FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, for all who are worried that Westfield as a school of 2100 will not have enough class offerings…remember now the kid isn’t competing for space with 700 additional kids.

At Chantilly, it doesn’t even matter how many AP classes or special electives there are if all classes are basically filled immediately. It has been so frustrating. Freshman year the counselor screwed up DS’s schedule and gave him 8 classes. When we tried to get it fixed, every possibility that we wanted was rejected because all the classes were full.

Its laughable that you think this is an apt comparison.

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Where does McDaniel live?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Yeah, shouldn’t Scenario 1 be a little lower since it sends the Franklin Farm part to Skyview?

Also what is up with the tiny triangle added to Oakton in Scenario 2?

IT DOES NOT SEND OAKTON FRANKLIN FARM KIDS TO SKYVIEW EXCEPT ONE STREET. It sends neighborhoods that are directly adjacent to Franklin Farm but not part of the HOA to Skyview. Let's talk about conspiracy theories here....

Just an FYI, There is a large section of Franklin Farm across the parkway that has always been at Chantilly and will be sent to Skyview. In Scenario 2, they are sending almost all to Skyview (along with the rest of Oak Hill) with the exception of one tiny area of Franklin Farm which is stays at Chantilly. Hopefully, they will adjust that and send them to Skyview, as well.

Yes, sweetie, that's not who we are talking about. Get with the program.

Aren't you nice! You don't care about other kids that are being split from their cohort. Just Crossfield. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, for all who are worried that Westfield as a school of 2100 will not have enough class offerings…remember now the kid isn’t competing for space with 700 additional kids.

At Chantilly, it doesn’t even matter how many AP classes or special electives there are if all classes are basically filled immediately. It has been so frustrating. Freshman year the counselor screwed up DS’s schedule and gave him 8 classes. When we tried to get it fixed, every possibility that we wanted was rejected because all the classes were full.

Its laughable that you think this is an apt comparison.

DP. It is very much an apt comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does McDaniel live?

Maybe he's the one who lives in Walney Oaks? Someone lives there with pull.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This is not a thing. The houses zoned to Skyview (in the other half of FF, in Chantilly Highlands, and the surrounding neighborhoods) cost the same as if not more than your precious Crossfield homes.

You can believe what you want to believe and it should be ok for crossfield folks believe what they believe. The point is, it's understandable for them to want to get what they chose. Btw, I am not a crossfield parent. If you are not either, do not pretend you know better than them about their area.

Oh, you're a Navy mom. Your school is not guaranteed, everyone knows that, silly.

Your kids are forced to join a new school every year! Or wait, every quarter they swap schools!
Maybe it was every week?

What are you talking about, lady?

The fact that the likelyhood that one's own kids will be moved is exceedingly low during their school career.
Thus the assumption that the pyramid you buy into is the one your kids will attend.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does McDaniel live?

Maybe he's the one who lives in Walney Oaks? Someone lives there with pull.

No. Franklin Farm.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

There are a lot of Navy and Waples Mill AAP kids at Carson going to Oakton. Carson is currently part of the Oakton pyramid!

My non-AAP child does not interact with them. Only a small portion of Crossfield kids are in AAP.

Most of them went to Navy in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Yeah, shouldn’t Scenario 1 be a little lower since it sends the Franklin Farm part to Skyview?

Also what is up with the tiny triangle added to Oakton in Scenario 2?

IT DOES NOT SEND OAKTON FRANKLIN FARM KIDS TO SKYVIEW EXCEPT ONE STREET. It sends neighborhoods that are directly adjacent to Franklin Farm but not part of the HOA to Skyview. Let's talk about conspiracy theories here....

No need to shout.
I’m not talking about the FF HOA area per se, but the area of Crossfield that has “Franklin Farm” on the map, bordered by FCP to the west, Tewksbury to the north, the Franklin Green to the east, that is purple (Oakton) in existing conditions but gets rezoned to Skyview (yellow stripes) in Scenario 1.
That is more than 1 street.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does McDaniel live?

Maybe he's the one who lives in Walney Oaks? Someone lives there with pull.

No. Franklin Farm.

Just curious, where is his house zoned now and what are the results of the scenarios?

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Communities in Vienna that are literally 5 minutes walk to Oakton and connected with a nice sidewalk are going into Madison High School but communities in Herndon which are 25 minutes on the bus are going into Oakton HS. How are boundaries set up? Are they not set up based on closest distance? Wouldn't keeping the high school at the center and drawing a circle around it to decide the catchment area make more sense?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

There are a lot of Navy and Waples Mill AAP kids at Carson going to Oakton. Carson is currently part of the Oakton pyramid!

My non-AAP child does not interact with them. Only a small portion of Crossfield kids are in AAP.

Most of them went to Navy in the past.

My non-AAP kid is not friends with those kids either and does not interact with them. Why would he be friends with kids who left the school 4-5 years ago? AAP and non-AAP kids rarely interact at Crossfield, and again, the majority of Crossfield kids at Carson are not AAP.

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I'll actually be curious to see if the Crossfield and Navy parents still send their kids to Carson for AAP after this.

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Anonymous wrote:Communities in Vienna that are literally 5 minutes walk to Oakton and connected with a nice sidewalk are going into Madison High School but communities in Herndon which are 25 minutes on the bus are going into Oakton HS. How are boundaries set up? Are they not set up based on closest distance? Wouldn't keeping the high school at the center and drawing a circle around it to decide the catchment area make more sense?

In a world where home sizes and density were universally consistent without exception, with no factors such as traffic, this could work in hexagons if each high school were the same size and centered in each hexagon.
In other words, NO.

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Anonymous wrote:Communities in Vienna that are literally 5 minutes walk to Oakton and connected with a nice sidewalk are going into Madison High School but communities in Herndon which are 25 minutes on the bus are going into Oakton HS. How are boundaries set up? Are they not set up based on closest distance? Wouldn't keeping the high school at the center and drawing a circle around it to decide the catchment area make more sense?

Oakton and Madison are walking distance from each other!!