Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

Of course they don’t all want to go there. But here’s the thing: most in state kids who do get into UVA do end up going, and the ones who don’t go usually end up at very prestigious schools or are getting a heck of a lot of money to go elsewhere. And the ones who aren’t getting in? Well, you know many of them would have gone if they could.

Citation?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who got into uva/W&m/va tech. Ended up at Indiana. I would say in the 4 years, probably had very few if any classes where they didn’t know someone from the dmv. Once they got to Kelley it was usually multiple dmv kids in their class. Upon graduation most of his friends ended up in Chicago, NYC, Boston, Indianapolis and San Francisco., and this includes some of the dmv kids. Not sure what the poster hang up is on uva and being worldly. In Kelley, barring COVID times, you need a passport cause they are required classes that have international travel in them. They take a 12 credit semester class where the school chooses the teams and each team has a west coast kid, east coast kid, Indiana kid, international kid. Some of us parents have only role in the entire college process. And that is to write the check.

That's great for your kid. If my kid got into all three of those schools, we'd have to have a long discussion about the 15k a year price difference

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Lots of Illinois residents in the Chicagoland area have zero interest in attending their flagship school in UC. The academics are good enough, but the location is a turnoff for those students who don’t desire a more rural out of the way setting for four years. I imagine if UVA were as large as UIUC they might have a similar situation. I do recall that before ED was initiated, the yield at UVA was quite a bit lower than its public flagship peers.

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Anonymous wrote:“You're looking for ways to justify your own insecurities.“


No, you’re looking for ways to justify a lack a lack of curiosity and a fear of adventure.

The vanity of people here who assume you have to be crazy or stupid to want to experience a public university that isn’t in College Park or Charlottesville reminds me of those New Yorkers who think everybody in the world spends all day trying to figure out how they might possibly be lucky enough to someday live in NYC. Get over yourselves. College isn’t one size fits all.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

Of course they don’t all want to go there. But here’s the thing: most in state kids who do get into UVA do end up going, and the ones who don’t go usually end up at very prestigious schools or are getting a heck of a lot of money to go elsewhere. And the ones who aren’t getting in? Well, you know many of them would have gone if they could.

Citation?

NP. for HS class of 2022, yield was 57%
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=234076

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who got into uva/W&m/va tech. Ended up at Indiana. I would say in the 4 years, probably had very few if any classes where they didn’t know someone from the dmv. Once they got to Kelley it was usually multiple dmv kids in their class. Upon graduation most of his friends ended up in Chicago, NYC, Boston, Indianapolis and San Francisco., and this includes some of the dmv kids. Not sure what the poster hang up is on uva and being worldly. In Kelley, barring COVID times, you need a passport cause they are required classes that have international travel in them. They take a 12 credit semester class where the school chooses the teams and each team has a west coast kid, east coast kid, Indiana kid, international kid. Some of us parents have only role in the entire college process. And that is to write the check.

That's great for your kid. If my kid got into all three of those schools, we'd have to have a long discussion about the 15k a year price difference

Maybe the increase in OOS enrollment is due to increase in VA wealth. Parents are no longer restricting their kids to state schools for financial reasons.

Two of my mom friends said their parents forced them go to UVA over an Ivy and top 10 school. They are still bitter about it and said they won’t do the same for their kids.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

+1. UVA booster fails to acknowledge that UVA is not nearly as good as many OOS public flagships for engineering. With the rise in students pursuing engineering, many VA students will choose OOS publics, which are better than UVA but still cost less than privates.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Illinois residents in the Chicagoland area have zero interest in attending their flagship school in UC. The academics are good enough, but the location is a turnoff for those students who don’t desire a more rural out of the way setting for four years. I imagine if UVA were as large as UIUC they might have a similar situation. I do recall that before ED was initiated, the yield at UVA was quite a bit lower than its public flagship peers.

I grew up in suburban Chicago and yes, wasn't interested in going to UIUC (certainly had the stats), as were several of my high school friends. I will say, however, that the public university situation in Illinois and Virginia are not comparable. There is a huge gap in ranking/quality between UIUC and the other Illinois state schools (UI Chicago has improved a lot, but it's still basically a commuter school and avoided by many Chicagoland kids). That's certainly not the case in Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who got into uva/W&m/va tech. Ended up at Indiana. I would say in the 4 years, probably had very few if any classes where they didn’t know someone from the dmv. Once they got to Kelley it was usually multiple dmv kids in their class. Upon graduation most of his friends ended up in Chicago, NYC, Boston, Indianapolis and San Francisco., and this includes some of the dmv kids. Not sure what the poster hang up is on uva and being worldly. In Kelley, barring COVID times, you need a passport cause they are required classes that have international travel in them. They take a 12 credit semester class where the school chooses the teams and each team has a west coast kid, east coast kid, Indiana kid, international kid. Some of us parents have only role in the entire college process. And that is to write the check.

That's great for your kid. If my kid got into all three of those schools, we'd have to have a long discussion about the 15k a year price difference

Maybe the increase in OOS enrollment is due to increase in VA wealth. Parents are no longer restricting their kids to state schools for financial reasons.

Two of my mom friends said their parents forced them go to UVA over an Ivy and top 10 school. They are still bitter about it and said they won’t do the same for their kids.

Or maybe the circles you and OP run in have enough money that it's immaterial. I would guess that for most of the state, 15k a year would be a deal breaker

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure I would put UVA and UMD in same category. You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA. Not many Michigan, UCLA and UNC admit cases. UMD, while a really good school and not that easy to get into instate -- it is not a highly ranked public, more middle of the road. So very likely the OOS is better and you may have even received some merit to make it comparable in price. Add in the allure of geographic diversity and some more interesting places to go to school than College Park and there is your answer. Still think UMD is great choice, great school but not the same declines as UVA......

UMDCP is Top 50, higher than the mentioned Penn State, Ohio State, etc.., and even higher than UVA for STEM majors.

+1 No one in their right mind would choose UVA or UMD for STEM.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure I would put UVA and UMD in same category. You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA. Not many Michigan, UCLA and UNC admit cases. UMD, while a really good school and not that easy to get into instate -- it is not a highly ranked public, more middle of the road. So very likely the OOS is better and you may have even received some merit to make it comparable in price. Add in the allure of geographic diversity and some more interesting places to go to school than College Park and there is your answer. Still think UMD is great choice, great school but not the same declines as UVA......

UMDCP is Top 50, higher than the mentioned Penn State, Ohio State, etc.., and even higher than UVA for STEM majors.

+1 No one in their right mind would choose UVA OVER UMD for STEM.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

that makes zero sense.

How is going to UVA or UMD a "continuation of what they have been doing for 13 years" compared to if they go to Wisconsin or Pitt? Going to college is only a "continuation of what they have been doing for 13 years" in that they are in an education setting. Otherwise, it's a completely different experience from K-12 no matter if you go to a school 10 hours away or 1 hour away, assuming you are not living at home.

You're looking for ways to justify your own insecurities.

If they go OOS, they will have different experience than: growing up in VA, going to school in VA, settling in VA, rinse, repeat.

If that’s what my kids want, fine. But I’m hoping they experience more of the world and meet different people.

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I'm originally from CA. Believe me, it's not all that different. Despite what some believe, educated college towns are not that dissimilar to each other. The topography and weather may be different, but the college town experience is not that different. We're not talking about the UK vs the US. We're talking about states, and some neighboring states. Do you think Pittsburgh is really that different from the DMV area? It's not really that different. Lots of DMV students end up in neighboring state flagships. It's not really that different.

If you want to meet different people and experience the world, you want your kid to go to a different country for school, not a different state, because again, other than the topography and the weather, it's really not that different.

Almost 25% of UMD undergrads are from OOS. You can meet plenty of kids not from MD or from your school district. And given the transient nature of the DC area, chances are you will have met people from other states living here.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Illinois residents in the Chicagoland area have zero interest in attending their flagship school in UC. The academics are good enough, but the location is a turnoff for those students who don’t desire a more rural out of the way setting for four years. I imagine if UVA were as large as UIUC they might have a similar situation. I do recall that before ED was initiated, the yield at UVA was quite a bit lower than its public flagship peers.

I grew up in suburban Chicago and yes, wasn't interested in going to UIUC (certainly had the stats), as were several of my high school friends. I will say, however, that the public university situation in Illinois and Virginia are not comparable. There is a huge gap in ranking/quality between UIUC and the other Illinois state schools (UI Chicago has improved a lot, but it's still basically a commuter school and avoided by many Chicagoland kids). That's certainly not the case in Virginia.

Which is why UIUC should be a more popular destination for Chicago area kids. Howeve, it isn’t as popular because of its location. Agree that Virginia residents have better choices for public higher education

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who got into uva/W&m/va tech. Ended up at Indiana. I would say in the 4 years, probably had very few if any classes where they didn’t know someone from the dmv. Once they got to Kelley it was usually multiple dmv kids in their class. Upon graduation most of his friends ended up in Chicago, NYC, Boston, Indianapolis and San Francisco., and this includes some of the dmv kids. Not sure what the poster hang up is on uva and being worldly. In Kelley, barring COVID times, you need a passport cause they are required classes that have international travel in them. They take a 12 credit semester class where the school chooses the teams and each team has a west coast kid, east coast kid, Indiana kid, international kid. Some of us parents have only role in the entire college process. And that is to write the check.

That's great for your kid. If my kid got into all three of those schools, we'd have to have a long discussion about the 15k a year price difference

Maybe the increase in OOS enrollment is due to increase in VA wealth. Parents are no longer restricting their kids to state schools for financial reasons.

Two of my mom friends said their parents forced them go to UVA over an Ivy and top 10 school. They are still bitter about it and said they won’t do the same for their kids.

Or maybe the circles you and OP run in have enough money that it's immaterial. I would guess that for most of the state, 15k a year would be a deal breaker

For a Virginia resident student with decent stats, WVU is $15k less than VT.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

Of course they don’t all want to go there. But here’s the thing: most in state kids who do get into UVA do end up going, and the ones who don’t go usually end up at very prestigious schools or are getting a heck of a lot of money to go elsewhere. And the ones who aren’t getting in? Well, you know many of them would have gone if they could.

Citation?

Here ya go. See, unlike some of you folks, I don’t just make shit up.

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b8_admissions_locality.asp