Consolidated VA Elections Thread

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Anonymous wrote:So, so happy this morning, for the people of Virginia and all of us as Americans.

We are back.

Biden and Kamala are toast. That is the real story now.

And make no mistake about it: This was a Culture Wars win. This election was about CRT. Next up is the trans agenda in our public schools. Yes, we're coming for you too. Enough is Enough.

Well, at least one person is willing to say it out loud.

Oh, just wait. You haven't seen anything yet. We are taking our country back from the radical crazies. Stand back!

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Anonymous wrote:Dems: “We are tolerant, kind people. So anyway, like I was saying..Republicans are gutter trash.”

And this whole thread illustrates that. And when called on it - more name calling. It’s pretty funny.

Agree. Behave like gutter trash- expect to be called out as such. There are reasons those things are said.

Face it. You put up a shitty candidate, and not enough people voted for him. That doesn’t make the people who voted for the other side “gutter trash.”

Face it. Most of the Youngkin votes were from uneducated whites.

You mad you lost because you didn't have enough uneducated blacks? LOL.

Youngkin Baby!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if someone said the same things about Latinos and African Americans without college degrees that Democrats are saying about "uneducated whites?"

Like what? I have no problem calling out anyone who casts a vote based on racist scare tactics, even if they’re not white.

Calling them stupid, gutter trash, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Love the diversity of the Republican ticket. Looks like America.

Amen! +1000

I thought Republicans were opposed to identity politics. That it should be about the policies, not the skin color.

It is about the policies! And beliefs! And look how those appeal to such a diverse group. It’s awesome.

What beliefs of theirs appeal to you?

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Anonymous wrote:Dems: “We are tolerant, kind people. So anyway, like I was saying..Republicans are gutter trash.”

I won’t vote to harm you. I won’t try to force you into a closet away from society. That doesn’t mean I have to like you or that I won’t call you out on your shitty behavior.

Voting for someone you don't like is not shitty behavior.

Why did you vote for that person? Still haven’t heard an explanation.

You won’t get one. You’re just looking for an excuse for more name calling, no matter how thoughtful the posters response would be. It’s not worth anyone’s time.

Not at all. I’m legit trying to understand. Because right now it looks like most people voted for Youngkin for misinformed, irrational reasons. Please prove me wrong.

DP. Right because calling all Youngkin voters irrational and misinformed isn’t name calling. Get over yourself, the sanctimonious look is partially what got Dems in trouble.

I’m talking about your reasons for voting, not you.

Would you describe your reasons for voting for Youngkin informed and rational?

DP. Of course pp will claim their reasons were informed and rational. They wont’t explain what those reasons were because they wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny, but they will claim the reasons were informed and rational.

You realize that plenty of people on this thread have given their reasons for supporting/voting for Youngkin, and because you don’t happen to agree with them you get on your high horse and claim that they are unintelligent, misinformed, or irrational. There are many moderates and independents that would like to move on from the Trump wars and are basing their decisions on the issues that are important to them, not whether or not a candidate passed the Trump litmus test.

Only a few people have shared their reasoning.

What were your reasons?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it done? This is so awful. I don’t even live in VA anymore, but I am devastated. What the F is wrong with our country??

You don’t want to live in VA or the USA?

Not PP, but I thought Va was smarter than this. You learn something everyday.

Your opinion.

Well we have different definitions of smart

A majority of people in a state having different opinions does not make them less intelligent than you. I’m sure it easier for you to believe you are superior.

This. And yet, when called on it, they double down. Talk about sad.

If you don’t want us to think you’re dumb then stop pretending and just come out and tell us that “different opinion”.

Which is it?
You like status quo because you are doing ok. Screw everyone else.
You are ok with systemic racism. It doesn’t hurt you so it’s ok.
You don’t want to break the cycle of poverty.
You think people are struggling because of moral failings.
You think some races are inherently better than others.
You want to restrict elections to make it different for some people to vote.
You don’t like LGBTQ+.
You do want to ban abortions.
You want to force your religious beliefs on everyone else.

Could be more than one. Or all?

Check, check, check. Straight down the list of Dem talking points. There is one party that seeks to segregate people into their little boxes and one party who has talked about poverty but done actually done nothing about it and it ain't the Rs. As for your #1, see above smug elitist posts.

So share this “different opinion” that you have. What informed, rational opinion led you to vote for Youngkin?

Show us how you weren’t manipulated.

I don't have to explain myself to you, but if you want to know what drove a lot of people to vote for Younkin, reread this post as well as the smug little nitwits' posts above who think they are superior people to the "uneducated."

This should be easy for you to prove me wrong.

What is this “different opinion” of yours? This well-informed, rational opinion.

You will never get an explanation. Half of them don’t really understand why they voted that way, and the other half who do won’t say it allowed.

I voted for the Democratic mayor in Alexandria because he did a good job managing the vaccine rollout, emergency services are good, and trash collection is good. That’s all I need from the City

I voted for Youngkin, because the world has and is changing as we work our way through the pandemic. Youngkin’s proposals are more forward thinking than the iDemocratic proposals that proved ineffective in the before times.

I voted for Biden because he had a decent career in the Senate and was a decent Vice President. However, he is proving to be a weak one term
President. Once he goes, I suspect there will be a shift in national politics to the center right as people will know by then the realities of the post pandemic world. They will understand that practicalities, not platitudes, can solve problems at all levels.

+1 but I voted R locally to try to add some balance to Alexandria's city council and school board.

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I said it once before, I’ll say it again - Youngkin won because people can’t afford to feed and care for themselves or their families thanks to the crazy inflation, high gas prices and food shortages.

While the party feuds over its vast social spending agenda, Republicans are highlighting issues that preoccupy voters more immediately, like a sluggish economy, high gas prices, expensive groceries, crime rates and concerns about the rights of parents to influence what is taught in schools. Those concerns in many cases have been exacerbated by a prolonged pandemic, which President Joe Biden declared all but over in July but that spiked over the summer in a new blow to an exhausted nation's morale.

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“I said it once before, I’ll say it again - Youngkin won because people can’t afford to feed and care for themselves or their families thanks to the crazy inflation, high gas prices and food shortages.”

And what did Youngkin say he would do about these things?

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

+1 the “CRT” stuff wasn’t important to NoVa voters (it was just a bone for the R base in the rest of the state), but the closures and the perception that the curriculum was being “dumbed down” by the Democrats in the state DoE WAS important here. All it takes is a few percentage points of people who usually vote D switching to the other side.

And no, NoVa schools didn’t open at the same time as other schools. Anyone with functioning eyes and access to social media could have seen that. The closures killed Democrats and people took out their frustrations on the first election they could.

You may want to check your perceptions.

Here are facts:

From: https://info.burbio.com

January 4, 2021
% US K-12 students attending "virtual-only" schools = 53.4% (from 50.8% last week)

February 1, 2021 - The week that APS sent kids in career/CTE back to classroom:
% US K-12 students attending "virtual-only" schools = 38.2% (from 42% last week)

March 1, 2021 - The week that APS sent SN and K-2 back to classroom:
% US K-12 students attending "virtual-only" schools = 27.5% (from 31.1% last week)

etc.

Our schools were NOT an outlier and started send kids back to the classroom around the same time as MANY other school systems.

So we “started” sending a few kids back part time hybrid later than about 60-75% of all districts and that’s … a good thing? We were in the bottom 25-40%. That’s not great and I would also argue that it’s stretching the definition of “the same time as other districts.”

The closures hurt Democrats. There’s no two ways about it. Pro-closure people can rationalize all they want but it’s just denial.

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Anonymous wrote:I said it once before, I’ll say it again - Youngkin won because people can’t afford to feed and care for themselves or their families thanks to the crazy inflation, high gas prices and food shortages.

While the party feuds over its vast social spending agenda, Republicans are highlighting issues that preoccupy voters more immediately, like a sluggish economy, high gas prices, expensive groceries, crime rates and concerns about the rights of parents to influence what is taught in schools. Those concerns in many cases have been exacerbated by a prolonged pandemic, which President Joe Biden declared all but over in July but that spiked over the summer in a new blow to an exhausted nation's morale.

But they voted for someone who doesn’t support any policies likely to change these things. That’s the foolish part.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems: “We are tolerant, kind people. So anyway, like I was saying..Republicans are gutter trash.”

I won’t vote to harm you. I won’t try to force you into a closet away from society. That doesn’t mean I have to like you or that I won’t call you out on your shitty behavior.

Voting for someone you don't like is not shitty behavior.

Why did you vote for that person? Still haven’t heard an explanation.

You won’t get one. You’re just looking for an excuse for more name calling, no matter how thoughtful the posters response would be. It’s not worth anyone’s time.

Not at all. I’m legit trying to understand. Because right now it looks like most people voted for Youngkin for misinformed, irrational reasons. Please prove me wrong.

DP. Right because calling all Youngkin voters irrational and misinformed isn’t name calling. Get over yourself, the sanctimonious look is partially what got Dems in trouble.

I’m talking about your reasons for voting, not you.

Would you describe your reasons for voting for Youngkin informed and rational?

Lol, your reasons are irrational and misinformed but you aren’t 🙄 You realize what BS that is right?

We don’t know you. You may make rational, informed decisions in other areas of your life. But we aren’t talking about you and all of your various life decisions. Just why you voted for Y.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so happy this morning, for the people of Virginia and all of us as Americans.

We are back.

Biden and Kamala are toast. That is the real story now.

And make no mistake about it: This was a Culture Wars win. This election was about CRT. Next up is the trans agenda in our public schools. Yes, we're coming for you too. Enough is Enough.

Well, at least one person is willing to say it out loud.

We should all say this aloud. I vote Dem and we are losing because of our smug take on the culture war.

We won on LGBT rights with same sex marriage and anti discrimination laws, but then waaaaay too far with the neopronouns, XY people in womens sports, “men will never take advantage of new bathroom laws!” crap.

BLM galvanized the country and opened even my very conservative family’s eyes, but then no one was able to turn this into any actual change for the better and instead Dems just focus on shaming white “Karens” with no goal in sight.

Dems have been saying “follow the science” on vaccines, but then go overboard with school closures when the science says the risk of the virus to children is minuscule.

People want affordable healthcare, parental leave, and good infrastructure, but instead all the Dems offer is endless cultural shaming because talk is cheap and legislation is hard. You’re handing the country to the GOP on a platter. (They don’t have any brilliant solutions either, but the Dems are being so annoying no one even blames them for that.)

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

+1 the “CRT” stuff wasn’t important to NoVa voters (it was just a bone for the R base in the rest of the state), but the closures and the perception that the curriculum was being “dumbed down” by the Democrats in the state DoE WAS important here. All it takes is a few percentage points of people who usually vote D switching to the other side.

And no, NoVa schools didn’t open at the same time as other schools. Anyone with functioning eyes and access to social media could have seen that. The closures killed Democrats and people took out their frustrations on the first election they could.

Yes, to this. I think it was much more bread-n-butter educational issues that motivated (or didn't motivate) NoVa voters. And Terry had to win big there. And now Democrats are going to respond to those concerns by calling everyone uneducated Karens, which wrong or right, is going to further drive the suburbs away. Ugh.

This. I know it’s next day bitterness, but the response that the swing voters who voted Youngkin are uneducated Karens is a terrible look. You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

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Anonymous wrote:I said it once before, I’ll say it again - Youngkin won because people can’t afford to feed and care for themselves or their families thanks to the crazy inflation, high gas prices and food shortages.

While the party feuds over its vast social spending agenda, Republicans are highlighting issues that preoccupy voters more immediately, like a sluggish economy, high gas prices, expensive groceries, crime rates and concerns about the rights of parents to influence what is taught in schools. Those concerns in many cases have been exacerbated by a prolonged pandemic, which President Joe Biden declared all but over in July but that spiked over the summer in a new blow to an exhausted nation's morale.

This sounds like people in Britain blaming Brexit for supply shortages. We're blaming Biden now for supply shortages when we should be happy to see real wage increases and inflation and instead of deflation, and the Great Resignation is signalling a real shift in our economy, our culture, which is needed.

I'm optimistic about economy right now. We really are changing what needs to be changed. Some of it is painful but we'll make it through to a better economy for Americans. I haven't heard many people saying this, instead there's complaints about gas prices and pointing fingers about ruining Christmas. Think longer term than just getting elected. Evaluate where we are and where our economy is going.

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

+1 the “CRT” stuff wasn’t important to NoVa voters (it was just a bone for the R base in the rest of the state), but the closures and the perception that the curriculum was being “dumbed down” by the Democrats in the state DoE WAS important here. All it takes is a few percentage points of people who usually vote D switching to the other side.

And no, NoVa schools didn’t open at the same time as other schools. Anyone with functioning eyes and access to social media could have seen that. The closures killed Democrats and people took out their frustrations on the first election they could.

You may want to check your perceptions.

Here are facts:

From: https://info.burbio.com

January 4, 2021
% US K-12 students attending "virtual-only" schools = 53.4% (from 50.8% last week)

February 1, 2021 - The week that APS sent kids in career/CTE back to classroom:
% US K-12 students attending "virtual-only" schools = 38.2% (from 42% last week)

March 1, 2021 - The week that APS sent SN and K-2 back to classroom:
% US K-12 students attending "virtual-only" schools = 27.5% (from 31.1% last week)

etc.

Our schools were NOT an outlier and started send kids back to the classroom around the same time as MANY other school systems.

So we “started” sending a few kids back part time hybrid later than about 60-75% of all districts and that’s … a good thing? We were in the bottom 25-40%. That’s not great and I would also argue that it’s stretching the definition of “the same time as other districts.”

The closures hurt Democrats. There’s no two ways about it. Pro-closure people can rationalize all they want but it’s just denial.

Clearly, closures hurt Ds. Even if it’s irrational.

But it’s misleading to act like our schools responded significantly differently than MANY other schools around the US.

It’s convenient to just compare against Florida but you are not telling the whole story. We weren’t outliers.