Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

Agree. For me it’s not about seeking out students who are more worldly. It’s about exposure to a different mindset—less privilege and better grounding. Lots of good schools beyond the DMV that would provide that kind of experience. But my kids haven’t applied anywhere yet, so we’ll see what happens and what they decide.

Translation: I already know my kids are not likely to get into UVA, so I am preparing myself and them.

There’s that insecurity popping up again.

Yea. That poster. Not me.

That poster is fine. You’re making assumptions as some kind of put down. Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, who are we trying to kid? The answer to the question “why are OOS flagships becoming more popular in the DMV” could not be more obvious.

It’s because UVA and Maryland are becoming more and more competitive and many
students who would have gone to either of those schools in a heartbeat a decade or two ago are not getting in today. These same students no longer have to “settle” for other in state schools either, because the gap between UVA/W&M/UMD (and even Tech) and the other in state schools is now so large that excellent students aren’t getting into the top in state schools but are still highly qualified and often get merit aid to go to a good OOS school.

This isn’t rocket science. And the posters whi insist that they are deliberately doing this to avoid so-called 13th grade are lying to themselves.

OOS flagships/private schools have been popular in other areas for decades. And people have wanted to have an OOS experience for decades. This is nothing new. Something you might know if you ever got out of the VA bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

You’re also weirdly fixated on UVA. Not everyone wants to go there.

Many kids prefer to go OOS because they want to experience something different. College location shouldn’t be something defined by parents.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

I was just starting to realize this.

Such an insecure nut.

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

So you're actually claiming that kids who go to Indiana or Michigan or Wisconsin somehow have had "significantly different life experiences" than kids who grew up in Northern VA? Not to mention, there are TONS of OOS kids at the top VA schools, as well as international students. My kids have friends from all over the country at their VA state universities. But do go on about how much more interesting and diverse OOS schools are. What a hoot. I think you know you're fooling yourself, you just refuse to admit it.

Yes, living in a different area of the country with people who grew up all over is a different experience than going to a state school in VA that has mostly nova students. And then most of them continue to live in VA after they graduate.

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/e19_report.asp
https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/hoo-are-you/index.php

What do you mean by “people who grew up from all over?“ We are talking about out of state flag ships. Ar virtually everyone of them, the large majority of the students are from the same state. It’s no different than UVA, just a different state.

So not 13th grade.

Other public and most private OOSs have more geographic diversity than the two you mentioned. Plus, Indiana hates women so not sure why anyone would want to go there.

Focus. We are not talking about private schools. We are talking about out of state flagships specifically. You’re changing the goal posts.

Also, it’s really not true that most private schools have more diversity than schools like UVA. In fact, only the very top schools do. Most schools, whether private or public, tend to attract students from the immediately surrounding geographic area. Even Harvard, for example. Nearly 17 percent of its undergraduates are from New England when only 4 percent of the country lives there, and nearly another quarter are from the Mid-Atlantic states. Similarly, nearly 4 in 10 Stanford undergrads are from California alone.

The bottom line is you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re just making assumptions that are not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, who are we trying to kid? The answer to the question “why are OOS flagships becoming more popular in the DMV” could not be more obvious.

It’s because UVA and Maryland are becoming more and more competitive and many
students who would have gone to either of those schools in a heartbeat a decade or two ago are not getting in today. These same students no longer have to “settle” for other in state schools either, because the gap between UVA/W&M/UMD (and even Tech) and the other in state schools is now so large that excellent students aren’t getting into the top in state schools but are still highly qualified and often get merit aid to go to a good OOS school.

This isn’t rocket science. And the posters whi insist that they are deliberately doing this to avoid so-called 13th grade are lying to themselves.

OOS flagships/private schools have been popular in other areas for decades. And people have wanted to have an OOS experience for decades. This is nothing new. Something you might know if you ever got out of the VA bubble.

Again, this isn’t a private school thread. If that is your focus, start another thread.

We are talking about out of state flagship schools specifically, and there’s no denying that what’s driving the increase in popularity here is the increased selectivity of the in state flagships. It isn’t even subject to legitimate debate.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

So you're actually claiming that kids who go to Indiana or Michigan or Wisconsin somehow have had "significantly different life experiences" than kids who grew up in Northern VA? Not to mention, there are TONS of OOS kids at the top VA schools, as well as international students. My kids have friends from all over the country at their VA state universities. But do go on about how much more interesting and diverse OOS schools are. What a hoot. I think you know you're fooling yourself, you just refuse to admit it.

Yes, living in a different area of the country with people who grew up all over is a different experience than going to a state school in VA that has mostly nova students. And then most of them continue to live in VA after they graduate.

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/e19_report.asp
https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/hoo-are-you/index.php

What do you mean by “people who grew up from all over?“ We are talking about out of state flag ships. Ar virtually everyone of them, the large majority of the students are from the same state. It’s no different than UVA, just a different state.

So not 13th grade.

Other public and most private OOSs have more geographic diversity than the two you mentioned. Plus, Indiana hates women so not sure why anyone would want to go there.

Focus. We are not talking about private schools. We are talking about out of state flagships specifically. You’re changing the goal posts.

Also, it’s really not true that most private schools have more diversity than schools like UVA. In fact, only the very top schools do. Most schools, whether private or public, tend to attract students from the immediately surrounding geographic area. Even Harvard, for example. Nearly 17 percent of its undergraduates are from New England when only 4 percent of the country lives there, and nearly another quarter are from the Mid-Atlantic states. Similarly, nearly 4 in 10 Stanford undergrads are from California alone.

The bottom line is you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re just making assumptions that are not true.

If you scroll up we were discussing “in-state = 13th grade”. Anyway, other flagships have larger % of OOS students.

Many students want the OOS experience. Not sure why that’s so hard for you to understand.

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

Of course they don’t all want to go there. But here’s the thing: most in state kids who do get into UVA do end up going, and the ones who don’t go usually end up at very prestigious schools or are getting a heck of a lot of money to go elsewhere. And the ones who aren’t getting in? Well, you know many of them would have gone if they could.

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

So you're actually claiming that kids who go to Indiana or Michigan or Wisconsin somehow have had "significantly different life experiences" than kids who grew up in Northern VA? Not to mention, there are TONS of OOS kids at the top VA schools, as well as international students. My kids have friends from all over the country at their VA state universities. But do go on about how much more interesting and diverse OOS schools are. What a hoot. I think you know you're fooling yourself, you just refuse to admit it.

Yes, living in a different area of the country with people who grew up all over is a different experience than going to a state school in VA that has mostly nova students. And then most of them continue to live in VA after they graduate.

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/e19_report.asp
https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/hoo-are-you/index.php

What do you mean by “people who grew up from all over?“ We are talking about out of state flag ships. Ar virtually everyone of them, the large majority of the students are from the same state. It’s no different than UVA, just a different state.

So not 13th grade.

Other public and most private OOSs have more geographic diversity than the two you mentioned. Plus, Indiana hates women so not sure why anyone would want to go there.

Focus. We are not talking about private schools. We are talking about out of state flagships specifically. You’re changing the goal posts.

Also, it’s really not true that most private schools have more diversity than schools like UVA. In fact, only the very top schools do. Most schools, whether private or public, tend to attract students from the immediately surrounding geographic area. Even Harvard, for example. Nearly 17 percent of its undergraduates are from New England when only 4 percent of the country lives there, and nearly another quarter are from the Mid-Atlantic states. Similarly, nearly 4 in 10 Stanford undergrads are from California alone.

The bottom line is you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re just making assumptions that are not true.

If you scroll up we were discussing “in-state = 13th grade”. Anyway, other flagships have larger % of OOS students.

Many students want the OOS experience. Not sure why that’s so hard for you to understand.

What you really mean is many students who do not get into UVA do not want to go to the other in-state schools, so they opt for the out-of-state experience. The majority of the kids who are getting into UVA from in state are in fact going. Statistics don’t lie.

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“You're looking for ways to justify your own insecurities.“


No, you’re looking for ways to justify a lack a lack of curiosity and a fear of adventure.

The vanity of people here who assume you have to be crazy or stupid to want to experience a public university that isn’t in College Park or Charlottesville reminds me of those New Yorkers who think everybody in the world spends all day trying to figure out how they might possibly be lucky enough to someday live in NYC. Get over yourselves. College isn’t one size fits all.

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This thread is ridiculous. Yes, there are many kids who go OOS because they couldn’t get into their preferred in-state school.

Yes, there are also kids who decide up-front that they prefer the OOS experience, for a whole variety of different reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:“You're looking for ways to justify your own insecurities.“


No, you’re looking for ways to justify a lack a lack of curiosity and a fear of adventure.

The vanity of people here who assume you have to be crazy or stupid to want to experience a public university that isn’t in College Park or Charlottesville reminds me of those New Yorkers who think everybody in the world spends all day trying to figure out how they might possibly be lucky enough to someday live in NYC. Get over yourselves. College isn’t one size fits all.

It's less one size fits all and more the extra 30k+ a year is more than most families can afford to spend just because of fit. There are those who can and they always have just gone where ever they prefer

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I have a kid who got into uva/W&m/va tech. Ended up at Indiana. I would say in the 4 years, probably had very few if any classes where they didn’t know someone from the dmv. Once they got to Kelley it was usually multiple dmv kids in their class. Upon graduation most of his friends ended up in Chicago, NYC, Boston, Indianapolis and San Francisco., and this includes some of the dmv kids. Not sure what the poster hang up is on uva and being worldly. In Kelley, barring COVID times, you need a passport cause they are required classes that have international travel in them. They take a 12 credit semester class where the school chooses the teams and each team has a west coast kid, east coast kid, Indiana kid, international kid. Some of us parents have only role in the entire college process. And that is to write the check.

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

Of course they don’t all want to go there. But here’s the thing: most in state kids who do get into UVA do end up going, and the ones who don’t go usually end up at very prestigious schools or are getting a heck of a lot of money to go elsewhere. And the ones who aren’t getting in? Well, you know many of them would have gone if they could.

That’s why UVA started ED a few years ago to make sure those instate students don’t change their minds after acceptance.