Kids becoming Firefighters and Cops

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

A cop makings over $100k is in California, where that probably qualifies for housing assistance.

The bigger money is only in overtime, which is great for them but they also need to stop working way younger than a paper pusher.

Same as an RN in California, a laudable profession in public service but they don't get retirement. Sorry you feel you people need to be dependent on the government for handouts.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be mad because you tried to tout something crappy about a job as a virtue and then had to have it explained to you.

I’m not mad. Hopefully the markets don’t crash and disrupt your kid’s retirement plans. Actually, I hope they’re even saving for retirement because 401k balance averages by age group are chronically insufficient.

That’s what the annual gifts and inheritance are for.

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My father was a federal agent. I don’t want my kids in law enforcement. PTSD is a big problem for officers and their families.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

A cop makings over $100k is in California, where that probably qualifies for housing assistance.

The bigger money is only in overtime, which is great for them but they also need to stop working way younger than a paper pusher.

Starting July 1st the entry level salary for the Arlington County PD is $90,000 + a $25,000 hiring bonus.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

A cop makings over $100k is in California, where that probably qualifies for housing assistance.

The bigger money is only in overtime, which is great for them but they also need to stop working way younger than a paper pusher.

Starting July 1st the entry level salary for the Arlington County PD is $90,000 + a $25,000 hiring bonus.

I would much prefer that we paid a higher salary to teachers instead.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

A cop makings over $100k is in California, where that probably qualifies for housing assistance.

The bigger money is only in overtime, which is great for them but they also need to stop working way younger than a paper pusher.

Starting July 1st the entry level salary for the Arlington County PD is $90,000 + a $25,000 hiring bonus.

I would much prefer that we paid a higher salary to teachers instead.

DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Firefighter jobs are pretty hard to get, and most pay far below $240K per year.

But firefighters are revered first responders, and it's a terrific career for the right kid.

And they have the highest job satisfaction out of any career.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

A cop makings over $100k is in California, where that probably qualifies for housing assistance.

The bigger money is only in overtime, which is great for them but they also need to stop working way younger than a paper pusher.

Starting July 1st the entry level salary for the Arlington County PD is $90,000 + a $25,000 hiring bonus.

I would much prefer that we paid a higher salary to teachers instead.

DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

You should stop ranting about pensions and rant instead about the overtime fraud and abuse that lets a small but meaningful percentage of police and fire rack up $200k-$300k comp year after year.

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Anonymous wrote:My father was a federal agent. I don’t want my kids in law enforcement. PTSD is a big problem for officers and their families.

What agency work would lead to PTSD? For 30 years, I worked kiddie porn/child exploitation, dope, drugs, horrendous war crimes and violent criminal gangs and never had an issue. I guess if you’re always being shot at or engaged in fights it could become mentally taxing but federal law enforcement doesn’t have a ton of that.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

A cop makings over $100k is in California, where that probably qualifies for housing assistance.

The bigger money is only in overtime, which is great for them but they also need to stop working way younger than a paper pusher.

Starting July 1st the entry level salary for the Arlington County PD is $90,000 + a $25,000 hiring bonus.

I would much prefer that we paid a higher salary to teachers instead.

DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

You should stop ranting about pensions and rant instead about the overtime fraud and abuse that lets a small but meaningful percentage of police and fire rack up $200k-$300k comp year after year.

We can rant about all of it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

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Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

Honestly, I’m fine with cops making good money. It reduces risk of corruption from desperation, and if I had a job where I could get AIDS from a needle stick checking someone’s pocket, it seems like a fair trade, on top of the usual people may shoot at you or run you over.

Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

A friend’s daughter is a flight nurse in a helicopter. She makes over $120,000 and only works 8 days a month. Every overtime shift she picks up is a guaranteed $2,000+.

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Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

six figures has not been a thing in 30-40 years. Today six figures at 100K you are at eating at the food bank living with roomates in a dumpy apt in HCOL areas or you could be making 999K and living in a Park Ave Coop or Chevy Chase md.

I recall back in 1982 my Moms big Boss made 100K and he was rich. Today thats barely a garabage mans salary in a poor town.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be mad because you tried to tout something crappy about a job as a virtue and then had to have it explained to you.

I’m not mad. Hopefully the markets don’t crash and disrupt your kid’s retirement plans. Actually, I hope they’re even saving for retirement because 401k balance averages by age group are chronically insufficient.

That’s what the annual gifts and inheritance are for.

Hence taking the easy way out. Thanks for making my point. Your grandfather would be so proud.