VT is Out

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Anonymous wrote:It just happens that way because OOS yield is very low and in state yield is high. OOS families seem to be deciding that VT is expensive/not worth it compared to their other options.

It’s definitely expensive OOS. Maybe it’s worth it for engineering, but for other majors you can find a better ROI.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid waitlisted!! Totally shocked! IB candidate highest rigor 3.98 GPA 4.46 weighted. 790 SAT Math!! College counselor said he’d definitely get in.

Engineering instate…

How is this possible?!?

Please reread the thread- they want to make a community of people who value service and hard work. I have definitely proof read essays that show kids don’t serve or think about others. Super strong kids are all over NoVa. They have to pick and chose

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What are the chances from in state if they haven’t been big into community service… but has the highest rigor in core subjects and great SAT?
Waitlisted in EA

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Anonymous wrote:For those with high stats who did not get into VT.

FYI- Binghamton, Buffalo, Stonybrook and Albany SUNY schools (there 4 flagships) are still taking applications and they routinely for OOS in DMV with high GPAs give the instate tuition rate which is $7.070 a year.

At least Stonybrook is not that generous with aid. Their instate is $10k, OOS is $30k and top merit is $15k.

it is not Merit Aid. That is different. NY Flagship schools are nearly all NYS students. OOS students mainly come from CT and NJ the states right near by. They want more students OOS for a bit further away. Binghamton offered my kid in Maryland instate tution for all four years to go there.

BTW OOS at 30K is a bargain even at full price. Virginia State schools are way way higher for OOS>

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Anonymous wrote:It just happens that way because OOS yield is very low and in state yield is high. OOS families seem to be deciding that VT is expensive/not worth it compared to their other options.

It’s definitely expensive OOS. Maybe it’s worth it for engineering, but for other majors you can find a better ROI.

Not anymore. My kid is going there. as a Freshman it was once of best value. In Maryland they have one flagship. If you go to a W shool they greatly limited amount of applicants. So my kids with a 4.66 WGPA and 13 APs turned down. So she got in Penn State, zero aid, got in Pitt, zero aid. got in Delaware and Binghamton with some aid but she hated them.

Virginia Tech was less tuition than Pitt and Penn state and gave a 3K merit (not much) so VT it was. and not suprisingly a lot of W school kids ended up there last year. Two of her friend with a 4.5 to 4.7 WGPA and 13-14 APs are in MoCo community college now as parents did not want to pay OOS and plan to transfer to University of Maryland. neighter wanted a step down to Towson or UMBCC. That is messed up. It is also peak birth years now. in a year or two be easer to get into college. Less babies born in 2009-2010 during recession and financial crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can read this thread and not come to the conclusion that VT yield protects. What's more likely? That, or ALL of these high stats kids getting waitlisted wrote crappy essays? SMH.

But they're not ALL getting waitlisted. Some are. Many are accepted. They're not here complaining about it.

VT has a weird admissions pattern, I admit. But if it were really yield protection, you'd see an actual pattern to it, not just unusual misses.

If they were yield protecting, they'd track demonstrated interest, offer Early Decision, look for LOR. They do none of that. You can't yield predict without it. You can, however, make some weird choices.

Posters are trying to figure out the pattern of accepted. So far: thought to essays; thought and commitment to service; major. Some test optional others submitted; most above 4.0 gpa but rigor of classes differs. Was it higher acceptances of OOS students? 74% of enrolled students are from in-state. OOS applicants face stiff competition.

In state yield at VT is historically strong, so acceptance rates are lower.
OOS yield at VT is historically low, so acceptance rates are higher.

It's one of the (many) interesting quirks of VT admission that OOS acceptance rates are higher than in state.

Another quirk is that they are very transparent - https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college- which leads to gamesmanship where applicants will flock to a major that has historically higher acceptance rates, causing the rate to dive, causing claims of YiELd PrOTecTIoN!

How is that a quirk. OOS pays more. My kids with a 4.67 WGPA and 13 APs in state got turned down instate for College Park in Maryland and got into VT which she went. At College park kids go in with lower GPAs then her as they pay higher tuition University of Delaware is 61 percent out of state. They pay more.

It is a quirk because other Virginia state schools have lower admit rates for OOS students than in state students. Typically, admit rates for in state are higher. All Virginia schools are required to have ~2/3 in-state students.

It just happens that way because OOS yield is very low and in state yield is high. OOS families seem to be deciding that VT is expensive/not worth it compared to their other options.

Not really. Most of my DC's friends at VT are OOS. There is no shortage of them.

There are a lot from Maryland there. Kinda suprising. But then again University of Maryland has a lot of kids from NOVA.

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Anonymous wrote:We got in! Engineering! But waiting on top choice W&M.

You would take WM over VT for engineering? Mkay.

I believe it. People choose schools for different reasons. VT was my son's #1 until they cow-towed to Trump and dropped all their diversity programs. Son got in for engineering 3.98 uw/4.6 w, 35 ACT, captain of robotics team, Physics tutor, tons of volunteer hours, Varsity football and lacrosse all 4 years in HS. He is opting for an HBCU. Of course the W&M person is choosing it for other reasons. My point is people pass up what others deem "superior" for all kinds of reasons you may not understand.

Good grief. You realize that ALL colleges have to follow the law, right? Which means no racial discrimination. But sure, continue to blame VT for simply following the law.
DP

DP. I’m a lawyer, and no law required VT to do this. An executive order is not a law. An executive order is a directive from the President that governs how the executive branch carries out existing law. Last i checked VT is not a part of the executive branch. After the Supreme Court ended affirmative action, VT continued these programs. They were withdrawn only after the Trump administration threatened universities with funding consequences.

I am not a minority, so I can’t speak to how the original poster feels. But I did not see them blaming VT. Although VT deserves being criticized for canceling programs, without having to legally, particularly after a federal judge ruled that the administration could not withhold funds from institutions that maintained diversity programs.

That said, as a woman, if a school I liked began eliminating programs aimed at women, I would seriously consider other options. Besides all these waitlisted people should be happy this student is rejecting their offer.

Women don't need a boost anymore. They are creeping up to a solid majority of 60% of college students.

The female only programs need to be scrapped. Their solid majority in college programs has tipped those programs aimed at women from helpful and needed to flat out discrimination against men.

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My VT accepted kid student portal says Honors acceptance by end of this month.

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Anonymous wrote:My VT accepted kid student portal says Honors acceptance by end of this month.

Be aware that the Honors decisions are a little puzzling. They have no clear criteria for the Honors program listed anywhere, and based on the students my Hokies know who were admitted to Honors, it's difficult to tell what criteria were used (just meaning that it's not based strictly on academic stats). There's no separate honors application, so decisions are being made on factors from the regular application.

It's been of no consequence that they didn't get into honors. The dorms housing Honors LLCs are not any nicer than others, both my Hokies have been able to tap into research experiences, and so far, they've gotten all the classes they wanted/needed such that there's not loss on any early registration benefit. I'm sure there are some good points to it, but unlike other schools where Honors seemed like it was a real game changes, I don't sense that's the case at VT.

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Anonymous wrote:My VT accepted kid student portal says Honors acceptance by end of this month.

Be aware that the Honors decisions are a little puzzling. They have no clear criteria for the Honors program listed anywhere, and based on the students my Hokies know who were admitted to Honors, it's difficult to tell what criteria were used (just meaning that it's not based strictly on academic stats). There's no separate honors application, so decisions are being made on factors from the regular application.

It's been of no consequence that they didn't get into honors. The dorms housing Honors LLCs are not any nicer than others, both my Hokies have been able to tap into research experiences, and so far, they've gotten all the classes they wanted/needed such that there's not loss on any early registration benefit. I'm sure there are some good points to it, but unlike other schools where Honors seemed like it was a real game changes, I don't sense that's the case at VT.

This is helpful. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances from in state if they haven’t been big into community service… but has the highest rigor in core subjects and great SAT?
Waitlisted in EA

My kid made it in with strong stats but not as strong as a lot of kids here who were waitlisted. He also didn’t have exceptional community service. I’m sure I’ll get a lot of hate for that but I do think he was able to differentiate himself thru the prompts - he articulated a creative way he applies his (engineering) skills to serve the community and specifically how he wants to use them at vt. It was not fancy or world changing but it was honest. point being if your kid was able to to convey that he served the community in a meaningful and unique way even if it was not in a big way, then yes, I personally think he has a chance of being accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances from in state if they haven’t been big into community service… but has the highest rigor in core subjects and great SAT?
Waitlisted in EA

My kid made it in with strong stats but not as strong as a lot of kids here who were waitlisted. He also didn’t have exceptional community service. I’m sure I’ll get a lot of hate for that but I do think he was able to differentiate himself thru the prompts - he articulated a creative way he applies his (engineering) skills to serve the community and specifically how he wants to use them at vt. It was not fancy or world changing but it was honest. point being if your kid was able to to convey that he served the community in a meaningful and unique way even if it was not in a big way, then yes, I personally think he has a chance of being accepted.

Congratulations to your son!
I do think this was a big factor how the kids portrayed themselves in the prompts. I thought ds’ answers were good…but didn’t work.
Lets see now see May 1 st is very late for the VT waitlist decision….and am sure we will have to accept somewhere else by May 1st.

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Same story every year. VT has one of the most difficult to predict admissions processes. High stats alone definitely does not cut it, and really high stats seems to draw a disproportionate amount of WLs. UVA and W&M are much more predictable.

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Anonymous wrote:It just happens that way because OOS yield is very low and in state yield is high. OOS families seem to be deciding that VT is expensive/not worth it compared to their other options.

It’s definitely expensive OOS. Maybe it’s worth it for engineering, but for other majors you can find a better ROI.

Hmm. My DC has lots of OOS friends who aren't in engineering, so obviously they find the ROI to be quite satisfactory.
DP