FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'll actually be curious to see if the Crossfield and Navy parents still send their kids to Carson for AAP after this.

Of course they will.

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Anonymous wrote:Communities in Vienna that are literally 5 minutes walk to Oakton and connected with a nice sidewalk are going into Madison High School but communities in Herndon which are 25 minutes on the bus are going into Oakton HS. How are boundaries set up? Are they not set up based on closest distance? Wouldn't keeping the high school at the center and drawing a circle around it to decide the catchment area make more sense?

Initially, I think it was proximity. Then, some schools got too large. Chantilly is a great example. Everyone lives close--not necessarily walkable, but not more than 10 minutes on school bus. But, Navy kids who used to go to Chantilly were sent to Oakton because Chantilly was full. I assume the same is true of Franklin Farm. I don't know if they ever went to Chantilly, but they did in the past.

There is fluctuation in populations. When Franklin Farm was built the school membership in the area exploded. Any new development usually brings in kids. There are pockets all over Fairfax county where kids go farther than they should because of fluctuating enrollments.

At some point, some of these pockets will get reassigned closer. Some won't be happy. People usually want to stay where they are if they are happy with the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed no one from Westfield is raging in here

I am reasonably certain that is why Westfield is going to end up losing so many students with limited backfill. The Centreville and Chantilly families have been very vocal about not wanting to move and Westfield has been quiet.

The people who have made the most noise got what they wanted. Crossfield is unhappy because it got what it wanted just not in a way that they wanted it.

Well, the families who aren't being zoned out of Westfield can't really advocate for...other neighborhoods to be moved in? How would that work exactly, without sounding totally racist and classist?

It's FCPS's responsibility---that they are abdicating completely--to make fair decisions on behalf of all the schools.

Sure they can. South Lakes and Langley groups have been very vocal in the past about which areas they did and did not want rezoned to their schools, and they got their way in 2008 and 2021.

Maybe the middle class Westfield parents are not as big of obnoxious a-holes as those other groups were.

Westfield parent. There's a lot of UMC/UC families in the our pyramid who send their kids to private schools for K-8. Many of the elementary feeder schools have had poor leadership and lackluster AAP programs and the feeder middle school is rough. FCPS probably could have won some of those families back for high school if they'd handled this differently. My younger kids will be staying at private school through HS now.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does McDaniel live?

Maybe he's the one who lives in Walney Oaks? Someone lives there with pull.

No. Franklin Farm.

McDaniel does not live in Franklin farm. He’s in Crossfield but not FF.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll actually be curious to see if the Crossfield and Navy parents still send their kids to Carson for AAP after this.

Of course they will.

I suspect that they will have AAP in all schools by that year? If not, they certainly should. Franklin has enough who go to Carson to support that now. I get the impression that Navy/Crossfield think they are the only AAP there.

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Anonymous wrote:Communities in Vienna that are literally 5 minutes walk to Oakton and connected with a nice sidewalk are going into Madison High School but communities in Herndon which are 25 minutes on the bus are going into Oakton HS. How are boundaries set up? Are they not set up based on closest distance? Wouldn't keeping the high school at the center and drawing a circle around it to decide the catchment area make more sense?

In a world where home sizes and density were universally consistent without exception, with no factors such as traffic, this could work in hexagons if each high school were the same size and centered in each hexagon.
In other words, NO.

It's touching in a way how naive some people are. I guess they get credit for apparently never giving these things a moment's thought until a day or two ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Communities in Vienna that are literally 5 minutes walk to Oakton and connected with a nice sidewalk are going into Madison High School but communities in Herndon which are 25 minutes on the bus are going into Oakton HS. How are boundaries set up? Are they not set up based on closest distance? Wouldn't keeping the high school at the center and drawing a circle around it to decide the catchment area make more sense?

In a world where home sizes and density were universally consistent without exception, with no factors such as traffic, this could work in hexagons if each high school were the same size and centered in each hexagon.
In other words, NO.

It's touching in a way how naive some people are. I guess they get credit for apparently never giving these things a moment's thought until a day or two ago.

Not PP, but we draw borders with the map we have, not the map we wish to have. It's touching in a way how naive some people are, indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

There are a lot of Navy and Waples Mill AAP kids at Carson going to Oakton. Carson is currently part of the Oakton pyramid!

My non-AAP child does not interact with them. Only a small portion of Crossfield kids are in AAP.

Most of them went to Navy in the past.

My non-AAP kid is not friends with those kids either and does not interact with them. Why would he be friends with kids who left the school 4-5 years ago? AAP and non-AAP kids rarely interact at Crossfield, and again, the majority of Crossfield kids at Carson are not AAP.

The AAP crowd doesn't have AAP only PE, drama, art, engineering, lunch etc at carson. They certainly interact with one another in those classes or on the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:Communities in Vienna that are literally 5 minutes walk to Oakton and connected with a nice sidewalk are going into Madison High School but communities in Herndon which are 25 minutes on the bus are going into Oakton HS. How are boundaries set up? Are they not set up based on closest distance? Wouldn't keeping the high school at the center and drawing a circle around it to decide the catchment area make more sense?

In a world where home sizes and density were universally consistent without exception, with no factors such as traffic, this could work in hexagons if each high school were the same size and centered in each hexagon.
In other words, NO.

It's touching in a way how naive some people are. I guess they get credit for apparently never giving these things a moment's thought until a day or two ago.

Not PP, but we draw borders with the map we have, not the map we wish to have. It's touching in a way how naive some people are, indeed.

And, we draw borders depending on who screams the loudest instead of what is obejctive.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2 Cents-
Putting Crossfield Elem kids on a bus to Oakton once they are HS age is SO FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE, as tax payers we should all be very upset about it.

Your weak take is worth about what you claim. There is zero quantification that there is any marginal cost to those bus rides. Bus ride analysis depends on so much more than as-the-crow-flies distance.

Since you’re a jazzed-up taxpayer, there are many other ways to save millions more in the school budget, as has been discussed before on these threads. Your bus ride outrage is directed at proverbial couch cushions while there are Ferraris sitting in the driveway.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, for all who are worried that Westfield as a school of 2100 will not have enough class offerings…remember now the kid isn’t competing for space with 700 additional kids.

At Chantilly, it doesn’t even matter how many AP classes or special electives there are if all classes are basically filled immediately. It has been so frustrating. Freshman year the counselor screwed up DS’s schedule and gave him 8 classes. When we tried to get it fixed, every possibility that we wanted was rejected because all the classes were full.

I have a Westfield senior. This year, she had signed up for a certain AP class only to discover less than a week before classes started that the class was cancelled due to lack of enrollment. She was placed into a regular class instead and couldn't get into any other AP classes due to all the classes being full. This is going to get worse now

Its laughable that you think this is an apt comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

Navy AAP kids are at Carson currently and most of them are going to Oakton. At least 100 kids or more.

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Westfield had to run a lottery for some DE classes this year because they didn't have enough qualified teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

There are a lot of Navy and Waples Mill AAP kids at Carson going to Oakton. Carson is currently part of the Oakton pyramid!

My non-AAP child does not interact with them. Only a small portion of Crossfield kids are in AAP.

Most of them went to Navy in the past.

Yes, that's correct. A lot of the kids who qualify for AAP at Crossfield end up going to Navy. My kid is one of them. And if scenario 1 is approved, he will start MS at Carson with ZERO kids from his current class.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

There are a lot of Navy and Waples Mill AAP kids at Carson going to Oakton. Carson is currently part of the Oakton pyramid!

My non-AAP child does not interact with them. Only a small portion of Crossfield kids are in AAP.

Most of them went to Navy in the past.

Yes, that's correct. A lot of the kids who qualify for AAP at Crossfield end up going to Navy. My kid is one of them. And if scenario 1 is approved, he will start MS at Carson with ZERO kids from his current class.

All his AAP buddies from Navy will be at Carson too. Calm down mama.