MCPS is no longer a desirable school district

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you know the size of your kids’ classes, before the announcement of increases. Last year our Pyle 6th grader had 34 in English. And just as many in history. DC explained that they never discussed the books, too many discipline problems, a lot of worksheets and filling out mad libs style essays. That’s not an education. A lot of ostriches here.

Have you brought that up with the teacher, English team , principal? Even your PTA? This may not be everyone’s experience. Which is part of the problem, consistency across school and district.

But even when people tell their experiences with MCPS, other posters here insist we're lying or exaggerating, because they refuse to break up with the "MCPS is great" mythology that they're wedded to.

It's because they work for mcps. I haven't met a parent who is thrilled with the education in 6 or so years. Early elementary everyone is rosey but come late elementary and above, people know what's going on. Most won't speak up while their larla is still at the schools.

Ok you keep thinking that. Seems that some people want everyone to think like them.

You're not throwing anyone off the scent by acting like you're not MCPS staff. The good MCPS staff speak out about the poor conditions and decline. The bad ones, like yourself, gas light and spread propaganda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you know the size of your kids’ classes, before the announcement of increases. Last year our Pyle 6th grader had 34 in English. And just as many in history. DC explained that they never discussed the books, too many discipline problems, a lot of worksheets and filling out mad libs style essays. That’s not an education. A lot of ostriches here.

Have you brought that up with the teacher, English team , principal? Even your PTA? This may not be everyone’s experience. Which is part of the problem, consistency across school and district.

But even when people tell their experiences with MCPS, other posters here insist we're lying or exaggerating, because they refuse to break up with the "MCPS is great" mythology that they're wedded to.

It's because they work for mcps. I haven't met a parent who is thrilled with the education in 6 or so years. Early elementary everyone is rosey but come late elementary and above, people know what's going on. Most won't speak up while their larla is still at the schools.

Ok you keep thinking that. Seems that some people want everyone to think like them.

You're not throwing anyone off the scent by acting like you're not MCPS staff. The good MCPS staff speak out about the poor conditions and decline. The bad ones, like yourself, gas light and spread propaganda.

First of all, I stated that there are many things about MCPS that irk me, but where they excel is in the programs and opportunities available for practically any child. My own child is benefiting greatly, and I know many others who are too. I'm really sorry that this positive comment I made about MCPS upset you so much that you're now convinced I or anyone who is having a good experience is an MCPS employee. Calm down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you know the size of your kids’ classes, before the announcement of increases. Last year our Pyle 6th grader had 34 in English. And just as many in history. DC explained that they never discussed the books, too many discipline problems, a lot of worksheets and filling out mad libs style essays. That’s not an education. A lot of ostriches here.

Have you brought that up with the teacher, English team , principal? Even your PTA? This may not be everyone’s experience. Which is part of the problem, consistency across school and district.

But even when people tell their experiences with MCPS, other posters here insist we're lying or exaggerating, because they refuse to break up with the "MCPS is great" mythology that they're wedded to.

It's because they work for mcps. I haven't met a parent who is thrilled with the education in 6 or so years. Early elementary everyone is rosey but come late elementary and above, people know what's going on. Most won't speak up while their larla is still at the schools.

Ok you keep thinking that. Seems that some people want everyone to think like them.

You're not throwing anyone off the scent by acting like you're not MCPS staff. The good MCPS staff speak out about the poor conditions and decline. The bad ones, like yourself, gas light and spread propaganda.

First of all, I stated that there are many things about MCPS that irk me, but where they excel is in the programs and opportunities available for practically any child. My own child is benefiting greatly, and I know many others who are too. I'm really sorry that this positive comment I made about MCPS upset you so much that you're now convinced I or anyone who is having a good experience is an MCPS employee. Calm down.

I never said or claimed there are no positive experiences to be had in MCPS. I literally said it's a mixed bag with some good schools and bad schools. Then you challenged me on whether there are in fact bad schools in MCPS.

I think you're the one who needs to calm down and maybe let other people share their thoughts and opinions without telling they're wrong or they're made up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you know the size of your kids’ classes, before the announcement of increases. Last year our Pyle 6th grader had 34 in English. And just as many in history. DC explained that they never discussed the books, too many discipline problems, a lot of worksheets and filling out mad libs style essays. That’s not an education. A lot of ostriches here.

Have you brought that up with the teacher, English team , principal? Even your PTA? This may not be everyone’s experience. Which is part of the problem, consistency across school and district.

But even when people tell their experiences with MCPS, other posters here insist we're lying or exaggerating, because they refuse to break up with the "MCPS is great" mythology that they're wedded to.

It's because they work for mcps. I haven't met a parent who is thrilled with the education in 6 or so years. Early elementary everyone is rosey but come late elementary and above, people know what's going on. Most won't speak up while their larla is still at the schools.

Ok you keep thinking that. Seems that some people want everyone to think like them.

You're not throwing anyone off the scent by acting like you're not MCPS staff. The good MCPS staff speak out about the poor conditions and decline. The bad ones, like yourself, gas light and spread propaganda.

First of all, I stated that there are many things about MCPS that irk me, but where they excel is in the programs and opportunities available for practically any child. My own child is benefiting greatly, and I know many others who are too. I'm really sorry that this positive comment I made about MCPS upset you so much that you're now convinced I or anyone who is having a good experience is an MCPS employee. Calm down.

I never said or claimed there are no positive experiences to be had in MCPS. I literally said it's a mixed bag with some good schools and bad schools. Then you challenged me on whether there are in fact bad schools in MCPS.

I think you're the one who needs to calm down and maybe let other people share their thoughts and opinions without telling they're wrong or they're made up.

Stop being delulu - I never said any of these things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The MS curriculum (non magnet) is abysmal. The foreign language (frequently taught by non-native speakers who don't actually speak the language), science, and English are a disaster. If you're math tracked, you can get in a good class with a good teacher.

Those of us who have been around a while (hint, working in the schools and as parents) have seen and experienced the changes, and it's not good at any level, ES, MS, HS.

It could be better, but compensating for this doesn't take much. Try encouraging your child to read.

This is funny, because our kids are in college, both top 20 schools, both ED, both went to what was then called the GT program in 4th and 5th, then one returned to home school and one went to a magnet middle, and both did magnet programs for HS. I also have worked in MCPS in ES, MS and HS over the past 20 years. Our kids are avid readers, and always have been.

Having educated parents helps, but doesn't fully make up for the dumpster fire MCPS has become.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The MS curriculum (non magnet) is abysmal. The foreign language (frequently taught by non-native speakers who don't actually speak the language), science, and English are a disaster. If you're math tracked, you can get in a good class with a good teacher.

Those of us who have been around a while (hint, working in the schools and as parents) have seen and experienced the changes, and it's not good at any level, ES, MS, HS.

It could be better, but compensating for this doesn't take much. Try encouraging your child to read.

This is funny, because our kids are in college, both top 20 schools, both ED, both went to what was then called the GT program in 4th and 5th, then one returned to home school and one went to a magnet middle, and both did magnet programs for HS. I also have worked in MCPS in ES, MS and HS over the past 20 years. Our kids are avid readers, and always have been.

Having educated parents helps, but doesn't fully make up for the dumpster fire MCPS has become.

It seems you're not fully informed. MCPS is far from being a mess. The real issue lies with parents who expect the county to raise their kids for them. I have a child in the RMIB program and another in Blair SMCS, and both have thrived, receiving a much better education than I did at MCPS 30 years ago. It seems like anyone who actually cares about education is doing great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The MS curriculum (non magnet) is abysmal. The foreign language (frequently taught by non-native speakers who don't actually speak the language), science, and English are a disaster. If you're math tracked, you can get in a good class with a good teacher.

Those of us who have been around a while (hint, working in the schools and as parents) have seen and experienced the changes, and it's not good at any level, ES, MS, HS.

It could be better, but compensating for this doesn't take much. Try encouraging your child to read.

This is funny, because our kids are in college, both top 20 schools, both ED, both went to what was then called the GT program in 4th and 5th, then one returned to home school and one went to a magnet middle, and both did magnet programs for HS. I also have worked in MCPS in ES, MS and HS over the past 20 years. Our kids are avid readers, and always have been.

Having educated parents helps, but doesn't fully make up for the dumpster fire MCPS has become.

It seems you're not fully informed. MCPS is far from being a mess. The real issue lies with parents who expect the county to raise their kids for them. I have a child in the RMIB program and another in Blair SMCS, and both have thrived, receiving a much better education than I did at MCPS 30 years ago. It seems like anyone who actually cares about education is doing great.

The DCUM MCPS discourse, right here in two posts.

Thesis: The problem is that MCPS IS THE WORST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Antithesis: No, the problem is PARENTS WHO EXPECT MCPS TO RAISE THEIR KIDS FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The MS curriculum (non magnet) is abysmal. The foreign language (frequently taught by non-native speakers who don't actually speak the language), science, and English are a disaster. If you're math tracked, you can get in a good class with a good teacher.

Those of us who have been around a while (hint, working in the schools and as parents) have seen and experienced the changes, and it's not good at any level, ES, MS, HS.

It could be better, but compensating for this doesn't take much. Try encouraging your child to read.

English teacher here: You actually need ELA and separate, targeted ELD (ESOL) curricula. Teaching English is more than just "read more." although reading is a key component.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The MS curriculum (non magnet) is abysmal. The foreign language (frequently taught by non-native speakers who don't actually speak the language), science, and English are a disaster. If you're math tracked, you can get in a good class with a good teacher.

Those of us who have been around a while (hint, working in the schools and as parents) have seen and experienced the changes, and it's not good at any level, ES, MS, HS.

It could be better, but compensating for this doesn't take much. Try encouraging your child to read.

English teacher here: You actually need ELA and separate, targeted ELD (ESOL) curricula. Teaching English is more than just "read more." although reading is a key component.

Y'know, Freud had it right. Sometimes a poem is just a poem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The MS curriculum (non magnet) is abysmal. The foreign language (frequently taught by non-native speakers who don't actually speak the language), science, and English are a disaster. If you're math tracked, you can get in a good class with a good teacher.

Those of us who have been around a while (hint, working in the schools and as parents) have seen and experienced the changes, and it's not good at any level, ES, MS, HS.

It could be better, but compensating for this doesn't take much. Try encouraging your child to read.

This is funny, because our kids are in college, both top 20 schools, both ED, both went to what was then called the GT program in 4th and 5th, then one returned to home school and one went to a magnet middle, and both did magnet programs for HS. I also have worked in MCPS in ES, MS and HS over the past 20 years. Our kids are avid readers, and always have been.

Having educated parents helps, but doesn't fully make up for the dumpster fire MCPS has become.

It seems you're not fully informed. MCPS is far from being a mess. The real issue lies with parents who expect the county to raise their kids for them. I have a child in the RMIB program and another in Blair SMCS, and both have thrived, receiving a much better education than I did at MCPS 30 years ago. It seems like anyone who actually cares about education is doing great.

The DCUM MCPS discourse, right here in two posts.

Thesis: The problem is that MCPS IS THE WORST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Antithesis: No, the problem is PARENTS WHO EXPECT MCPS TO RAISE THEIR KIDS FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

One group complains mostly because they're lazy and uninvolved. The other provides concrete examples and lived experience. The later is more credible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At Pyle there is only Honors English and special ed English. They claimed they had the higher history class, but they didn’t. Transcripts said one thing, class was mixed. The principal didn’t care, all
In the name of equity.

Not disputing but noting that is one school of 213. And of course there are others. The challenge is that folks generalize the entire district as being bad which is not correct, and it does real damage.

Conversely, folks generalize the district as being "good," when that doesn't match the lived experience for many in the district. Maybe we should all agree that MCPS is mixed at best. With some schools being good and some being bad.

Not really accurate either. The truth is people get out of it what they put into it. Plenty of MCPS kids get into top schools every year.

And this is a logical fallacy. Colleges are choosing from a universe of 12th graders in the country and many, many districts are struggling. Of course some of them are going to be the high IQ children of one of the most educated areas in the country. This does not mean that those students have learned as much as they are capable of, nor does it mean that MCPS is not degenerating with grade inflation, behavioral problems, etc. Why are you so willing to accept mediocrity? School systems should ALWAYS be striving for improvement.

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Anonymous wrote:The number if paid trolls by Cato in this thread is not zero. You can tell by the way their complaints repeat.

Whatever issues mcps has, we've reached a point in virtual culture where discourse is dominated by paid shill, and it happens as much in some local districts as upon the national stage.

You're a loon

DP but PP is correct. It's a known fact that there are/were paid trolls by Cato Institute trolling the MCPS forum.

Evidence?

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Anonymous wrote:The number if paid trolls by Cato in this thread is not zero. You can tell by the way their complaints repeat.

Whatever issues mcps has, we've reached a point in virtual culture where discourse is dominated by paid shill, and it happens as much in some local districts as upon the national stage.

You're a loon

DP but PP is correct. It's a known fact that there are/were paid trolls by Cato Institute trolling the MCPS forum.

Evidence?

Evidence is that the PP said it so it must be true, lol!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At Pyle there is only Honors English and special ed English. They claimed they had the higher history class, but they didn’t. Transcripts said one thing, class was mixed. The principal didn’t care, all
In the name of equity.

Not disputing but noting that is one school of 213. And of course there are others. The challenge is that folks generalize the entire district as being bad which is not correct, and it does real damage.

Conversely, folks generalize the district as being "good," when that doesn't match the lived experience for many in the district. Maybe we should all agree that MCPS is mixed at best. With some schools being good and some being bad.

Not really accurate either. The truth is people get out of it what they put into it. Plenty of MCPS kids get into top schools every year.

And this is a logical fallacy. Colleges are choosing from a universe of 12th graders in the country and many, many districts are struggling. Of course some of them are going to be the high IQ children of one of the most educated areas in the country. This does not mean that those students have learned as much as they are capable of, nor does it mean that MCPS is not degenerating with grade inflation, behavioral problems, etc. Why are you so willing to accept mediocrity? School systems should ALWAYS be striving for improvement.

School systems are always striving for improvement but their baseline is what they are sent from parents/society. They then deal with the constraints placed upon them by politicians. Imagine if public schools had the freedoms that private schools have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At Pyle there is only Honors English and special ed English. They claimed they had the higher history class, but they didn’t. Transcripts said one thing, class was mixed. The principal didn’t care, all
In the name of equity.

Not disputing but noting that is one school of 213. And of course there are others. The challenge is that folks generalize the entire district as being bad which is not correct, and it does real damage.

Conversely, folks generalize the district as being "good," when that doesn't match the lived experience for many in the district. Maybe we should all agree that MCPS is mixed at best. With some schools being good and some being bad.

Not really accurate either. The truth is people get out of it what they put into it. Plenty of MCPS kids get into top schools every year.

And this is a logical fallacy. Colleges are choosing from a universe of 12th graders in the country and many, many districts are struggling. Of course some of them are going to be the high IQ children of one of the most educated areas in the country. This does not mean that those students have learned as much as they are capable of, nor does it mean that MCPS is not degenerating with grade inflation, behavioral problems, etc. Why are you so willing to accept mediocrity? School systems should ALWAYS be striving for improvement.

Sure it does. It's not all that complicated.