Harvard President resigns

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post, New York Times and Atlantic all wrote pieces against Ms. Gay.

Ah, the liberal media strikes again!

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Anonymous wrote:Can all of Gay's defenders explain why they are so defensive of her? It's a bit puzzling given the revelation that her entire academic history is riddled with plagiarism. What is your point in defending her?

Is it because she's "Strong Black Woman" and you must always defend Strong Black Woman even if they turn out to be mediocre and corrupt?

"The more Fraudulent and Corrupt the Stronger, especially if Black" -- some dcum poster/s

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Anonymous wrote:It ended up exposing zionist power that much of the right denies.

It ended up exposing deep-seated Jew hatred in America and how most everyone was pretty ok with Jewish students being harassed.

Jewish students weren't harassed. It is the Zionist lobby trying to silence any opposition to Israeli genocide and apartheid of Palestinians by centering how wealthy white Ivy League college kids feel. It plays on the inherent racism in the US by trying to make the victims white kids living in affluent suburbs of Boston.

No student population in America should need to hide out in a locked room while students outside chant for intifada. You may find this acceptable, but most Americans don’t. Nice try though.

You and the Zionist movement have literally made up lies about calls for genocide. Intifada is not a genocide, it is a rebellion or uprising but you can twist that into any Arab hate that you like becuase it's socially acceptable.
And sorry, there are 25K murdered in Gaza by Israel. Israeli government has spewed its genocidal intentions all over Twitter without once considering the implications of a call for mass extermination. This has been a 75 year war on Palestinians with millions displaced, thousands murdered, and Israel grabbing even more land.

yet you keep centering rich white kids at Harvard. Give me a f-ing break. You're a racist who believes in Jewish supremacy and you keep deflecting to pretend that these wealthy kids are victims. They are not.

I live in the US, not Israel or Palestine. Let me know where the Jewish students are threatening Arabs to hide out in a locked library on college campuses in the US.

And I believe you may have missed the billboard trucks driving around college campuses doxxing Arab and POC students - publicizing names, address, and contacts for anyone support Palestine. And the McCarthy-like tactics of the Zionist movement to libel students (and professionals) who post support of Palestine. Orgs like Canary Mission have been endangering Arab/Pro-Pal students for months. Where's the anger there? Oh, I keep forgetting that only certain lives matter.

People are free to post whatever they want on billboards. Seeing information that you don’t like isn’t the same thing as threatening a group of students and disrupting individuals as they go about their business.

Jewish students were never threatened. Not once. But you keep pretending that Jewish students merely hearing or seeing others protest or chant in support of Palestine is an existential threat to them. It is not and never was. This is about redirecting the narrative so that the conversation is about the wealthy Ivy League kids and literally anything other than the genocide in Gaza. You know, the one where actual people are being slaughtered.

So in sum, seeing information that you don’t like isn’t the same thing as bombing a group of people and ending their lives as they go about their business.

I’m not the PP but I saw a terrible video of a Jewish student getting physically surrounded and threatened at Harvard that sure looks like that poor student was getting threatened. You discredit yourself when there is video proof you are wrong. Also I am not Jewish, before you start screaming Zionist or whatever nonsense you’ll spout.

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I have seen several videos; the harassment absolutely is occurring. There is no reasonable doubt about that. I’m also not Jewish; I am just observing documented facts here.

There is no harassment. Did you see the videos of the Palestinian students who were shot? the one who was in ICU? The video of the funeral for the shot Palestinian child? Or the IG for the Palestinian man beaten bloody outside a restaurant? So many dead and injured Arab Americans (and 24K+ dead Gazans) but the only thing that white America talks about is campus protests - where rich kids felt uncomfortable. It's madness.

Wow. The denialism is really deep. Well, I can’t engage with someone who doesn’t even admit to the existence of the videos showing Jewish students being threatened and harassed.

Of course I’ve seen the videos showing the suffering from pro-Palestinians as well. That is also awful. I’m not like you; I don’t deny actual videos of harassment and violence exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post, New York Times and Atlantic all wrote pieces against Ms. Gay.

Not only that, but the Times had front page stories on Gay every day for weeks. It’s just really strange considering how few
Americans are affected by who the president of Harvard is.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

Someone should explain how exactly such a mediocre academic ended up in such a position and making $900k while many more qualified ones, including Black, languish.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post, New York Times and Atlantic all wrote pieces against Ms. Gay.

Not only that, but the Times had front page stories on Gay every day for weeks. It’s just really strange considering how few
Americans are affected by who the president of Harvard is.

It is 100% ideological. The point was to remove a POC in power who believed in the ability to speak in favor of a Free Palestine. So she was removed and replaced with a strongly AIPAC/ADL replacement. The Israel lobby has has all the power in American politics and education.

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Anonymous wrote:OH SHIT!!! NEIL GORSUCH IS GOING TO HAVE TO RESIGN TOO!!!!

Can't wait for even MORE coverage of Gorsuch's plagiarism; given that he's way more important than Gay. The liberal New York Times has featured Gay in their top 5 stories on 12 different occasions in the last month. Buckle up Neil!

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/01/breaking-most-important-scandal-in-recent-american-political-and-legal-history

You're aware that this was already discussed across multiple posts, right?

Oh, good. When is he resigning? Which principled Republicans are regretfully calling for his ouster on account of their abiding concerns about the evils of plagiarism? Are they being called RINOs by white supremacists who are only using this plagiarism thing as a pretext to hate on an uppity black woman?

DP. Gorsuch is not an academic and also having looked at the supposed plagiarism from him, the allegations are really a stretch. That’s why the allegations never went far, because rational leftists realized they’d look like fools if they pursued them. The allegations only showed that the people raising them didn’t understand how legal writing works. No law professor would have objected to the way Gorsuch wrote, because he followed typical legal conventions.

Gay, on the other hand, is a current academic in charge of a university that punishes students for doing less than what she did, and where there was no convention that could defend that level of plagiarism.

Now Biden may be a different matter. I haven’t looked at the allegations against him closely so can’t say. But the Gorsuch allegations were dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, we sure put that Black woman in her place. This whole thread disgusts me.

This is clearly about a lot more than race, though, isn't it?

I mean, Liz Magill got run off first and Republicans are after MIT prez as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

I’ve seen many, many videos from both sides dating back many years. I have also read books from both sides.

You are going to have to live with the fact that rational people are able to consume sources from a variety of places and not believe only one side. For instance, the idea that I should automatically believe every word written by South Africa of all countries is categorically absurd.

Anyhow, you don’t seem rational so I’m done engaging.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

Someone should explain how exactly such a mediocre academic ended up in such a position and making $900k while many more qualified ones, including Black, languish.

I don't know. Why did nepo baby Jerry Falwell Jr. make $1.1 million in total compensation back in 2018 as president of Liberty University? He wasn't even an academic; he was a practicing lawyer when he got hired for the job. Surely there were many much more qualified individuals than Jerry Falwell at the time.

https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/liberty-pays-falwell-two-years-base-salary-in-severance-deal/#:~:text=The%20university%27s%202018%20financial%20disclosure,base%20pay%20of%20%241.09%20million

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

Someone should explain how exactly such a mediocre academic ended up in such a position and making $900k while many more qualified ones, including Black, languish.

I don't know. Why did nepo baby Jerry Falwell Jr. make $1.1 million in total compensation back in 2018 as president of Liberty University? He wasn't even an academic; he was a practicing lawyer when he got hired for the job. Surely there were many much more qualified individuals than Jerry Falwell at the time.

https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/liberty-pays-falwell-two-years-base-salary-in-severance-deal/#:~:text=The%20university%27s%202018%20financial%20disclosure,base%20pay%20of%20%241.09%20million

Agreed. The two have a lot in common in this regard.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

Someone should explain how exactly such a mediocre academic ended up in such a position and making $900k while many more qualified ones, including Black, languish.

I don't know. Why did nepo baby Jerry Falwell Jr. make $1.1 million in total compensation back in 2018 as president of Liberty University? He wasn't even an academic; he was a practicing lawyer when he got hired for the job. Surely there were many much more qualified individuals than Jerry Falwell at the time.

https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/liberty-pays-falwell-two-years-base-salary-in-severance-deal/#:~:text=The%20university%27s%202018%20financial%20disclosure,base%20pay%20of%20%241.09%20million

Agreed. The two have a lot in common in this regard.

Indeed. Harvard has become a religious indoctrination camp run by a very small group of insiders, exactly like Liberty U.

So let's treat both the same way.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post, New York Times and Atlantic all wrote pieces against Ms. Gay.

Not only that, but the Times had front page stories on Gay every day for weeks. It’s just really strange considering how few
Americans are affected by who the president of Harvard is.

Few Americans are affected by the president of Harvard, but a lot of NYT-connected people are affected. Not a huge story to the vast majority of people not living in a liberal elite bubble, but a big story to the liberal elites who run the big national news outlets.