DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The stars were aligned. FCV 04 was lucky to be the only real option in 2017-18. This time last year had the former head coach for Princeton Soccer as their TD! Everyone went there. WS was just getting started and no ECNL at Loudoun on the FCV backdoor.

Wow what changes in one year. Shackford now gone with her DD to W&M. FCV keeps up the arrogance and alienation. Interest in the FCV program plummets.

The 04 girls are the last strong year for the program. Each year after gets weaker. Downhill from here.

Watch.

FCV DA 05 is already made...and they're strong. So, pick another year.

[Anonymous]

Alot of the player movement would have just been noise any other year, as every year teams generally lose a couple and gain a couple for various reasons. Chemistry and coaching can make up alot of ground in some cases, so it's very hard to predict a team's strength from year to year.

Moreover, most of the discussion about strength of teams is of far more importance to the parents than it is to players. It is the development environment and fun factor that the players want, and that 'should' be the reason players move clubs, not to win, or to get the NWSL uniform. In our area, the strength of the team is not necessarily a good indicator of the club's potential to develop your daughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

why do you continually compare Arlington 04 to FCV 04 DA. They would destroy them. Get a grip.

who would destroy who?

FCV would destroy Arlington.

Arlington people need to get a grip with the comparisons. Haven't even played in an elite league yet and already saying how strong they are.

Arlington 04 tied PDA's third team. The same third time that go beat by Mclean ECNL 04.

FCV beat PDA's first team. Who would destroy PDA's third team.

So, lets go easy on the chest beating. This isn't VA State Cup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The stars were aligned. FCV 04 was lucky to be the only real option in 2017-18. This time last year had the former head coach for Princeton Soccer as their TD! Everyone went there. WS was just getting started and no ECNL at Loudoun on the FCV backdoor.

Wow what changes in one year. Shackford now gone with her DD to W&M. FCV keeps up the arrogance and alienation. Interest in the FCV program plummets.

The 04 girls are the last strong year for the program. Each year after gets weaker. Downhill from here.

Watch.

FCV DA 05 is already made...and they're strong. So, pick another year.

Pay attention to the younger teams. It's collapsing. The 07s are weak and need 08 play ups. Less than 2 teams of players (22-23 kids and some are leaving). By 08 and 09 your club cannot even field a full team this year. It's over.

[Anonymous]

The FCV pickups from the Mclean 04 team are not better than the kids they cut. Take that to the bank....and no, I'm not the parent or even a friend.

Political appointees

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

Confirmed, no speculation here (07 announcement was all over twitter, has since been removed). WS let no one go, they just moved some to the 03/04 EDP team. The 04s that were playing up are coming back down to age, not really a pickup more so just a move. As for Loudoun kids, they chose to leave WS, had DA offers but chose Loudoun ECNL over WS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The stars were aligned. FCV 04 was lucky to be the only real option in 2017-18. This time last year had the former head coach for Princeton Soccer as their TD! Everyone went there. WS was just getting started and no ECNL at Loudoun on the FCV backdoor.

Wow what changes in one year. Shackford now gone with her DD to W&M. FCV keeps up the arrogance and alienation. Interest in the FCV program plummets.

The 04 girls are the last strong year for the program. Each year after gets weaker. Downhill from here.

Watch.

FCV DA 05 is already made...and they're strong. So, pick another year.

Pay attention to the younger teams. It's collapsing. The 07s are weak and need 08 play ups. Less than 2 teams of players (22-23 kids and some are leaving). By 08 and 09 your club cannot even field a full team this year. It's over.

07's and 08's are little kids. Who cares? Top program draws the top talent from a large area. Teams will look nothing like current teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The FCV pickups from the Mclean 04 team are not better than the kids they cut. Take that to the bank....and no, I'm not the parent or even a friend.

Political appointees

Then that is great news for Loudoun ECNL, as they picked up 4 out of the 5 that left FCV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

The two that played up all year are decent 04s and are DA quality, but they played up because of the high injury rate and lower initial talent pool in that age group. They wouldn’t have played up if the 03 age group had not had ECNL girls that were offered spots back out, leaving the 03 age group rather thin in both quality and quantity. As with the 04 WS group, there were 03s that were not offered DA spots, and both age groups will be upgraded this year. So whatever the current level, next year will be more competitive. The U17 age group is as large as the U14 age group, so play up opportunities for talented 03s were far fewer by sheer numbers. In fact, a number of U17s played up just like the U14s didn’t accommodations date roster needs, a thin U19 age group, and give everyone playing time.

Some of that post isn’t entirely inaccurate on what the 04 team will be, but not exclusively. There are 04s that are DA quality without a doubt, but no YNT studs or anything like that. I’m not sure if that 07 should really play 04 or be with the 05s but she is the first genuine high level younger talent WS has and will could be YNT one day, if she continues on the same trajectory. She isn’t there just to backfill the roster. She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The stars were aligned. FCV 04 was lucky to be the only real option in 2017-18. This time last year had the former head coach for Princeton Soccer as their TD! Everyone went there. WS was just getting started and no ECNL at Loudoun on the FCV backdoor.

Wow what changes in one year. Shackford now gone with her DD to W&M. FCV keeps up the arrogance and alienation. Interest in the FCV program plummets.

The 04 girls are the last strong year for the program. Each year after gets weaker. Downhill from here.

Watch.

FCV DA 05 is already made...and they're strong. So, pick another year.

Pay attention to the younger teams. It's collapsing. The 07s are weak and need 08 play ups. Less than 2 teams of players (22-23 kids and some are leaving). By 08 and 09 your club cannot even field a full team this year. It's over.

07's and 08's are little kids. Who cares? Top program draws the top talent from a large area. Teams will look nothing like current teams.

If you think it does not matter that your program can't field U10 and U9 teams than you don't understand the economics. Dax, Gus and the rest of the good time bunch will be gone if Christian can't pay them. The U-littles pay 1/2 their salaries. Gus will be the first out of there. If your DD is an 04 she will not finish her career at a program called FCV.

[Anonymous]

^ my phone hates me. It should say; the U14s did to accommodate roster needs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

The two that played up all year are decent 04s and are DA quality, but they played up because of the high injury rate and lower initial talent pool in that age group. They wouldn’t have played up if the 03 age group had not had ECNL girls that were offered spots back out, leaving the 03 age group rather thin in both quality and quantity. As with the 04 WS group, there were 03s that were not offered DA spots, and both age groups will be upgraded this year. So whatever the current level, next year will be more competitive. The U17 age group is as large as the U14 age group, so play up opportunities for talented 03s were far fewer by sheer numbers. In fact, a number of U17s played up just like the U14s didn’t accommodations date roster needs, a thin U19 age group, and give everyone playing time.

Some of that post isn’t entirely inaccurate on what the 04 team will be, but not exclusively. There are 04s that are DA quality without a doubt, but no YNT studs or anything like that. I’m not sure if that 07 should really play 04 or be with the 05s but she is the first genuine high level younger talent WS has and will could be YNT one day, if she continues on the same trajectory. She isn’t there just to backfill the roster. She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up.
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"She’s there because she can school the WS 04s and because she belongs playing up." Have you been out watching her practice with the WS 04s all year? There is no doubt that she is incredibly talented for her age, and even an age up, but schooling WS 04s is a complete stretch. She does well and holds her own in drills, but when it comes scrimmage time she is a non factor, as if she is not even on the field. Not sure how she is going to offer much on the big field come game day, other DAs are not going to cut her any slack and she runs the risk of injury. I hope for her sake it does not happen, but remember she is 11 and will be playing with 14/15 year old young women who would gladly push her to the ground and run by her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL may become second tier 05 and younger; that will depend on what the upcoming years look like. In the end, the GDA will take over the top talent, but for existing teams - 04 and up - there hasn't been consistent player movement demonstrating that ECNL is now de facto second tier.

There have been ECNL girls 04 and up offered DA and declined, as well as DA girls who could have stayed DA and left for the ECNL.

I cannot agree on the 04 age group at all. ECNL is VDA, MCLEAN, BRYC and Loudoun. GDA is WS, FCV and Arlington. In the 04 age group, FCV and Arlington are clearly stronger than all the ECNL teams right now and they are both adding strong players. WS is adding A LOT of players and we will have to see what happens there. But all 4 ECNL teams have net losses at the top of the starting lineups. I just don't see how in the 04 age group the ECNL is at par with GDA in this area. 03 and older is a different story but I suspect GDA will continue to strengthen while ECNL weakens. And don't forget we now have a third national footprint option - EDP's move to USYS. This affects ECNL more than GDA.

FCV is by far the strongest at the 04 age group in VA, and adding two of the stronger McLean 04 ECNL players is only going to make them stronger. Aside from that, I think the jury is out on the rest of the GDA/ECNL teams in VA. ARL 04 Red is strong, and presumably that will make up the lion share of their U15 GDA team in the fall, although rumor has it that several of the players on the current 04 team were not offered spots on GDA and as a result several that were are opting to stay with their Red team mates. They are loosing a GK to Loudoun, so not sure where their strong additions are coming from? WS has lost 4 players that had DA offers but opted for various ECNL clubs in VA, so they will need to more than make up for those loses, not sure adding an 07, various 05s and NPL players from FCV are going to make them that much stronger, but again time will tell. As for the ECNL clubs, McLean will definitely suffer from their two loses, BRYC lost one that I know of to WS and Loudoun has picked up 3 WS players along with 4 FCV (I know what everyone will say - they were cut from FCV, but if we all agree that FCV is by far the strongest then even their cast offs are better than some at WS, BRYC and McLean).

WS backfilled their 04 ranks with and 07, 05's and FCV NPL kids? Confirmed or speculation? Sounds like speculation.

From what I heard, WS 04 let almost half their roster go...with a couple of Loudoun kids "choosing" to play Loudoun ECNL.

Heard two good 04 kids are coming back to age who were playing with WS 03's all year (so that alone is 2 pickups for the 04's).

Confirmed, no speculation here (07 announcement was all over twitter, has since been removed). WS let no one go, they just moved some to the 03/04 EDP team. The 04s that were playing up are coming back down to age, not really a pickup more so just a move. As for Loudoun kids, they chose to leave WS, had DA offers but chose Loudoun ECNL over WS.

#1. Not true with all the Loudoun kids getting DA offers.
#2. The two play ups are pickups because they didn't play with the team last year so they didn't have an impact on the 04 squad.
#3. The 07 is a good player. Although, they will get her hurt for the sake of stroking ego's. Dumb move.A lot of adults to blame if something happens.
#4. Half of roster was let go with option of EDP.
#5. Two FCV Elite 04 pickups.
#6. ECNL 05's periodically practicing with the 04's. Know for fact that one was offered an 05 spot. Think people are speculating on this one.

Outside of that..I have no clue.

[Anonymous]

Consistently? No, I’m not there during her practices, but I’ve seen enough. As I said, I’m not sure if she belongs with the 04s or 05s because of size and age, but as far as technique, yes, she schools them. They may outrun her; they may muscle her off the ball, but if it co es down to technique, she wins.

However, I’m not confident she will meet the same success against an 04 FCV team or a Penn Fusion, so again, I have doubts that she shouldn’t be with the 05s because eventually, size matters.