Arl Dems Caucus Endorsement - School Board - In the Candidates' Words

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Anonymous wrote:Angelo has only lived here less than 1 year. He donated to Ebbin in May 2022 and has Washington, DC as his address.

I understand a few people have such a grudge that they'll vote for him as a protest vote, but would you really want to trust this 22 year old with $800M of our tax revenue and our kids' education?

Better than someone who thought that abusing teachers, Duran, and other parents was acceptable behavior.

That shows, at best, poor judgment. At worst…

Either way, not someone who should be on the SB.

So, yes, he is the more trustworthy candidate.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner never abused and teachers, Duran, or other parents. You're holding onto that grudge as hard as you, but your positions were wrong. We know that now but you just can't let it go.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner personally chose to partner and lead a group of parents who were abusive towards teachers, staff, and other parents. 100% her choice to do that.

Has her personal judgment or moral code changed since then? Has she apologized for any of that?

She has nothing to apologize for. She is not responsible for other people's actions. Have you apologized for letting your fear keep schools closed longer than necessary and the subsequent academic and socioemotional fallout that is disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable students?

She’s responsible for her actions. She *chose* to work with these people. For years.

I know it enrages you, but Arlington Parents for Education is doing effective, informed advocacy in APS. It's not a black mark to be involved in founding it. You need to let go of the past. You were wrong. Move on.

I will give you that APE is better now than during the pandemic. But that is not relevant to this campaign as that shift took place AFTER Miranda left the leadership of the group. If anything that shift reflects poorly on her leadership. When she led APE, it was doing awful things. After she left, the new leaders decided to make a change. Good for them, but let's remember that Miranda was the leader back when APE was screaming and belittling teachers, pushing for fulltime in person school during surges and pre vaccines, pushing against safety measures saying they were not needed, saying teachers were lazy, wanting to order teachers back into unsafe schools or fire them, not caring about teacher health, the peddling of bad "science" that covid doesn't spread in schools, isn't worse than the flu, that HEPAs and outdoor lunch are not needed.

Thank god APS didn't listen to APE back then. We don't need Miranda in charge now.

Well said.

And this is why I'm going to have to vote for Angelo. His light record is better than Miranda's horrendous record. Angelo didn't lead a group that poisoned the atmosphere such that good candidates won't run (yes I'm looking at you, APE).

"Light record" is being very generous. There's a reason no one other than Goldstein is willing to publicly promote this clown.

Hasn’t he also fluffed or misrepresented his record. Fine if you hate Miranda, but Angelo isn’t any better. The Miranda haters need to own that.

He hasn’t fostered an anti-APS/anti-teacher environment in our community. There’s that.

There's like 10 or so deplorables in Arlington with this opinion of the Miranda haters. Many are well known commodities too, and not reflective of Arlington.

They did real damage to our community and continue to back her. Her nutjob "campaign manager" is on her donor list again this year.

What is the real damage? And how is it relevant today?

Dividing our community and pitting hostile parents against teachers (and other parents and APS staff). Staffing continues to be an issue.

Basically, if she was willing to stand by while people in her group were doing that then I don’t trust that she will stand up to do the right thing in the future. She’s untrustworthy.

In addition to saying other people's behavior is her fault, you're holding Miranda Turner personally responsible for nation-wide staffing issues? And you're willing to vote for someone who thinks he's qualified because he came to Arlington as a tourist as a teenager instead?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that one of Reid's campaign people on AEM today said he's supporting Miranda.

I'm supporting Miranda, but if the kid wins, I'll vote for Vell or any independent in the general election.

You know that Vell is anti trans right? but for a Miranda supporter maybe that's a feature, not a bug

I'm PP above. Think of it as a protest vote. Whoever wins the caucus wins the general. We all know this. But Angelo is not qualified and shame on the dems. He even dropped out and they had him go back in! He should not be our candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:Angelo has only lived here less than 1 year. He donated to Ebbin in May 2022 and has Washington, DC as his address.

I understand a few people have such a grudge that they'll vote for him as a protest vote, but would you really want to trust this 22 year old with $800M of our tax revenue and our kids' education?

Better than someone who thought that abusing teachers, Duran, and other parents was acceptable behavior.

That shows, at best, poor judgment. At worst…

Either way, not someone who should be on the SB.

So, yes, he is the more trustworthy candidate.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner never abused and teachers, Duran, or other parents. You're holding onto that grudge as hard as you, but your positions were wrong. We know that now but you just can't let it go.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner personally chose to partner and lead a group of parents who were abusive towards teachers, staff, and other parents. 100% her choice to do that.

Has her personal judgment or moral code changed since then? Has she apologized for any of that?

She has nothing to apologize for. She is not responsible for other people's actions. Have you apologized for letting your fear keep schools closed longer than necessary and the subsequent academic and socioemotional fallout that is disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable students?

She’s responsible for her actions. She *chose* to work with these people. For years.

I know it enrages you, but Arlington Parents for Education is doing effective, informed advocacy in APS. It's not a black mark to be involved in founding it. You need to let go of the past. You were wrong. Move on.

I will give you that APE is better now than during the pandemic. But that is not relevant to this campaign as that shift took place AFTER Miranda left the leadership of the group. If anything that shift reflects poorly on her leadership. When she led APE, it was doing awful things. After she left, the new leaders decided to make a change. Good for them, but let's remember that Miranda was the leader back when APE was screaming and belittling teachers, pushing for fulltime in person school during surges and pre vaccines, pushing against safety measures saying they were not needed, saying teachers were lazy, wanting to order teachers back into unsafe schools or fire them, not caring about teacher health, the peddling of bad "science" that covid doesn't spread in schools, isn't worse than the flu, that HEPAs and outdoor lunch are not needed.

Thank god APS didn't listen to APE back then. We don't need Miranda in charge now.

Well said.

And this is why I'm going to have to vote for Angelo. His light record is better than Miranda's horrendous record. Angelo didn't lead a group that poisoned the atmosphere such that good candidates won't run (yes I'm looking at you, APE).

"Light record" is being very generous. There's a reason no one other than Goldstein is willing to publicly promote this clown.

Hasn’t he also fluffed or misrepresented his record. Fine if you hate Miranda, but Angelo isn’t any better. The Miranda haters need to own that.

He hasn’t fostered an anti-APS/anti-teacher environment in our community. There’s that.

There's like 10 or so deplorables in Arlington with this opinion of the Miranda haters. Many are well known commodities too, and not reflective of Arlington.

They did real damage to our community and continue to back her. Her nutjob "campaign manager" is on her donor list again this year.

What is the real damage? And how is it relevant today?

Dividing our community and pitting hostile parents against teachers (and other parents and APS staff). Staffing continues to be an issue.

Basically, if she was willing to stand by while people in her group were doing that then I don’t trust that she will stand up to do the right thing in the future. She’s untrustworthy.

In addition to saying other people's behavior is her fault, you're holding Miranda Turner personally responsible for nation-wide staffing issues? And you're willing to vote for someone who thinks he's qualified because he came to Arlington as a tourist as a teenager instead?

She is fully responsible for her actions. She chose to lead that group and stand by the people who were horrible to the APS community. She has stood with them for years. They are still with her.

As the leader of the group, she could have said something at the time. She also could have apologized for being part of the angry mob.

She made her choice and it hurt our community. Hard pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Angelo has only lived here less than 1 year. He donated to Ebbin in May 2022 and has Washington, DC as his address.

I understand a few people have such a grudge that they'll vote for him as a protest vote, but would you really want to trust this 22 year old with $800M of our tax revenue and our kids' education?

Better than someone who thought that abusing teachers, Duran, and other parents was acceptable behavior.

That shows, at best, poor judgment. At worst…

Either way, not someone who should be on the SB.

So, yes, he is the more trustworthy candidate.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner never abused and teachers, Duran, or other parents. You're holding onto that grudge as hard as you, but your positions were wrong. We know that now but you just can't let it go.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner personally chose to partner and lead a group of parents who were abusive towards teachers, staff, and other parents. 100% her choice to do that.

Has her personal judgment or moral code changed since then? Has she apologized for any of that?

She has nothing to apologize for. She is not responsible for other people's actions. Have you apologized for letting your fear keep schools closed longer than necessary and the subsequent academic and socioemotional fallout that is disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable students?

She’s responsible for her actions. She *chose* to work with these people. For years.

I know it enrages you, but Arlington Parents for Education is doing effective, informed advocacy in APS. It's not a black mark to be involved in founding it. You need to let go of the past. You were wrong. Move on.

I will give you that APE is better now than during the pandemic. But that is not relevant to this campaign as that shift took place AFTER Miranda left the leadership of the group. If anything that shift reflects poorly on her leadership. When she led APE, it was doing awful things. After she left, the new leaders decided to make a change. Good for them, but let's remember that Miranda was the leader back when APE was screaming and belittling teachers, pushing for fulltime in person school during surges and pre vaccines, pushing against safety measures saying they were not needed, saying teachers were lazy, wanting to order teachers back into unsafe schools or fire them, not caring about teacher health, the peddling of bad "science" that covid doesn't spread in schools, isn't worse than the flu, that HEPAs and outdoor lunch are not needed.

Thank god APS didn't listen to APE back then. We don't need Miranda in charge now.

Well said.

And this is why I'm going to have to vote for Angelo. His light record is better than Miranda's horrendous record. Angelo didn't lead a group that poisoned the atmosphere such that good candidates won't run (yes I'm looking at you, APE).

"Light record" is being very generous. There's a reason no one other than Goldstein is willing to publicly promote this clown.

Hasn’t he also fluffed or misrepresented his record. Fine if you hate Miranda, but Angelo isn’t any better. The Miranda haters need to own that.

He hasn’t fostered an anti-APS/anti-teacher environment in our community. There’s that.

There's like 10 or so deplorables in Arlington with this opinion of the Miranda haters. Many are well known commodities too, and not reflective of Arlington.

They did real damage to our community and continue to back her. Her nutjob "campaign manager" is on her donor list again this year.

What is the real damage? And how is it relevant today?

Dividing our community and pitting hostile parents against teachers (and other parents and APS staff). Staffing continues to be an issue.

Basically, if she was willing to stand by while people in her group were doing that then I don’t trust that she will stand up to do the right thing in the future. She’s untrustworthy.

In addition to saying other people's behavior is her fault, you're holding Miranda Turner personally responsible for nation-wide staffing issues? And you're willing to vote for someone who thinks he's qualified because he came to Arlington as a tourist as a teenager instead?

She is fully responsible for her actions. She chose to lead that group and stand by the people who were horrible to the APS community. She has stood with them for years. They are still with her.

As the leader of the group, she could have said something at the time. She also could have apologized for being part of the angry mob.

She made her choice and it hurt our community. Hard pass.

You only made this point a dozen times. Funny thing is others seem to be moving based on the thread on AEM. So whatever you see in her leadership over last couple of years is not at all what others seem to see.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that one of Reid's campaign people on AEM today said he's supporting Miranda.

I'm supporting Miranda, but if the kid wins, I'll vote for Vell or any independent in the general election.

You know that Vell is anti trans right? but for a Miranda supporter maybe that's a feature, not a bug

I'm PP above. Think of it as a protest vote. Whoever wins the caucus wins the general. We all know this. But Angelo is not qualified and shame on the dems. He even dropped out and they had him go back in! He should not be our candidate.

If ACDC isn’t into MT, they should have come up with someone else to run rather than convince a random kid with no commitment or interest in Arlington to stay in the race. It’s absolutely freakin’ mind-boggling.

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I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

I totally agree. People were reacting to a once-in-a-lifetime event. People were really suffering trying to work, raise their kids, and help with virtual schooling. It was a terrible time. I don’t understand why people are holding into this so hard and blaming a candidate who was not the voice of the fringe.

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

I totally agree. People were reacting to a once-in-a-lifetime event. People were really suffering trying to work, raise their kids, and help with virtual schooling. It was a terrible time. I don’t understand why people are holding into this so hard and blaming a candidate who was not the voice of the fringe.

I don’t think people are holding onto this. It’s just the same 2-3 crazies that you’ll also see posting in AEM. Theyre now openly supporting Angelo because he says the buzz words they want to hear. The kid moved here less than 6 mos ago and quickly joined to advisory committees that he doesn’t even show up to but that doesn’t stop him from name-dropping them. He’s a naive and a flake at best and a fraud at worst.

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Anonymous wrote:Angelo has only lived here less than 1 year. He donated to Ebbin in May 2022 and has Washington, DC as his address.

I understand a few people have such a grudge that they'll vote for him as a protest vote, but would you really want to trust this 22 year old with $800M of our tax revenue and our kids' education?

Better than someone who thought that abusing teachers, Duran, and other parents was acceptable behavior.

That shows, at best, poor judgment. At worst…

Either way, not someone who should be on the SB.

So, yes, he is the more trustworthy candidate.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner never abused and teachers, Duran, or other parents. You're holding onto that grudge as hard as you, but your positions were wrong. We know that now but you just can't let it go.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner personally chose to partner and lead a group of parents who were abusive towards teachers, staff, and other parents. 100% her choice to do that.

Has her personal judgment or moral code changed since then? Has she apologized for any of that?

She has nothing to apologize for. She is not responsible for other people's actions. Have you apologized for letting your fear keep schools closed longer than necessary and the subsequent academic and socioemotional fallout that is disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable students?

She’s responsible for her actions. She *chose* to work with these people. For years.

I know it enrages you, but Arlington Parents for Education is doing effective, informed advocacy in APS. It's not a black mark to be involved in founding it. You need to let go of the past. You were wrong. Move on.

I will give you that APE is better now than during the pandemic. But that is not relevant to this campaign as that shift took place AFTER Miranda left the leadership of the group. If anything that shift reflects poorly on her leadership. When she led APE, it was doing awful things. After she left, the new leaders decided to make a change. Good for them, but let's remember that Miranda was the leader back when APE was screaming and belittling teachers, pushing for fulltime in person school during surges and pre vaccines, pushing against safety measures saying they were not needed, saying teachers were lazy, wanting to order teachers back into unsafe schools or fire them, not caring about teacher health, the peddling of bad "science" that covid doesn't spread in schools, isn't worse than the flu, that HEPAs and outdoor lunch are not needed.

Thank god APS didn't listen to APE back then. We don't need Miranda in charge now.

Well said.

And this is why I'm going to have to vote for Angelo. His light record is better than Miranda's horrendous record. Angelo didn't lead a group that poisoned the atmosphere such that good candidates won't run (yes I'm looking at you, APE).

"Light record" is being very generous. There's a reason no one other than Goldstein is willing to publicly promote this clown.

Hasn’t he also fluffed or misrepresented his record. Fine if you hate Miranda, but Angelo isn’t any better. The Miranda haters need to own that.

He hasn’t fostered an anti-APS/anti-teacher environment in our community. There’s that.

There's like 10 or so deplorables in Arlington with this opinion of the Miranda haters. Many are well known commodities too, and not reflective of Arlington.

It will always be the 20-21 school year for the Arlington nuts. That's why everyone is ignoring them and she's going to win in a landslide.

I hope so but don’t be so sure. That’s the mentality that got trump elected!

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

We are only holding her accountable for her own actions.

In the end, I don't trust her to support APS.

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

I totally agree. People were reacting to a once-in-a-lifetime event. People were really suffering trying to work, raise their kids, and help with virtual schooling. It was a terrible time. I don’t understand why people are holding into this so hard and blaming a candidate who was not the voice of the fringe.

She was the leader of the fringe.

One of the worst "fringe" was her campaign manager and still involved with her now. He's on her contribution list and is photographed on her current website.

Untrustworthy.

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Anonymous wrote:Angelo has only lived here less than 1 year. He donated to Ebbin in May 2022 and has Washington, DC as his address.

I understand a few people have such a grudge that they'll vote for him as a protest vote, but would you really want to trust this 22 year old with $800M of our tax revenue and our kids' education?

Better than someone who thought that abusing teachers, Duran, and other parents was acceptable behavior.

That shows, at best, poor judgment. At worst…

Either way, not someone who should be on the SB.

So, yes, he is the more trustworthy candidate.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner never abused and teachers, Duran, or other parents. You're holding onto that grudge as hard as you, but your positions were wrong. We know that now but you just can't let it go.

I know this has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but Miranda Turner personally chose to partner and lead a group of parents who were abusive towards teachers, staff, and other parents. 100% her choice to do that.

Has her personal judgment or moral code changed since then? Has she apologized for any of that?

She has nothing to apologize for. She is not responsible for other people's actions. Have you apologized for letting your fear keep schools closed longer than necessary and the subsequent academic and socioemotional fallout that is disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable students?

She’s responsible for her actions. She *chose* to work with these people. For years.

I know it enrages you, but Arlington Parents for Education is doing effective, informed advocacy in APS. It's not a black mark to be involved in founding it. You need to let go of the past. You were wrong. Move on.

I will give you that APE is better now than during the pandemic. But that is not relevant to this campaign as that shift took place AFTER Miranda left the leadership of the group. If anything that shift reflects poorly on her leadership. When she led APE, it was doing awful things. After she left, the new leaders decided to make a change. Good for them, but let's remember that Miranda was the leader back when APE was screaming and belittling teachers, pushing for fulltime in person school during surges and pre vaccines, pushing against safety measures saying they were not needed, saying teachers were lazy, wanting to order teachers back into unsafe schools or fire them, not caring about teacher health, the peddling of bad "science" that covid doesn't spread in schools, isn't worse than the flu, that HEPAs and outdoor lunch are not needed.

Thank god APS didn't listen to APE back then. We don't need Miranda in charge now.

Well said.

And this is why I'm going to have to vote for Angelo. His light record is better than Miranda's horrendous record. Angelo didn't lead a group that poisoned the atmosphere such that good candidates won't run (yes I'm looking at you, APE).

"Light record" is being very generous. There's a reason no one other than Goldstein is willing to publicly promote this clown.

Hasn’t he also fluffed or misrepresented his record. Fine if you hate Miranda, but Angelo isn’t any better. The Miranda haters need to own that.

He hasn’t fostered an anti-APS/anti-teacher environment in our community. There’s that.

There's like 10 or so deplorables in Arlington with this opinion of the Miranda haters. Many are well known commodities too, and not reflective of Arlington.

They did real damage to our community and continue to back her. Her nutjob "campaign manager" is on her donor list again this year.

What is the real damage? And how is it relevant today?

Dividing our community and pitting hostile parents against teachers (and other parents and APS staff). Staffing continues to be an issue.

Basically, if she was willing to stand by while people in her group were doing that then I don’t trust that she will stand up to do the right thing in the future. She’s untrustworthy.

In addition to saying other people's behavior is her fault, you're holding Miranda Turner personally responsible for nation-wide staffing issues? And you're willing to vote for someone who thinks he's qualified because he came to Arlington as a tourist as a teenager instead?

She is fully responsible for her actions. She chose to lead that group and stand by the people who were horrible to the APS community. She has stood with them for years. They are still with her.

As the leader of the group, she could have said something at the time. She also could have apologized for being part of the angry mob.

She made her choice and it hurt our community. Hard pass.

You only made this point a dozen times. Funny thing is others seem to be moving based on the thread on AEM. So whatever you see in her leadership over last couple of years is not at all what others seem to see.

Sure, some others support her, but some don't.

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

I totally agree. People were reacting to a once-in-a-lifetime event. People were really suffering trying to work, raise their kids, and help with virtual schooling. It was a terrible time. I don’t understand why people are holding into this so hard and blaming a candidate who was not the voice of the fringe.

She was the leader of the fringe.

One of the worst "fringe" was her campaign manager and still involved with her now. He's on her contribution list and is photographed on her current website.

Untrustworthy.

Yep I remember that campaign manager's vicious and unfounded attacks on Miranda's opponent and her supporters last time. Not to mention our teachers. It was awful. How is someone like that supposed to bring the community together?

I think you would benefit from some serious perspective. I'm truly sorry a previous school board race has traumatized you. I can't imagine how you function in everyday life...I guess constantly trolling DCUM must be all you can manage.

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

I agree with this, well put.

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out, FWIW, that the reason the angriest APE types have settled down now is not because Miranda Turner is no longer in leadership there, it's because schools finally re-opened again and things are moving back to normal. The extreme, fringe, angry people were angry about Covid and school closures. Those people stayed loud and angry until schools fully opened again (which, in Arlington, took 1.5 years, and even then, our first year back was an odd one). So the fact that the tone of those people changed over time has nothing to do with leadership. They were reacting to circumstances.

I think it's fair to ask how Miranda advocated during that time, and the answer is that she clearly wanted schools open, but had a much more reasonable tone. So I really don't get the grudge holding and finger pointing here, but we are on pg. 22 of this thread, so I don't expect my thoughts here to change anyone's mind. But I do think it's ridiculous to blame her for all that anger. That was a societal anger.

Agree. As for PP who keeps saying that angry parents are responsible for the lasting harm done to our community. Puh-leaze. APS has always had groups of angry parents (remember past boundary fights?). The harm done to our community was in APS staying closed for far too long. Even the angriest of the APE haters agree that we stayed closed too long and kids have alot of unmet needs. The harm done to our community was not providing for kids of essential workers, like fairfax and ACPS did. The harms done to our kids were not in prioritizing the needs of students with disabilities, like PWC did. We had a roadmap on how to reopen schools safely in summer of 2020. Schools around the nation were figuring it out. Parochial schools in Arlington with far fewer resources than APS were figuring it out. You know what the lasting harms are in APS? The mental health issues and achievement gaps that are now chasms. Angry parents did not cause those lasting harms. It's now 2023. A few people are still stuck in 2020. Fortunately, it seems like those angry parents and Miranda aren't with them.