Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disclaimer: I do NOT condone the officer being so forceful with the girl. He was certainly wrong here. However.... Just out of curiosity...
It's been said many times in this thread that "I expect a teenager to act like this or that". When did we as a society (and parents) come to accept our children being disrespectful to any adult? I'm not that old but I remember growing up I was expected to behave and act a certain way, particularly in public. At what point did age become an acceptable excuse for an ill behaved child? When I was a 14 year old girl and stepped out of line, my parents started their famous lecture with 'You're 14, you should know better.'

Please don't take this as if I'm saying Black kids are disrespectful. White kids are as well. It seems to be with a lot youths these days. This is merely a legitimate question that I'm curious about. When did we, as parents become accepting of poor behavior?

I don't think that we, as parents, ARE accepting of poor behaviour. But teenagers have poorly developed impulse control. Biologically, they are bound to make bad decisions at one time or another, particularly under stress. So, the question we need to ask is whether the threat of deadly force, and the use of actual violent force, is a proportional response to "contempt of cop."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real sad thing is these kids do not seem like "Ghetto" kids-the ones who spoke sound well spoken and are likely from the area which is a middle class town. They are not "street thugs", and yet they still behave unlawfully and disrespectfully. This is not a race thing at this point, it is a cultural thing! Similarly in PG county, there is a ton of wealth, and a ton of middle class-yet the schools remain horrible and it is pretty much a crime ridden unsafe place. How does one explain that-is it a lack of regard for obeying laws, is the money obtained unlawfully, or is is just a class/not race thing?

stereotype much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disclaimer: I do NOT condone the officer being so forceful with the girl. He was certainly wrong here. However.... Just out of curiosity...
It's been said many times in this thread that "I expect a teenager to act like this or that". When did we as a society (and parents) come to accept our children being disrespectful to any adult? I'm not that old but I remember growing up I was expected to behave and act a certain way, particularly in public. At what point did age become an acceptable excuse for an ill behaved child? When I was a 14 year old girl and stepped out of line, my parents started their famous lecture with 'You're 14, you should know better.'

Please don't take this as if I'm saying Black kids are disrespectful. White kids are as well. It seems to be with a lot youths these days. This is merely a legitimate question that I'm curious about. When did we, as parents become accepting of poor behavior?

Because "black babies" (aka 12-19 year olds) can do no wrong, and if they do it's because of racism. Sort of like the reverse "affluenza" dfense. It is wrong and when these ill behaved kids grow up with a sense of entitlement and disregard for the law and the greater good of society, we are all in trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disclaimer: I do NOT condone the officer being so forceful with the girl. He was certainly wrong here. However.... Just out of curiosity...
It's been said many times in this thread that "I expect a teenager to act like this or that". When did we as a society (and parents) come to accept our children being disrespectful to any adult? I'm not that old but I remember growing up I was expected to behave and act a certain way, particularly in public. At what point did age become an acceptable excuse for an ill behaved child? When I was a 14 year old girl and stepped out of line, my parents started their famous lecture with 'You're 14, you should know better.'

Please don't take this as if I'm saying Black kids are disrespectful. White kids are as well. It seems to be with a lot youths these days. This is merely a legitimate question that I'm curious about. When did we, as parents become accepting of poor behavior?

If the officer hadn't barrel-rolled his way in, escalating the situation and demonstrating a complete inability to perform the public service for which we pay him, we could discuss this. Start a new thread if you want to debate the dawning of rowdy and disrespectful young teens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of your feelings about this, please, please teach your kids to obey the police immediately in such a situation in as non-threatening way as possible. Teach them to lay down on the ground and put their hands up where the cops can see it.

This could have become a tragedy. Please teach your kids to do everything to deescalate the situation.

I agree. While I didn't see the video, someone told me that he watched the whole video (not just the clip media is showing) and the bikini girl was fighting back with the officer, was kicking and resisting quite a bit. A second kid approached the officer who was trying to detain bikini girl with his hands up AS IF he was about to attack (or push?? ) the officer I think that's when you start to see the upheaval that all the media keeps posting - that officer pulling gun on the second kid (which I think is wrong) and then that kid goes running.

While the video is bad, I think we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that there's a sense of resisting arrest, fighting back and overall disregard for officers - it's getting pretty ugly (on both the police side and the civilian side) out there.

You need to see the video before you post an opinion. Girl was not fighting back. Now she did somewhat pull away from the officer once he grabbed her, but she did that because he GRABBED at her. His way pf restraining her was not done is such a way that she could react any other way. A teenage girl in a bikini is not going to let any grown man police or not, grab at her they way that he did. She was not kicking. She was trying to get away.

I still can not believe how many of you are defending this policeman. It is so sad that you view AA children as animals that have to be lassoed in. If this was a teenage girl was of any other race, you would view this video in a different light. Just admit it. If it was a little small teenage Asian girl, white girl or even Latino/Hispanic girl, you you would not be so quick to blame her for mouthing off. She was pulled to the ground and a knee was placed on her back! She was calling for her mother! what do you expect for a teenager. I know many you like to believe that all black people have had confrontations with the police, but we have not. She was probably scared. My 12 year would run for her life if this happened to her (now she wouldn't because I've had to have "the talk"). She has never had any contact with a policeman, never seen the inside of a courtroom.

It's just so sad that you all see us as all animals. These are teenagers who make bad decisions, the grown-ups are supposed to know better, be better, act better. It is so disappointing. It is really making me re-think my view of white Americans. Starting to see yo all as one big racist group. It really makes me sad.

I see, you are proposing a new constitutional amendment.

28th amendment: No person of the female gender, between the ages of 8 and 18, and wearing a bikini, shall ever be arrested, or touched. Authorities will ensure that every police car, motorbike, bike, boat and horse carries an assortment of well-fitting clothes, in multiple colors, styles and sizes, for any said person of the female gender wearing a bikini to select and dress up, before being arrested or touched.

I know you think this response is really clever and witty, but it's not. These are issues that AA parents have to face every single day. This little, useless comment (and it was indeed little and useless) really shows that for other races, it's not concerning. It's just something you can laugh about and attempt clever comments. I, on the other hand have to deal with my 12 year old AA daughter who told me today that she may be uninvited to a swim party of a "supposed" white friend because white friend thought she (my daughter) would cause the police to show up to her community pool because she's (white friend) never seen AA's at her community pool.

Lady, you are truly demanding. But, OK, here it goes:

28th amendment: No person of the female gender and of color, between the ages of 8 and 18, wearing a bikini and shouting for her mama to help, shall ever be arrested, or touched. Authorities will ensure that every police car, motorbike, bike, boat and horse carries 1. an assortment of well-fitting clothes, in multiple colors, styles and sizes, and 2. videoconference equipment, with every mama in the country in speed dial, for any said person of the female gender and of color wearing a bikini and shouting for her mama to help to select and dress up, and discuss matters with her mama, before being arrested or touched.

(My DAUGHTERS are not white. And they have no problem dealing with the police, or with "supposed" friends. They know their behavior matters. They don't trespass other people's properties, jump over fences, engage in physical altercations with neighbors, or ignore police requests. If some other "supposed" friends cancel an invitation, they play with someone else. We are not drama people)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real sad thing is these kids do not seem like "Ghetto" kids-the ones who spoke sound well spoken and are likely from the area which is a middle class town. They are not "street thugs", and yet they still behave unlawfully and disrespectfully. This is not a race thing at this point, it is a cultural thing! Similarly in PG county, there is a ton of wealth, and a ton of middle class-yet the schools remain horrible and it is pretty much a crime ridden unsafe place. How does one explain that-is it a lack of regard for obeying laws, is the money obtained unlawfully, or is is just a class/not race thing?

OH MY GOODNESS! Seriously, Seriously? They speak well, and there is a place that a lot of AA live and there is a lot of crime there, therefore AA's and/or AA's of a a certain class are prone to criminality?just WOW! I seriously doubt that you know how stupid you sound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real sad thing is these kids do not seem like "Ghetto" kids-the ones who spoke sound well spoken and are likely from the area which is a middle class town. They are not "street thugs", and yet they still behave unlawfully and disrespectfully. This is not a race thing at this point, it is a cultural thing! Similarly in PG county, there is a ton of wealth, and a ton of middle class-yet the schools remain horrible and it is pretty much a crime ridden unsafe place. How does one explain that-is it a lack of regard for obeying laws, is the money obtained unlawfully, or is is just a class/not race thing?

Really? Now it's cultural? You really think AA teach our children to be disrespectful? Some of you need to just stop talking. And our money is obtained "unlawfully" ? What does does that mean? And what are "Ghetto" kids? Are they only AA kids? Can white, asian and other groups have "Ghetto" kids? If some were invited and had passes, what laws did they break? How were they acting unlawfully? If they were invited and had passes, they probably thought "Hey I was invited, why are you kicking me out?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: She was calling for her mother!

It very much read to me as "Oh hell no, get my mama because she is going to make an issue of this," the way she said it, not "I'm so scared!! Call my mommy!"

DA FUQ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
The girl was calling for her mother. Some of you are truly sick human beings

truly sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disclaimer: I do NOT condone the officer being so forceful with the girl. He was certainly wrong here. However.... Just out of curiosity...
It's been said many times in this thread that "I expect a teenager to act like this or that". When did we as a society (and parents) come to accept our children being disrespectful to any adult? I'm not that old but I remember growing up I was expected to behave and act a certain way, particularly in public. At what point did age become an acceptable excuse for an ill behaved child? When I was a 14 year old girl and stepped out of line, my parents started their famous lecture with 'You're 14, you should know better.'

Please don't take this as if I'm saying Black kids are disrespectful. White kids are as well. It seems to be with a lot youths these days. This is merely a legitimate question that I'm curious about. When did we, as parents become accepting of poor behavior?

DA FUQ are you talking about?

1) What behaviour was disrespectful? Her saying something smart to the cop? OK-- that's not illegal

2) What behaviour was disrespectful? The girl was complying with the orders given by the cop, she was leaving!

3) People have not been saying that if there was disrespectful behaviour that it is ok, they are just saying that white kids (EVEN WHITE KIDS SEEN IN THE VIDEO AND MAKING THE VIDEO) were treated radically different than the AA kids.

4) It's a group of a lot of kids, there is no way for any of us to know who was had a legitimate invite and who did not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disclaimer: I do NOT condone the officer being so forceful with the girl. He was certainly wrong here. However.... Just out of curiosity...
It's been said many times in this thread that "I expect a teenager to act like this or that". When did we as a society (and parents) come to accept our children being disrespectful to any adult? I'm not that old but I remember growing up I was expected to behave and act a certain way, particularly in public. At what point did age become an acceptable excuse for an ill behaved child? When I was a 14 year old girl and stepped out of line, my parents started their famous lecture with 'You're 14, you should know better.'

Please don't take this as if I'm saying Black kids are disrespectful. White kids are as well. It seems to be with a lot youths these days. This is merely a legitimate question that I'm curious about. When did we, as parents become accepting of poor behavior?

Because Josh Duggar (aka 12-19 year old white creeper boys) can do no wrong, and if they do it's because the devil and admitting said devil grants immunity from societal scorn. Sort of like the reverse "affluenza" dfense. It is wrong and when these sex abuser kids grow up with a sense of entitlement and disregard for the law and the greater good of society, we are all in trouble.

Oh, those 14-year olds...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disclaimer: I do NOT condone the officer being so forceful with the girl. He was certainly wrong here. However.... Just out of curiosity...
It's been said many times in this thread that "I expect a teenager to act like this or that". When did we as a society (and parents) come to accept our children being disrespectful to any adult? I'm not that old but I remember growing up I was expected to behave and act a certain way, particularly in public. At what point did age become an acceptable excuse for an ill behaved child? When I was a 14 year old girl and stepped out of line, my parents started their famous lecture with 'You're 14, you should know better.'

Please don't take this as if I'm saying Black kids are disrespectful. White kids are as well. It seems to be with a lot youths these days. This is merely a legitimate question that I'm curious about. When did we, as parents become accepting of poor behavior?

Because "black babies" (aka 12-19 year olds) can do no wrong, and if they do it's because of racism. Sort of like the reverse "affluenza" dfense. It is wrong and when these ill behaved kids grow up with a sense of entitlement and disregard for the law and the greater good of society, we are all in trouble.

Must be the dumbest ass assertion I have read here all day. Throwing out these generalization instead of actually sticking to facts is a weak way to make a non-existent point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real sad thing is these kids do not seem like "Ghetto" kids-the ones who spoke sound well spoken and are likely from the area which is a middle class town. They are not "street thugs", and yet they still behave unlawfully and disrespectfully. This is not a race thing at this point, it is a cultural thing! Similarly in PG county, there is a ton of wealth, and a ton of middle class-yet the schools remain horrible and it is pretty much a crime ridden unsafe place. How does one explain that-is it a lack of regard for obeying laws, is the money obtained unlawfully, or is is just a class/not race thing?

I agree, what you say is real and sad. I have no idea if it is related to the "acting white" or "no snitching" BS, but that culture is corrosive.

And the saddest thing, to me, is that many (apparently AA) posters in this thread are justifying their behavior. Everything the kids did and said is normal course of business--what else can you expect from a bunch of teenagers!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real sad thing is these kids do not seem like "Ghetto" kids-the ones who spoke sound well spoken and are likely from the area which is a middle class town. They are not "street thugs", and yet they still behave unlawfully and disrespectfully. This is not a race thing at this point, it is a cultural thing! Similarly in PG county, there is a ton of wealth, and a ton of middle class-yet the schools remain horrible and it is pretty much a crime ridden unsafe place. How does one explain that-is it a lack of regard for obeying laws, is the money obtained unlawfully, or is is just a class/not race thing?

stereotype much?

One would think that money, nice homes, nice community, good education, careers, and other opportunities that are not afforded to those less fortunate would help dissuade "thug" like behavior, and disregard for rules and laws, as well as utter disrespect for authority. It does not seem to matter as theis behavior apparently crosses socioeconomic and class lines. I was once at a conference and a PHD level, well to do, well respected man in a high level job was talking shit about racism with such anger and venom that the tension in the room was palpable. He was full of rage, yet he seemingly was living the good life and had every opportunity at his disposal. Instead of using it for good, he was using it as a platform to spew hatred against the "white man". There is a problem with this.......

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real sad thing is these kids do not seem like "Ghetto" kids-the ones who spoke sound well spoken and are likely from the area which is a middle class town. They are not "street thugs", and yet they still behave unlawfully and disrespectfully. This is not a race thing at this point, it is a cultural thing! Similarly in PG county, there is a ton of wealth, and a ton of middle class-yet the schools remain horrible and it is pretty much a crime ridden unsafe place. How does one explain that-is it a lack of regard for obeying laws, is the money obtained unlawfully, or is is just a class/not race thing?

I agree, what you say is real and sad. I have no idea if it is related to the "acting white" or "no snitching" BS, but that culture is corrosive.

And the saddest thing, to me, is that many (apparently AA) posters in this thread are justifying their behavior. Everything the kids did and said is normal course of business--what else can you expect from a bunch of teenagers!

No one said anything you asserted. I hate to tell you, but that whole "acting white" thing is a cultural misnomer that has been dispelled. There have been studies that show that that whole idea is no more prevalent among black kids than the parallel idea of calling someone a "nerd", in other words, it's the same difference and doesn't happen to black kids more than white kids. And I've been black all my life and no one has ever told me to stop "snitching". If you have a problem with poor behaviour, then why don't you go to Indiana give a piece of your mind to those woman brawling in the Walmart.

[Anonymous]

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This is the gist of it right here, you see black kids as ADULTS. Adults who are prone to criminality. The girl did comply, she was told to leave and she was walking away, she then said something Barney Fife did not like. He then grabbed her and being a KID, she freaked out. So of course, it is all her fault. That according to all of you helicopter moms cannot even stand it if another kids looks sideways at your toddler at library storytime. Your prejudice and ignorance is showing. It is both sad and sickening.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-judge-who-partly-blamed-teen-rape-victim-censured-n162621

It's not just PP.

No, in fact that is actual research on this: http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/black-boys-older.aspx

lack boys as young as 10 may not be viewed in the same light of childhood innocence as their white peers, but are instead more likely to be mistaken as older, be perceived as guilty and face police violence if accused of a crime, according to new research published by the American Psychological Association.

“Children in most societies are considered to be in a distinct group with characteristics such as innocence and the need for protection. Our research found that black boys can be seen as responsible for their actions at an age when white boys still benefit from the assumption that children are essentially innocent,” said author Phillip Atiba Goff, PhD, of the University of California, Los Angeles. The study was published online in APA’s Journal of Personality and Social Psychology®.