Kids becoming Firefighters and Cops

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Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

Honestly, I’m fine with cops making good money. It reduces risk of corruption from desperation, and if I had a job where I could get AIDS from a needle stick checking someone’s pocket, it seems like a fair trade, on top of the usual people may shoot at you or run you over.

Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

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-RN

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

A friend’s daughter is a flight nurse in a helicopter. She makes over $120,000 and only works 8 days a month. Every overtime shift she picks up is a guaranteed $2,000+.

Yea flight nurses are a highly specialized, small subset of nurses. Now do medsurg RNs in suburbia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

six figures has not been a thing in 30-40 years. Today six figures at 100K you are at eating at the food bank living with roomates in a dumpy apt in HCOL areas or you could be making 999K and living in a Park Ave Coop or Chevy Chase md.

I recall back in 1982 my Moms big Boss made 100K and he was rich. Today thats barely a garabage mans salary in a poor town.

My spouse and I earn 130k each, live in a single family home in an excellent school district in Fairfax county, take vacations in Europe every other year (thanks Chase Sapphire), no family help, paid off student loans and car loans, paid daycare for two children (one at a time,born 5 years apart) followed by aftercare, and we only made this salary by late 30s/early 40s. A little behind on retirement but have 850k in mid 40s after only starting 401ks 10 years ago. I think you are exaggerating a bit; two people with 100k salaries can manage. And we don't get pensions. So why should a cop getting 100k starting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

six figures has not been a thing in 30-40 years. Today six figures at 100K you are at eating at the food bank living with roomates in a dumpy apt in HCOL areas or you could be making 999K and living in a Park Ave Coop or Chevy Chase md.

I recall back in 1982 my Moms big Boss made 100K and he was rich. Today thats barely a garabage mans salary in a poor town.

My spouse and I earn 130k each, live in a single family home in an excellent school district in Fairfax county, take vacations in Europe every other year (thanks Chase Sapphire), no family help, paid off student loans and car loans, paid daycare for two children (one at a time,born 5 years apart) followed by aftercare, and we only made this salary by late 30s/early 40s. A little behind on retirement but have 850k in mid 40s after only starting 401ks 10 years ago. I think you are exaggerating a bit; two people with 100k salaries can manage. And we don't get pensions. So why should a cop getting 100k starting?

You make 260K not 130K. My Cop uncles all had stay at home wives. They worked long hours, weird shifts, two were detectives like you see on TV. And they mostly had 3-4 kids not just two. My Aunts went to school plays, graduations, weddings often by themselves.

I like to see you live your lifestyle if your husband made 130K as a cop and you have four kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

six figures has not been a thing in 30-40 years. Today six figures at 100K you are at eating at the food bank living with roomates in a dumpy apt in HCOL areas or you could be making 999K and living in a Park Ave Coop or Chevy Chase md.

I recall back in 1982 my Moms big Boss made 100K and he was rich. Today thats barely a garabage mans salary in a poor town.

Why do people pay to go to UVA to make significantly less than “a garbage man’s* salary in a poor town?”

* I added the punctuation you failed to include

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

A friend’s daughter is a flight nurse in a helicopter. She makes over $120,000 and only works 8 days a month. Every overtime shift she picks up is a guaranteed $2,000+.

Yea flight nurses are a highly specialized, small subset of nurses. Now do medsurg RNs in suburbia

Isn’t that a choice a person makes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You make 260K not 130K. My Cop uncles all had stay at home wives. They worked long hours, weird shifts, two were detectives like you see on TV. And they mostly had 3-4 kids not just two. My Aunts went to school plays, graduations, weddings often by themselves.

I like to see you live your lifestyle if your husband made 130K as a cop and you have four kids.

Are you aware that it’s 2026? Most families are dual income.

Our single son is doing well in a HCOL area.

No wife.

No kids.

The freedom to work overtime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP to add, and as long as teachers are paid far less, they can keep their pensions. But when we pay cops three figure entry level salaries?? They don't need a pension!! They can have LTC and disability if injured.

What if I told you our twenty-something son makes six figures, has a pension, a 457(b) with match, a personal Roth and high five figures in a high yield savings account? He’s eligible to retire at 50 but will probably work until 55 to maximize his pension.

six figures has not been a thing in 30-40 years. Today six figures at 100K you are at eating at the food bank living with roomates in a dumpy apt in HCOL areas or you could be making 999K and living in a Park Ave Coop or Chevy Chase md.

I recall back in 1982 my Moms big Boss made 100K and he was rich. Today thats barely a garabage mans salary in a poor town.

My spouse and I earn 130k each, live in a single family home in an excellent school district in Fairfax county, take vacations in Europe every other year (thanks Chase Sapphire), no family help, paid off student loans and car loans, paid daycare for two children (one at a time,born 5 years apart) followed by aftercare, and we only made this salary by late 30s/early 40s. A little behind on retirement but have 850k in mid 40s after only starting 401ks 10 years ago. I think you are exaggerating a bit; two people with 100k salaries can manage. And we don't get pensions. So why should a cop getting 100k starting?

You’re right. The person you’re replying to is either out of touch, has an axe to grind, or both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

A friend’s daughter is a flight nurse in a helicopter. She makes over $120,000 and only works 8 days a month. Every overtime shift she picks up is a guaranteed $2,000+.

Yea flight nurses are a highly specialized, small subset of nurses. Now do medsurg RNs in suburbia

Isn’t that a choice a person makes?

You are saying government jobs are the only good choices so a successful economy and country is one where everyone works for the government? No one should fo private sector because most won't make as much and won't get pensions? You really want us to go down a road where government jobs are the only good job options for most middle/lower class Americans????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

A friend’s daughter is a flight nurse in a helicopter. She makes over $120,000 and only works 8 days a month. Every overtime shift she picks up is a guaranteed $2,000+.

Yea flight nurses are a highly specialized, small subset of nurses. Now do medsurg RNs in suburbia

Isn’t that a choice a person makes?

You are saying government jobs are the only good choices so a successful economy and country is one where everyone works for the government? No one should fo private sector because most won't make as much and won't get pensions? You really want us to go down a road where government jobs are the only good job options for most middle/lower class Americans????

The post you referenced above was about a person working in a particular type of nursing. They could have chosen a different nursing job, or could work towards a higher paying nursing job. That was the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

A friend’s daughter is a flight nurse in a helicopter. She makes over $120,000 and only works 8 days a month. Every overtime shift she picks up is a guaranteed $2,000+.

Yea flight nurses are a highly specialized, small subset of nurses. Now do medsurg RNs in suburbia

Isn’t that a choice a person makes?

You are saying government jobs are the only good choices so a successful economy and country is one where everyone works for the government? No one should fo private sector because most won't make as much and won't get pensions? You really want us to go down a road where government jobs are the only good job options for most middle/lower class Americans????

The post you referenced above was about a person working in a particular type of nursing. They could have chosen a different nursing job, or could work towards a higher paying nursing job. That was the point.

The point is that cop salaries are high enough and that the tax funded portion of their retirement is no longer necessary

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be mad because you tried to tout something crappy about a job as a virtue and then had to have it explained to you.

I’m not mad. Hopefully the markets don’t crash and disrupt your kid’s retirement plans. Actually, I hope they’re even saving for retirement because 401k balance averages by age group are chronically insufficient.

That’s what the annual gifts and inheritance are for.

Hence taking the easy way out. Thanks for making my point. Your grandfather would be so proud.

Yeah, he would be, because he worked a hard, crappy job so that the people who came after him wouldn’t have to. He wasn’t a sucker that bought into the idea that hard work and long hours are virtuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses probably have similar needle stick and disease transmission, but usually the patients are not adversarial (maybe that is wishful thinking). Obv nurses should be paid better too.

A friend’s daughter is a flight nurse in a helicopter. She makes over $120,000 and only works 8 days a month. Every overtime shift she picks up is a guaranteed $2,000+.

Yea flight nurses are a highly specialized, small subset of nurses. Now do medsurg RNs in suburbia

Isn’t that a choice a person makes?

You are saying government jobs are the only good choices so a successful economy and country is one where everyone works for the government? No one should fo private sector because most won't make as much and won't get pensions? You really want us to go down a road where government jobs are the only good job options for most middle/lower class Americans????

The post you referenced above was about a person working in a particular type of nursing. They could have chosen a different nursing job, or could work towards a higher paying nursing job. That was the point.

The point is that cop salaries are high enough and that the tax funded portion of their retirement is no longer necessary

But they make less than a garbage man in a poor town.

Obviously people who allocate state and local funds feel differently than you. They seem to appreciate the effort and sacrifice of fire and police personnel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t be mad because you tried to tout something crappy about a job as a virtue and then had to have it explained to you.

I’m not mad. Hopefully the markets don’t crash and disrupt your kid’s retirement plans. Actually, I hope they’re even saving for retirement because 401k balance averages by age group are chronically insufficient.

That’s what the annual gifts and inheritance are for.

Hence taking the easy way out. Thanks for making my point. Your grandfather would be so proud.

Yeah, he would be, because he worked a hard, crappy job so that the people who came after him wouldn’t have to. He wasn’t a sucker that bought into the idea that hard work and long hours are virtuous.

Who said anything about virtue? First you mischaracterize what Epicurus taught, then you substitute virtuous for resilient. Apparently a trust fund can’t furnish intellect, or common sense.

[Anonymous]

Young men and women that are dedicated, mentally tough, and have a desire to help people in the community on their worst days choose occupations like these. The reason they earn a healthy living plus a decent pension is because many other people can’t do these jobs. Imagine chasing a large suspect down a dark alley at 1am, or carrying a child with burns out of a house fire. The same holds true for trauma/ER nurses. Generally they make decent money and many earn overtime.