Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations

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Look, kids from central and South America aren’t going to foster care, they have relatives here already. They are more protected in this regard than an average white or black American child who might have no family willing to take them in.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

They don’t need to see how the Nazis did it.
We have our own game plans we can trot back out from the 1930s and 1955.
How’s that song go?
“We’ve done it before and we can do it again”

“These were the “repatriation drives,” a series of informal raids that took place around the United States during the Great Depression. Local governments and officials deported up to 1.8 million people to Mexico, according to research conducted by Joseph Dunn, a former California state senator. Dunn estimates around 60 percent of these people were actually American citizens, many of them born in the U.S. to first-generation immigrants. For these citizens, deportation wasn’t “repatriation”—it was exile from their country”

https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-repatriation-drives-mexico-deportation

That's the fear, IMO. This will lead to profiling, and fear, such that all brown looking people will feel the need to carry around their birth certificate or passport to prove that they are US citizens.

There are some Hispanics who support Trump, and it would be the height of irony for these people to get rounded up. It's like that restaurant owner in the midwest who voted for Trump, then her illegal immigrant husband who had lived here for over a decade got deported. She thought Trump would only go after "those" people, not her husband. How stupid she was.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/

There’s nothing wrong with carrying an ID that shows legal status

Says someone who won’t be stopped several times a day and Texas and asked for their papers. And sent to jail while it gets sorted out the one time you forgot them.

I don’t want to live in a “show me your papers” Soviet style police state. Even as a middle age white women who would never be asked.

There’s no need for random stops on the street.
Just asking for it at any government office will do the trick. We can exclude hospitals and schools because we are a humane nation.

Non-VA hospitals aren’t governmental.

SCOTUS says schools can’t ask.

What other governmental offices do you think illegal immigrants visit? I can’t think of any.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, kids from central and South America aren’t going to foster care, they have relatives here already. They are more protected in this regard than an average white or black American child who might have no family willing to take them in.

Way to generalize to 11 million people without any citation.

Plus, wouldn’t these theoretical relatives also be highly likely to be here illegally? You think mom and dad are illegal, but aunt and uncle are here legally? Aunt and uncle are being deported too, remember?

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years.

lol you make it sound like there are no uneducated American criminals! what's with insisting on superior results for children of the undocumented? their results will be exactly like average results of foster care children.

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The hit to the economy would be too big. We're currently struggling with not having ENOUGH people, trying to expel the most upwardly mobile demographic would be insane. Taxes would be up, sales woudl be down, supply chains jammed...

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.

And when that child that's never known anything but trauma and struggle one day robs you at gun point to feed themselves? Will you realize it's a societal problem then?

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years.

lol you make it sound like there are no uneducated American criminals! what's with insisting on superior results for children of the undocumented? their results will be exactly like average results of foster care children.

Hey— I work in this area. The whole foster care system needs a massive overhaul and much better funding. What it does to ALL kids is unconscionable. I think that’s a different thread though. My point is dumping 100,000 kids into a failed system is a bad idea. But yes, we agree that we should do much better by kids.

PS— these ARE American kids. Born here with citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.

And when that child that's never known anything but trauma and struggle one day robs you at gun point to feed themselves? Will you realize it's a societal problem then?

This is already happening by the hand of the local talent but no one is making DCUM threads about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

Can. But the parent does not have to take them. And if they are going back to extreme poverty, gangs, drug cartels and rapes of their 11 year olds, they may choose not to because the child is safer here, even in foster care. Many parents choose to for these reasons. And legally, they can because these American citizen kids can’t be deported.

MAGA likes to make these sweeping, it’s easy statements. Detain them (11 million people?). Deport the kids (illegal and good luck changing the constitution).

These are complicated problems, some of which have solutions that are classified as very bad vs even worse. If it was as easy as “send the kids too” of “mass deportation,” don’t you think someone would have done it? Like, say, your Orange idol when he was POTUS?

Don’t confuse Central American immigrants with an average American family. They all have relatives here already; kids stay with relatives.

Why aren’t we deporting the relatives? Isn’t it highly likely they are here illegally too? If so, why deport mom and dad but not the other relatives.

Common sense =/= MAGA

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years.

lol you make it sound like there are no uneducated American criminals! what's with insisting on superior results for children of the undocumented? their results will be exactly like average results of foster care children.

That isn’t a good thing. Not for any of the kids. All of whom are US citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone ever answer about how they are going to handle due process under the 5th and 14th Amendments? Even a migrant here illegally is still entitled to due process under the Constitution.

MAGAtt say “huh? Ignore it.”

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years.

lol you make it sound like there are no uneducated American criminals! what's with insisting on superior results for children of the undocumented? their results will be exactly like average results of foster care children.

That isn’t a good thing. Not for any of the kids. All of whom are US citizens.

The poor are always with us.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.

Except if a child is left behind, it is by a definition a problem the government has to solve. Why do you think DCFS exists? Or are you letting a 4 year old wander around with not adult responsible for them? Because, spoiler alert, that ends really badly for everyone.

Spoiler alert: the parents are letting their 4 year old wander around with no responsible adult caring for them.

How is pp causing that situation?

Again— even if the parents are 100% to blame, they’ve been deported. They are gone. And, you still have a 4 year old wandering around with no responsible adult. Do what do you do about it? Not whose fault is it. Blaming others is easy. How do you solve it.

Foster care. Exactly how you solve it for children with incarcerated parents.

1. The foster care system can’t handle the kids it has. Better be prepared to pay up to massively upscale it.
2. The foster care system has abysmal results and does not have a track record of producing adults who make positive contributions to society. But I guess that’s another problem we can ignore now, and hand off to your kids.

Look, if your solution aims to produce a McLean style childhood, then no, this cannot be done. Sometimes one chooses from an array of unattractive options. But don't pretend these solutions don't exist. Them's the breaks. I mean you're like someone with a cirrhotic liver demanding Olympic-caliber results. Don't drink to oblivion is the answer.

I would prefer a solution that produces functional adults. Not PhDs. Just able to self support and not be a drain on society.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years.

lol you make it sound like there are no uneducated American criminals! what's with insisting on superior results for children of the undocumented? their results will be exactly like average results of foster care children.

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So the horrific foster care system has to be reformed for children of illegal immigrants who abandon their children in the US? Why can’t we reform the foster care system for the safety and improved outcomes for all kids, for those kids? The kids in foster care deserve a better life. Taking care of them for their qol vs taking care of them so they don’t become “criminals,” wtf is wrong with you? They didn’t ask to be abandoned into a foster home and not have a loving family.

The foster care system isn’t about you and how the poor kids trapped in it affect your life.

If illegal immigrants put their kids in foster care- that’s their choice. If it’s good enough for the white and black kids in it, hispanic American children will have to make do.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years.

lol you make it sound like there are no uneducated American criminals! what's with insisting on superior results for children of the undocumented? their results will be exactly like average results of foster care children.

The kids left behind are Americans.