Kids becoming Firefighters and Cops

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Not everyone. But for plenty of us it isn’t that hard. Might be for you, which is why you don’t get it. Enjoy those long shifts, you resilient person you.

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Anonymous wrote:A non-supervisory Federal Special Agent in the DC area caps out at about $195k (50-hour workweek, most with take home cars). Even higher income if you work in an OIG office with FHFA, SEC, FDIC and a few others.

My son is a cop in a small city close to DC that has next to no crime and is populated with high income. Makes good money and pretty much gets to read and watch movies while waiting for the calls that never come.

Why are our tax payer dollars payong for this plus lifetime pensions (which even if they pay into, is still a large part tax payer funded)?? Ridiculous.

Fed employees were historically thought upon to be under compensated. I worked for 29 years as an agent and have been collecting a pension since age 50 which is 72% of my high 3 plus annual COLAs plus SS when I’m ready to draw. Can’t complain but that’s under the old retirement system.

By the bragging posts re salary they are no longer under compensated and pensions need to go. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and stop living high on the tax payer dime while you read books during your shift and get pension for life.

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Anonymous wrote:A non-supervisory Federal Special Agent in the DC area caps out at about $195k (50-hour workweek, most with take home cars). Even higher income if you work in an OIG office with FHFA, SEC, FDIC and a few others.

My son is a cop in a small city close to DC that has next to no crime and is populated with high income. Makes good money and pretty much gets to read and watch movies while waiting for the calls that never come.

Why are our tax payer dollars payong for this plus lifetime pensions (which even if they pay into, is still a large part tax payer funded)?? Ridiculous.

Fed employees were historically thought upon to be under compensated. I worked for 29 years as an agent and have been collecting a pension since age 50 which is 72% of my high 3 plus annual COLAs plus SS when I’m ready to draw. Can’t complain but that’s under the old retirement system.

By the bragging posts re salary they are no longer under compensated and pensions need to go. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and stop living high on the tax payer dime while you read books during your shift and get pension for life.

Just articulating some of the factors as to why I chose this profession (federal agent). The pay and pension was decent and I had a blast doing it!

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

If there are no Fortune 500 jobs, there won’t be any police or firefighter jobs because jurisdictions will not have any money as everyone becomes serfs trying to sell each other HVAC services (another stupid hobby horse, as if everyone is in trades, demand plummets).

I guess you can join a billionaires private security team?

No, they’ll always be around to deal with criminals, to include the recently unemployed white collar looters and domestic batterers.

There is always a need. But who is PAYING them???

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

Well, this blanket premise is wrong so looks like this thread doesn’t really serve a purpose.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A non-supervisory Federal Special Agent in the DC area caps out at about $195k (50-hour workweek, most with take home cars). Even higher income if you work in an OIG office with FHFA, SEC, FDIC and a few others.

My son is a cop in a small city close to DC that has next to no crime and is populated with high income. Makes good money and pretty much gets to read and watch movies while waiting for the calls that never come.

Why are our tax payer dollars payong for this plus lifetime pensions (which even if they pay into, is still a large part tax payer funded)?? Ridiculous.

Your state and local representatives feel differently. It’s not just firefighters and police getting pensions. You should have chosen jobs more carefully.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Not everyone. But for plenty of us it isn’t that hard. Might be for you, which is why you don’t get it. Enjoy those long shifts, you resilient person you.

What a zinger!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A non-supervisory Federal Special Agent in the DC area caps out at about $195k (50-hour workweek, most with take home cars). Even higher income if you work in an OIG office with FHFA, SEC, FDIC and a few others.

My son is a cop in a small city close to DC that has next to no crime and is populated with high income. Makes good money and pretty much gets to read and watch movies while waiting for the calls that never come.

Why are our tax payer dollars payong for this plus lifetime pensions (which even if they pay into, is still a large part tax payer funded)?? Ridiculous.

Your state and local representatives feel differently. It’s not just firefighters and police getting pensions. You should have chosen jobs more carefully.

So you are saying we should all work for the government because government jobs are better than private sector? The irony is that the folks that espouse this view also tend to be Republicans who hate paying taxes. Sorry no, cut the pensions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A non-supervisory Federal Special Agent in the DC area caps out at about $195k (50-hour workweek, most with take home cars). Even higher income if you work in an OIG office with FHFA, SEC, FDIC and a few others.

My son is a cop in a small city close to DC that has next to no crime and is populated with high income. Makes good money and pretty much gets to read and watch movies while waiting for the calls that never come.

Why are our tax payer dollars payong for this plus lifetime pensions (which even if they pay into, is still a large part tax payer funded)?? Ridiculous.

Your state and local representatives feel differently. It’s not just firefighters and police getting pensions. You should have chosen jobs more carefully.

Only 15 percent of private sector employees get a defined benefit plan. Are you an out of touch boomer who still thinks pensions are common?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Why should my taxpayer dollars fund lifetime pensions for these roles when other back breaking work like nurses earn similar income, deal with risks including safety and health, and don't get pensions? Stop the madness, stop paying lifetime pensions, fund your own retirement the way the rest of us do!!

Workers also pay into their pensions over the course of their career and that money compounds over time. Don’t hate on people that choose an occupation that provides a pension. Additionally, why do you think firemen and police officers don’t also have Roth IRAs or other deferred compensation plans?

Taxpayers fund over 50 percent of state police pensions. Pensions generally don't exist much in the private sector anymore, just small matches on 401ks. Mainly government jobs. We need to stop paying crazy pension funds, that is money that could go to better use. Be self sufficient and fund your own dang retirement without taxpayer funds. This is an insane cost to expect taxpayers to continue to fund when others do just fine without it!

The only people who do “just fine” make far far more than the pensioned employees. Everyone making equivalent salary has a hard scrabble “Walmart greeter” retirement.

Walmart greeters make 100k or more? Huh? The whole point of this thread is that cops and fire fighters are making good money, better than paper pushers. If paper pushers don't get pensions see no reason to subsidize the income of cops who make the same or more.

A cop makings over $100k is in California, where that probably qualifies for housing assistance.

The bigger money is only in overtime, which is great for them but they also need to stop working way younger than a paper pusher.

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Anonymous wrote:I would prefer our economy to be robust such that people are not reliant on government jobs to survive. Republicans seem pro government jobs and that this is where we should be pushing our kids rather than private sector, for the salaries, benefit, and lifelong pensions on the taxpayer dime?? Do you hear yourselves?

“Those people” are in the “moocjing government jobs”

“Our people” are “public servants.”

Get it yet?

Firefighting and law enforcement isn’t for the “me, me” generation that wants to WFH and post on Instagram about living their best life. It’s for resilient people that aren’t afraid of in person work, long shifts, and have the ability to work under life and death pressures.

Bolded is a weird way of saying “can’t find an easier job that pays as well or better.”

Bolded is a weird comment that the poster probably thought was some sort of flex. Imagine a parent championing the easy way out for their children? Those are the parents churning out low skill, low will workers.

No, they’re churning out Fortune 500 employees that make twice as much to WFH three days a week. Sorry you bought into the puritan worldview instead of the epicurean one.

Right. The DCUM fallacy. Everyone’s child is a superstar. It’s cute. IB & PE for everyone. Silicon Valley is full of kids from Fairfax.

It’ll be interesting as AI eats away at “Fortune 500” jobs, but not the firefighter and police jobs.

Not everyone. But for plenty of us it isn’t that hard. Might be for you, which is why you don’t get it. Enjoy those long shifts, you resilient person you.

What a zinger!

Don’t be mad because you tried to tout something crappy about a job as a virtue and then had to have it explained to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be mad because you tried to tout something crappy about a job as a virtue and then had to have it explained to you.

I’m not mad. Hopefully the markets don’t crash and disrupt your kid’s retirement plans. Actually, I hope they’re even saving for retirement because 401k balance averages by age group are chronically insufficient.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be mad because you tried to tout something crappy about a job as a virtue and then had to have it explained to you.

I’m not mad. Hopefully the markets don’t crash and disrupt your kid’s retirement plans. Actually, I hope they’re even saving for retirement because 401k balance averages by age group are chronically insufficient.

Ah yes we should all be reliant on the government for our salaries, the path to prosperity is the government paying universal basic income, right? Screw private sector jobs, let the government employ us all!