DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV pickups from the Mclean 04 team are not better than the kids they cut. Take that to the bank....and no, I'm not the parent or even a friend.

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Then that is great news for Loudoun ECNL, as they picked up 4 out of the 5 that left FCV.

I dislike Loudoun...but yes..very good pickups.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

The two that played up all year are decent 04s and are DA quality, but they played up because of the high injury rate and lower initial talent pool in that age group. They wouldn’t have played up if the 03 age group had not had ECNL girls that were offered spots back out, leaving the 03 age group rather thin in both quality and quantity. As with the 04 WS group, there were 03s that were not offered DA spots, and both age groups will be upgraded this year. So whatever the current level, next year will be more competitive. The U17 age group is as large as the U14 age group, so play up opportunities for talented 03s were far fewer by sheer numbers. In fact, a number of U17s played up just like the U14s didn’t accommodations date roster needs, a thin U19 age group, and give everyone playing time.

Some of that post isn’t entirely inaccurate on what the 04 team will be, but not exclusively. There are 04s that are DA quality without a doubt, but no YNT studs or anything like that. I’m not sure if that 07 should really play 04 or be with the 05s but she is the first genuine high level younger talent WS has and will could be YNT one day, if she continues on the same trajectory. She isn’t there just to backfill the roster. She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up.
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"She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up." Have you been out watching her practice with the WS 04s all year? There is no doubt that she is incredibly talented for her age, and even an age up, but schooling WS 04s is a complete stretch. She does well and holds her own in drills, but when it comes scrimmage time she is a non factor, as if she is not even on the field. Not sure how she is going to offer much on the big field come game day, other DAs are not going to cut her any slack and she runs the risk of injury. I hope for her sake it does not happen, but remember she is 11 and will be playing with 14/15 year old young women who would gladly push her to the ground and run by her.

Jealous 04 parent?

Yes, she schools them if it’s head to had on technique. I agree on size which is why I made the comment about maybe she should be with the 05s.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

Confirmed, no speculation here (07 announcement was all over twitter, has since been removed). WS let no one go, they just moved some to the 03/04 EDP team. The 04s that were playing up are coming back down to age, not really a pickup more so just a move. As for Loudoun kids, they chose to leave WS, had DA offers but chose Loudoun ECNL over WS.

#1. Not true with all the Loudoun kids getting DA offers.
#2. The two play ups are pickups because they didn't play with the team last year so they didn't have an impact on the 04 squad.
#3. The 07 is a good player. Although, they will get her hurt for the sake of stroking ego's. Dumb move.A lot of adults to blame if something happens.
#4. Half of roster was let go with option of EDP.
#5. Two FCV Elite 04 pickups.
#6. ECNL 05's periodically practicing with the 04's. Know for fact that one was offered an 05 spot. Think people are speculating on this one.

Outside of that..I have no clue.

#1. Not true with all the Loudoun kids getting DA offers.

Yes, very true that all had DA offers just like everyone else that got the generic DA offer.

#2. The two play ups are pickups because they didn't play with the team last year so they didn't have an impact on the 04 squad.

Wrong, they both played multiple games with the 04s, just review the game sheets here - http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300 (4 games and 5 games)

#3. The 07 is a good player. Although, they will get her hurt for the sake of stroking ego's. Dumb move.A lot of adults to blame if something happens.

Agree with you 100% here, I truly hope she does not get hurt.

#4. Half of roster was let go with option of EDP.

Again, no one was let go, WS had a "home" for all their players. Those that are EDP got an offer specifically for the EDP, 7-9 so not exactly half.

#5. Two FCV Elite 04 pickups.

Correct, and neither are starters and one was dual rostered with their premier team.

#6. ECNL 05's periodically practicing with the 04's. Know for fact that one was offered an 05 spot. Think people are speculating on this one.

No offer from WS stated what age group specifically you would be playing for. Chances are likely that one will play with 05, but will see 04 playing time too.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV pickups from the Mclean 04 team are not better than the kids they cut. Take that to the bank....and no, I'm not the parent or even a friend.

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Ha! Sure you're not a bitter parent.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV pickups from the Mclean 04 team are not better than the kids they cut. Take that to the bank....and no, I'm not the parent or even a friend.

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Ha! Sure you're not a bitter parent.

Actually the OP is correct. FCV is a washing machine in the way it’s just the rotates players on and off its rosters.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

The two that played up all year are decent 04s and are DA quality, but they played up because of the high injury rate and lower initial talent pool in that age group. They wouldn’t have played up if the 03 age group had not had ECNL girls that were offered spots back out, leaving the 03 age group rather thin in both quality and quantity. As with the 04 WS group, there were 03s that were not offered DA spots, and both age groups will be upgraded this year. So whatever the current level, next year will be more competitive. The U17 age group is as large as the U14 age group, so play up opportunities for talented 03s were far fewer by sheer numbers. In fact, a number of U17s played up just like the U14s didn’t accommodations date roster needs, a thin U19 age group, and give everyone playing time.

Some of that post isn’t entirely inaccurate on what the 04 team will be, but not exclusively. There are 04s that are DA quality without a doubt, but no YNT studs or anything like that. I’m not sure if that 07 should really play 04 or be with the 05s but she is the first genuine high level younger talent WS has and will could be YNT one day, if she continues on the same trajectory. She isn’t there just to backfill the roster. She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up.
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"She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up." Have you been out watching her practice with the WS 04s all year? There is no doubt that she is incredibly talented for her age, and even an age up, but schooling WS 04s is a complete stretch. She does well and holds her own in drills, but when it comes scrimmage time she is a non factor, as if she is not even on the field. Not sure how she is going to offer much on the big field come game day, other DAs are not going to cut her any slack and she runs the risk of injury. I hope for her sake it does not happen, but remember she is 11 and will be playing with 14/15 year old young women who would gladly push her to the ground and run by her.

+1 the hype gets old. It's hype.

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Anonymous wrote:Consistently? No, I’m not there during her practices, but I’ve seen enough. As I said, I’m not sure if she belongs with the 04s or 05s because of size and age, but as far as technique, yes, she schools them. They may outrun her; they may muscle her off the ball, but if it co es down to technique, she wins.

However, I’m not confident she will meet the same success against an 04 FCV team or a Penn Fusion, so again, I have doubts that she shouldn’t be with the 05s because eventually, size matters.

That's a broad brush your holding there. Same BS evaluation that will get this child hurt. THREE YEARS PLAYUP IS TOO MUCH FOR A YOUNG CHILD!

13 and 14 year old girls have hit puberty. Most 11 year olds have not! What's the rush? For F@ck Sakes!

Yes, she's a good player. So the F what. It means nothing if she sitting on the sidelines injured.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

The two that played up all year are decent 04s and are DA quality, but they played up because of the high injury rate and lower initial talent pool in that age group. They wouldn’t have played up if the 03 age group had not had ECNL girls that were offered spots back out, leaving the 03 age group rather thin in both quality and quantity. As with the 04 WS group, there were 03s that were not offered DA spots, and both age groups will be upgraded this year. So whatever the current level, next year will be more competitive. The U17 age group is as large as the U14 age group, so play up opportunities for talented 03s were far fewer by sheer numbers. In fact, a number of U17s played up just like the U14s didn’t accommodations date roster needs, a thin U19 age group, and give everyone playing time.

Some of that post isn’t entirely inaccurate on what the 04 team will be, but not exclusively. There are 04s that are DA quality without a doubt, but no YNT studs or anything like that. I’m not sure if that 07 should really play 04 or be with the 05s but she is the first genuine high level younger talent WS has and will could be YNT one day, if she continues on the same trajectory. She isn’t there just to backfill the roster. She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up.
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"She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up." Have you been out watching her practice with the WS 04s all year? There is no doubt that she is incredibly talented for her age, and even an age up, but schooling WS 04s is a complete stretch. She does well and holds her own in drills, but when it comes scrimmage time she is a non factor, as if she is not even on the field. Not sure how she is going to offer much on the big field come game day, other DAs are not going to cut her any slack and she runs the risk of injury. I hope for her sake it does not happen, but remember she is 11 and will be playing with 14/15 year old young women who would gladly push her to the ground and run by her.

Jealous 04 parent?

Yes, she schools them if it’s head to had on technique. I agree on size which is why I made the comment about maybe she should be with the 05s.

Nope, not jealous at all, just know what I am talking about. Schools them in head to head on technique? Not sure what practices you were watching, but I never saw her school anyone on a regular basis. Like I said, in drills she does well, in game time situations (scrimmages) she becomes far less of a factor, and frankly game time is the only time that it truly matters. She is a good player, don't get me wrong, but playing with the 04s she is out of her league, think 05 would be better to start and then if she outgrows that move her up.

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I agree with you that she shouldn't play 3 years up, because of size and the risk of injury, but I will stand my ground on her exceptional level of technique.

[Anonymous]

And yes, she schools them on technique. Consistently and repeatedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you that she shouldn't play 3 years up, because of size and the risk of injury, but I will stand my ground on her exceptional level of technique.

Sounds like we agree on both points. She is a talent for sure, and I just hope that what has made her a standout and a special talent does not get beaten out of her by playing up 3 years.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV pickups from the Mclean 04 team are not better than the kids they cut. Take that to the bank....and no, I'm not the parent or even a friend.

Political appointees

Ha! Sure you're not a bitter parent.

Actually the OP is correct. FCV is a washing machine in the way it’s just the rotates players on and off its rosters.

And I think the responding poster is correct too...this is a bitter parent talking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The FCV pickups from the Mclean 04 team are not better than the kids they cut. Take that to the bank....and no, I'm not the parent or even a friend.

Political appointees

Ha! Sure you're not a bitter parent.

Actually the OP is correct. FCV is a washing machine in the way it’s just the rotates players on and off its rosters.

And I think the responding poster is correct too...this is a bitter parent talking.

Actually, I'm not. However, you defiantly took offense to it. So, who is bitter?

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, she schools them on technique. Consistently and repeatedly.

Not trying to be funny but lets all be honest. That's exactly not a tall bar to clear. We aren't talking TopHat here.

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As I said, I'm not going to waste time on some jealous 04 parents, so peace and love. My silence to the barking mutt above isn't my consent. Just not worth my time.