Pro Israel demonstration in DC?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post:

Others brandished homemade signs declaring, “Make Gaza Flat Again.”

Well, that's definitely a call for peace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/11/14/march-for-israel-dc-rally-national-mall/

And when individuals carried - and carry - signs during free Palestine matches depicting cleaning the world of Jews and chanting gas the Jews etc that’s a call for peace? I remember pro- Palestine supporters saying “but it’s just one!!!” Can’t judge all by one”

Ok, so which is it?

Are both examples isolated extremist outliers or not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

[Anonymous]

I was at the march and was amazed at how much disagreement among Israel’s supporters there are, not to mention differences among Jews. I’d say the majority there are more opposed to antisemitism and less rah rah about Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

So the speakers are offering their thoughts and prayers for the ten thousand Palestinians Israel has murdered and the millions it has forced from their homes? Wow. Good for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post:

Others brandished homemade signs declaring, “Make Gaza Flat Again.”

Well, that's definitely a call for peace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/11/14/march-for-israel-dc-rally-national-mall/

And when individuals carried - and carry - signs during free Palestine matches depicting cleaning the world of Jews and chanting gas the Jews etc that’s a call for peace? I remember pro- Palestine supporters saying “but it’s just one!!!” Can’t judge all by one”

Ok, so which is it?

Are both examples isolated extremist outliers or not?

Yes, but in the case of pro Palestinian marchers there are more such extreme individual examples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

So, basically everyone in this rally talks out of both sides of their mouths, on one side they talk about innocent lives and the other side they are shouting for Israel to finish the job, continue bombing so more civilians can be killed. What a sorry bunch of hypocrites!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

You are completely delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

You are completely delusional.

NP here, but what is delusional about this post? I am disturbed by the fervor of the far right to support Israel in ways that seem troubling, sometimes even antisemitic (Christian fundamentalists).

I’m not being sarcastic. Genuinely asking what is delusional. I’m wondering if Jews have gone too far in our support for Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

You are completely delusional.

What I call delusional are the pro-genocide denialists who pretend like they haven't been in favor of displacing millions of Palestinians from their homes. When you takeover land that has millions of native inhabitants, what do you think will happen to them? Zionism is colonialism and we should not be having valid discussions on these issues in 2023. The fact that you believe the right of Palestinians born and raised in the region can be displaced by immigrants from Europe and the US who had not stepped foot in Palestinian for 2000 years is shocking and abhorrent.

We need to start calling Israel out for the war crimes and terrorism that it has undertaken daily for the past 75 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if a pro Israel rally is planned for DC area as a counter to all the Palestinian protests that have taken place?

I believe it is a rally supporting Israel, to fight against anti-Semitism, and also a call to release the hostages.

It is a rally to call for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians people. And because they get $300B to do it, I guess they're pretty comfortable in their request.

No.
It’s a call to support Israel and to support Jews who can hold two things in their heads and hearts at once: Desire for Israelis to live in peace and security (and Jews there and elsewhere not to be exterminated as Hamas and their supporters would like) and an end to violence which also means an end to bombings in Gaza, humanitarian aid to people in Gaza, and return of hostages.

Many who I know attending want bombing to end, peace for Palestinians, statehood for Palestinians, peace for Israelis, they are critics of the Netanyahu government.

If you don’t want pro-Palestinians painted as terrorist loving Jew haters then don’t stereotype those attending a pro-Israel march.

I watched it live for some time and they are not calling for peace or a ceasefire. The tone is very nationalistic

I have watched for a while.
Mostly students speaking up to this point. They express pride in their Judaism. They are also speaking to the antisemitism they have suffered.
I have heard at least 3 speakers talk about the hostages and how they need to be released.
Make that 4 speakers. Another one just spoke about it.

So tone deaf for the wealthy college kids to talk about their suffering when Gazan children have literally had their body parts blown off in strikes. Entire families disintegrated. But we're getting tears from students re: how hard it was to watch protests calling for peace. Disgusting

Weird—I thought wealthy college kids are anti-Israel, or at least cosplaying as freedom fighters.

Some are, but the dirty little secret is that a significant percentage of the protestors on campus are here on a student visa, and they're engaging in intimidation and sometimes violence against American citizens.

Unless you can provide a cite, my guess is that student visa holders do not comprise a significant percentage of the posters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

You are completely delusional.

NP here, but what is delusional about this post? I am disturbed by the fervor of the far right to support Israel in ways that seem troubling, sometimes even antisemitic (Christian fundamentalists).

I’m not being sarcastic. Genuinely asking what is delusional. I’m wondering if Jews have gone too far in our support for Israel.

How about the characterization of people asking for child hostages to be released as "complete and utter monsters?" Do you thank that's something a rational person would say.

I'm not Jewish. But, I support Israel because they're an (imperfect) democracy fighting a death cult who sends fighters to rape and murder people at a music festival. It's a pretty easy call who to support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if a pro Israel rally is planned for DC area as a counter to all the Palestinian protests that have taken place?

I believe it is a rally supporting Israel, to fight against anti-Semitism, and also a call to release the hostages.

It is a rally to call for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians people. And because they get $300B to do it, I guess they're pretty comfortable in their request.

No.
It’s a call to support Israel and to support Jews who can hold two things in their heads and hearts at once: Desire for Israelis to live in peace and security (and Jews there and elsewhere not to be exterminated as Hamas and their supporters would like) and an end to violence which also means an end to bombings in Gaza, humanitarian aid to people in Gaza, and return of hostages.

Many who I know attending want bombing to end, peace for Palestinians, statehood for Palestinians, peace for Israelis, they are critics of the Netanyahu government.

If you don’t want pro-Palestinians painted as terrorist loving Jew haters then don’t stereotype those attending a pro-Israel march.

I watched it live for some time and they are not calling for peace or a ceasefire. The tone is very nationalistic

I have watched for a while.
Mostly students speaking up to this point. They express pride in their Judaism. They are also speaking to the antisemitism they have suffered.
I have heard at least 3 speakers talk about the hostages and how they need to be released.
Make that 4 speakers. Another one just spoke about it.

So tone deaf for the wealthy college kids to talk about their suffering when Gazan children have literally had their body parts blown off in strikes. Entire families disintegrated. But we're getting tears from students re: how hard it was to watch protests calling for peace. Disgusting

Weird—I thought wealthy college kids are anti-Israel, or at least cosplaying as freedom fighters.

Some are, but the dirty little secret is that a significant percentage of the protestors on campus are here on a student visa, and they're engaging in intimidation and sometimes violence against American citizens.

Unless you can provide a cite, my guess is that student visa holders do not comprise a significant percentage of the posters.

It's that good old racism again. Of course we believe that the Pro-Israel Jewish kids are Americans because of their whiteness but the Arab-looking, POC kids must be foreigners. And in the same breathe the pro-Israel folks keep telling us how persecuted they are. Not buying it this time. Sorry, folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post:

Others brandished homemade signs declaring, “Make Gaza Flat Again.”

Well, that's definitely a call for peace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/11/14/march-for-israel-dc-rally-national-mall/

And when individuals carried - and carry - signs during free Palestine matches depicting cleaning the world of Jews and chanting gas the Jews etc that’s a call for peace? I remember pro- Palestine supporters saying “but it’s just one!!!” Can’t judge all by one”

Ok, so which is it?

Are both examples isolated extremist outliers or not?

Yes, but in the case of pro Palestinian marchers there are more such extreme individual examples.

Not sure what you think is extreme, but I have not seen any racist or antisemitic signs at any of the pro-Palestine marches. I have seen a lot of anti-Zionist signs, but you can hardly expect a Palestinian to support Zionism! Why wouldn’t they march against it?