. It’s also difficult for me to imagine that any of these countries, under their current circumstances and form of government really could decline a visit from representatives of the Queen. These are my assumptions though, and I’d welcome input from someone who actually knows how these sorts of things work.

its quite clear that these visits were coordinated between the governments. the alternative is that will and kate decided they wanted to pop in on the caribbean and somehow magically all the military receptions, head of state appearances and social events just magically happened. there were something like 100 protesters in Jamaica and around 10,000 people there to welcome them. while the jamaica trip had its problematic moments, it was a success overall. I think the point of these visits is to highlight and reinforce the friendship between the various countries, regardless of what the formal relationship is or will be. and by that standard it was and continues to be a success, despite the pages and pages of the twitter screen shots and non sequitors on this thread saying it was a terrible trip.

It was a terrible tour. So much so that the Queen’s Press Secretary took over in the last 24 hours. Embarrassing.

What does this mean? Link?