DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:1. Georgia Avenue will become gridlocked, always

- Georgia Ave has been increasingly gridlocked since the removal of the streetcar system in DC. Eventually there is a limit to what the road can handle and we are very close to it already. This means that at some point there will need to be an alternative which brings me to…

2. Very few people ride the bus, and this isn't going to change that.

- many people ride the bus already and you don’t care about them at all so why should they care about you? If you want to sit in traffic then go ahead. Other people will choose to ride the bus.

3. If you live within a half mile of Georgia Avenue in either direction, you can expect an enormous increase in traffic on your street as tens of thousands of drivers cut through side streets to avoid Georgia Avenue.

- Good point. We should increase red zones and limit access to those side streets during key hours.

4. The city says this is needed to reduce speeding. It's worth nothing that a grand total of 9 people in Washington DC were killed by speeding drivers in 2022, the latest year from the police statistics.

- 9 people that should not have died. You seem ok with the loss of life. I’m sure that you assume it’s someone else so not your problem? But why should we make policy based on such a cold and heartless thought process?

https://buspriority.ddot.dc.gov/pages/georgiaavenw

Here's the number of deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers (per the police). Please point out when the many, many, many traffic calming measures the city has implemented started reducing traffic deaths.

2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 9
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11
2012: 5
2011: 15
2010: 8

But, also, not all deaths are driver-at-fault. There are drunk / high / otherwise stoopid people

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I would actually ride a bike more to get to places. Cars suck. The only reason I don't ride is because major roads are so, sooooo dangerous. People go 80 mph on 35 mph roads. There are tons of stupid drivers. They should make one lane roads everywhere and have bike lanes and bus lanes taking up the rest. People would stop being fat too.

Or - and this might be a novel idea - we could enforce traffic laws. I know it's never been tried before, so who knows how that would work. Perhaps there are other jurisdictions that have tried this novel approach we could look to.

Do you see a lot of cars getting pulled over in Manhattan? In downtown Seattle? In downtown Orlando? No? Gee. Wonder why. Urban gridlock makes pulling people over less than idea.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but a variety of different strategies need to come into play.

Both of these cities have tons of bike lanes. Manhattan literally closed all of 14th St to only buses and cars going one block. It is super heavenly to cross it now as a pedestrian

So leave Ga Ave alone and do this with our 14th street.

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So are they going to shift the truck traffic that currently has to take Georgia because of the restriction to the west back west onto Wisconsin or River?

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In most such investigations, police investigators have no feasible means of determining whether a car was above or below the speed limit in the lead up to the crash. This is not something that bystanders - if they exist - or the driver can or will reliably attest to. Sometimes camera footage can be used to determine speed, but this requires a fortuitous coincidence of circumstances that rarely occurs.

There are formulas they can use. The results are not very precise, though, even assuming they're accurate - which I don't. Also some of the cars do have data recorders. If it's a Tesla, there are also a lot of cameras on the car.

Based on those imprecise, inaccurate results, police can also do calculations about whether the person would have made it across the street if the driver had been driving more slowly.

There could even be a pre-determined hierarchy of causes, for example if a driver was drunk and speeding, it was a drunk-driving crash, because drunk driving takes priority over speeding. In that case, though, the "X Deaths Due To Speeding" poster's post would be even greater nonsense, because all of the other non-speeding crashes could also be speeding crashes. (Most probably are.)

That's not even getting into the whole issue of the reliability of police crash investigations. The people on the Metropolitan PD are law enforcement officers, not professional crash investigators. The MPD is not the National Transportation Safety Board.

What we do know is, the higher the speed of the car, the more likely the crash will be fatal. That's just basic physics.

Car hating weirdo big mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Wrecks his whole narrative.

Among the many sad things about you is that you still don’t understand - or at least don’t want to admit that you understand - that there is absolutely nothing in the tabulation you have presented to suggest that these people were killed by drivers who were obeying the speed limit. Just because someone tagged another cause as predominant - using whatever hierarchy they choose to use - does not mean that the driver was not speeding. This is so elementary that it pains me to have to explain it you.

And to add to that, we know from basic physics and decades of crash studies that the probability of death rises exponentially with speed. So, while the predominant reason for the crash may be determined to be another factor, the predominant reason for the death will almost always be speed. A drunk driver who runs a stop sign at 10mph may cause a crash, but most likely not a fatal one. Any driver that runs into a pedestrian at 35mph, on the other hand, has a better than even chance of killing them.

This is some tortured logic. This is like saying that if there's a car accident and a person died, the predominant reason for their death is that they chose to leave their house that day and they should have just stayed inside. But we get it: You want to blame speeding in all cases, regardless of what details of what actually happened.

I applaud you for fighting the good fight but you're never going to win on this board. The goal of posters on here (as they state) is for there to be a 10 mph speed limit everywhere. But then when people still die, they'll want cars banned entirely. I think the folks on here are the type that get in the left lane on I-95 and go 45 mph, and thereby cause major backups and a dangerous situation as everyone tries to manuveur around them, but are so proud of how virtuous they are by going under the speed limit.

As I have no doubt that you are the kind of person who does 90 mph on 495 while slaloming across three, sometimes four lanes of traffic, causing near collisions and major backups as other drivers brake to avoid hitting your stupid ass. Or maybe you’re the kind of person who does 40mph through residential neighborhoods in DC, running red lights and stop signs, causing pedestrians to scatter as you rush between stupidly-scheduled appointments.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Georgia Avenue will become gridlocked, always

- Georgia Ave has been increasingly gridlocked since the removal of the streetcar system in DC. Eventually there is a limit to what the road can handle and we are very close to it already. This means that at some point there will need to be an alternative which brings me to…

2. Very few people ride the bus, and this isn't going to change that.

- many people ride the bus already and you don’t care about them at all so why should they care about you? If you want to sit in traffic then go ahead. Other people will choose to ride the bus.

3. If you live within a half mile of Georgia Avenue in either direction, you can expect an enormous increase in traffic on your street as tens of thousands of drivers cut through side streets to avoid Georgia Avenue.

- Good point. We should increase red zones and limit access to those side streets during key hours.

4. The city says this is needed to reduce speeding. It's worth nothing that a grand total of 9 people in Washington DC were killed by speeding drivers in 2022, the latest year from the police statistics.

- 9 people that should not have died. You seem ok with the loss of life. I’m sure that you assume it’s someone else so not your problem? But why should we make policy based on such a cold and heartless thought process?

https://buspriority.ddot.dc.gov/pages/georgiaavenw

Here's the number of deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers (per the police). Please point out when the many, many, many traffic calming measures the city has implemented started reducing traffic deaths.

2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 9
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11
2012: 5
2011: 15
2010: 8

But, also, not all deaths are driver-at-fault. There are drunk / high / otherwise stoopid people

Uh huh, the "I didn't see him/her, he/she came out of nowhere" defense goes a long way when the subject of that conversation is lying splattered beneath some SUV and can't tell their side of the story.

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was just walking on Georgia Avenue foe about 20 minutes today and people were driving in an absolutely deranged way - flooring it between stoplights. And everyone (with the noble exception of a dude in a beater car with fake tags) absolutely refused to pull over for ambulances. It was crazy - the literally just sat there and forced the ambulance to drive intom oncoming traffic.

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But, also, not all deaths are driver-at-fault. There are drunk / high / otherwise stoopid people

Uh huh, the "I didn't see him/her, he/she came out of nowhere" defense goes a long way when the subject of that conversation is lying splattered beneath some SUV and can't tell their side of the story.

You are a disgusting human being. Drivers shouldn't have cart blanche to murder pedestrians simply because they were "drunk / high / otherwise stoopid people." That's why fixing GA Ave to reduce speeds and make it safer is the right move. GA Ave shouldn't be a dangerous car sewer just so you can get to wherever the hell you are going 30 seconds faster so you can live in your chosen awful suburban hellhole.

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But, also, not all deaths are driver-at-fault. There are drunk / high / otherwise stoopid people

Uh huh, the "I didn't see him/her, he/she came out of nowhere" defense goes a long way when the subject of that conversation is lying splattered beneath some SUV and can't tell their side of the story.

You are a disgusting human being. Drivers shouldn't have cart blanche to murder pedestrians simply because they were "drunk / high / otherwise stoopid people." That's why fixing GA Ave to reduce speeds and make it safer is the right move. GA Ave shouldn't be a dangerous car sewer just so you can get to wherever the hell you are going 30 seconds faster so you can live in your chosen awful suburban hellhole.

I hope you yourself don't drive, because you clearly have rage issues. Please seek help.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

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Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

[Mic drop]

Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

The car didnt turn off Georgia. The way people who want this stupid bus lane lie about the circumstances under which this child died is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Anonymous]

Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

Bus lanes don’t put kids’ lives in danger. Drivers who are distracted, who speed, and you don’t obey traffic signals put kids’ lives in danger. They do this both on side streets and arterial streets, where - as you apparently are not aware - many kids actually live and travel along.

Those who oppose traffic calming measures on arterial streets - either because they privilege the speed of their commute over others’ safety or because they still haven’t figured out that they live in a city - are the lowest form of bottom-feeding scum.

Your arguments are self-entitled and absurd. No one is buying them.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

[Mic drop]

Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

The car didnt turn off Georgia. The way people who want this stupid bus lane lie about the circumstances under which this child died is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

If you have the MPD investigation report handy, please post it for the rest of us to read.

Absent that, it’s hard for us to understand how you would know more about the circumstances of the crash than the dead kid’s uncle. He is remarkably clear about what caused the death of his uncle and how to prevent similar tragedies:

Zy'aire's uncle, Donald, said he has a five-year-old son that used to play with Zy'aire all the time. So, when he heard the news about his nephew, his heart shattered.

“That could have been my son. It could have been anyone else’s kid," Joshua said. "Georgia Avenue, people been speeding through there for years, just not paying attention to kids.”
Both he and his sister are frustrated that more safety changes weren't installed along Georgia Ave. before Zy'aire's death.

“They need to do something about that speeding and put some cameras and speed bumps so this doesn’t happen to another child," Smith said. "These are innocent kids who are only four or three years old and have a whole life ahead of him."

Her brother, Donald, is pleading for the government to take action now.
"Please do something about it, we're begging you," he said. "We don’t want to see another mother, another family, grieving over a child passing because of someone speeding on their street.”

Source: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-4-year-olds-mom-pleads-safety-changes-after-son-hit-and-killed-by-car/65-1d036b36-2f32-4791-8b13-e28f1474bb4b

It’s allow well and good for you to sling bullsh*t on an anonymous internet board, but many of us would pay good money for you to say what you are saying on here in front of Zy'aire's family. I’d wager you would be shut up rather quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

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Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

The car didnt turn off Georgia. The way people who want this stupid bus lane lie about the circumstances under which this child died is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I’m sure you’re very in favor of speed bumps on Kennedy too?