Wasn't it spring first and then summer? |
?? Having a huge tactical advantage while playing defense is not uniquely Russian. It's why Russia's initial offensive was so pitifully anemic. Their supposed "second best army in the world" failed to capture (or even enter) the capital of its neighbor, who at the time, hadn't been truly geared up by the West. But Russia isn't playing defense at home. They're playing defense in occupied territory and will have to be supplied, refreshed, replenished, etc. That's where they'll fail and ultimately repeat their awesome Kharkiv defense. Unless by defense, do you mean running away with looted toilets? |
So the funny part is that either way you slice it (pre-Stalin / post-Stalin), Ukraine existed as either a State or self-governing authority - unlike Russia. Moscow was ruled by and paid tribute to the Mongols for a few hundred years and was not the heart of the Russian Empire. Depending on the argument made, either Novogorod or Kiev is techncially the actual birthcity of the Rus empire. Post-Stalin, Stalin's holodomor murdered millions in and around Ukraine through starvation when USSR troops denied food to starving people; providing the ability for Russians to re-populate Crimea, among other locations. In other words, bad for Russian propaganda to reference maps. |
Maps won't lead you very far you know. Poland, Romania and Hungary may have a few things to say about that, wouldn't they? Is Ukraine on whatever map the same thing that exists today? Playing around with maps didn't do jack for Palestinians, for instance, or for Armenians who are currently content with a small rump state compared to what Greater Armenia once was. You look at Kievan Rus and you see the Kievan part, others may see the Rus part. Does it really matter? What has the past glory ever done for the Cherokees, for instance? Things....shift. And rarely voluntarily! I am continually amused by the effortless substitution of USSR/Russia when it works for people's arguments. Don't you think USSR troops included Ukrainians? I mean, for Stalin's crime, shouldn't you take it up with Georgia? Let alone an inconvenient fact that the famine killed nearly as many Kazakhs as it did Ukrainians yet Ukraine managed to make it all about themselves. |
LOL yet Ukraine still needs zillions bajillions dollars and ammo to fight the anemic offensive? I mean if the Russian army is as pitiful as you describe, why isn't Ukraine done with it? |
LOL I love how five years ago most people here couldn't find Ukraine on a map. And now it's like everyone is a Ukraine expert and a Sovietologist and god knows what else. |
You're going to have to elaborate on that for a bit. |
Do you describe Russia’s initial offensive as anything but anemic? How could they have possibly failed to capture Kyiv when this started? That’s when the West realized that the Russian military was a hollowed-out clown show and that it was worth arming the Ukrainians. How about their winter offensive? They rode Wagner’s prisoner meat shield strategy to take Bahkmut…anything else? It’s been a pathetic performance on their part overall. |
No, DUMBASS - the POINT is that Ukraine has been around and has existed for hundreds of years. Anything to the contrary is lies and propaganda. And, Ukraine will continue to exist. Stop arguing, stop whining, and just come to terms with it already |
If it was a real clown show, Ukraine would have had no difficulty driving it back in toto. Yet a huge chunk of the country is either captured or devastated, and millions of their demographic assets are missing. You cannot possibly deny they did tremendous damage to the adversary. You may disagree with manner in which they did it, but the harm caused to Ukraine is in plain view. I mean why are you fundraising to defeat this so-called clown show? Should be easy, no? |
LOL that's what they tell Israel all the time and see where it got them. |
If they had a legitimate military, they could have taken Kyiv, limited collateral damage, and established rule. But they’re clowns so you know…they couldn’t. |
They aren't even "playing defense" - the Ukrainian advance is accelerating, and the Russians keep losing territory. Ukraine has recaptured several towns in just the last few days alone. And, Russia faces an ever increasing number of strikes against military, intel and government targets well inside Russia's own borders, not just on key depots and bases deep inside territory they hold. |
That's just you making up rules about how you think wars ought to be fought. But there are a million ways to skin the cat. |
Haha, okay. They failed their military and political objectives and are now trying to hang onto their little land bridge (connecting up to an increasingly uninhabitable Crimea). Their military incompetence surprised the world, really. |