Middle school magnets - criteria-based

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

This must be either a unique experience or troll post. It's been a while for my kuds, but I know lots of current kuds/families. Community seems strong.

People seem to forget ESS in the in-bounds draw.

Also, as an aside that bears repeating, don't forget that these seats are in addition to the magnet seats allotted. They don't take seats away from Bethesda or Rockville or wherever kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

I’ve had two fifth grade kids at PBES get into the magnet program and I can tell you that no they don’t all know who is in until school starts (or later) and neither do you. They also don’t all know each other in fifth grade. The school is huge.

Yep that's what I said. The following fall we could only identify 5 or 6 kids from PBES that were selected that year. The previous year the administration told us that 18 kids had been selected from the 25 in boundary spots. Maybe the lottery was just not kind to PBES. Don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

This must be either a unique experience or troll post. It's been a while for my kuds, but I know lots of current kuds/families. Community seems strong.

People seem to forget ESS in the in-bounds draw.

Also, as an aside that bears repeating, don't forget that these seats are in addition to the magnet seats allotted. They don't take seats away from Bethesda or Rockville or wherever kids.

There is a disgruntled poster who claims to have left the area. Other parents claimed their kid was a bully, but they had a different story.Only read about it here. We've only had positive experiences ourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

This must be either a unique experience or troll post. It's been a while for my kuds, but I know lots of current kuds/families. Community seems strong.

People seem to forget ESS in the in-bounds draw.

Also, as an aside that bears repeating, don't forget that these seats are in addition to the magnet seats allotted. They don't take seats away from Bethesda or Rockville or wherever kids.

Whoops. Kids not kuds! I can't type on my phone!

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

DP 25 seat set in addition, not so much aside

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

This must be either a unique experience or troll post. It's been a while for my kuds, but I know lots of current kuds/families. Community seems strong.

People seem to forget ESS in the in-bounds draw.

Also, as an aside that bears repeating, don't forget that these seats are in addition to the magnet seats allotted. They don't take seats away from Bethesda or Rockville or wherever kids.

There is a disgruntled poster who claims to have left the area. Other parents claimed their kid was a bully, but they had a different story.Only read about it here. We've only had positive experiences ourselves.

I am not the poster you are referring to and I’m not a troll. I also read those posts and they weren’t about PBES they were about TPMS (which is a great school and very well run).

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I had around 600 kids in my HS graduating class and knew most of them by the time I graduated. Even at TPES/PBES with 25 different kids in your class each year you get to know most of them after 6 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

DP 25 seat set in addition, not so much aside

Jeez. Yes 25 seats that are “aside” or APART from the others.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I had around 600 kids in my HS graduating class and knew most of them by the time I graduated. Even at TPES/PBES with 25 different kids in your class each year you get to know most of them after 6 years.

True, and they also switch for math and specials so kids interact with more than the kids in their base class each year.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

DP 25 seat set in addition, not so much aside

Jeez. Yes 25 seats that are “aside” or APART from the others.

I said that because some upcounty folk get all up in arms thinking their kid is losing out somehow when people say aside. It's important to say in addition because the magnet only adds 100 seats. These 25 don't add any additional students to the school because they are already in bounds. I just don't want to chum the sharks, you know? Did not mean to be picky!

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I had around 600 kids in my HS graduating class and knew most of them by the time I graduated. Even at TPES/PBES with 25 different kids in your class each year you get to know most of them after 6 years.

Assuming you are with them for six years. The PTA doesn’t even have any efforts to welcome new families - just the basic stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

DP 25 seat set in addition, not so much aside

Jeez. Yes 25 seats that are “aside” or APART from the others.

I said that because some upcounty folk get all up in arms thinking their kid is losing out somehow when people say aside. It's important to say in addition because the magnet only adds 100 seats. These 25 don't add any additional students to the school because they are already in bounds. I just don't want to chum the sharks, you know? Did not mean to be picky!

Got it! Yes they are extra.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.

I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.

25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.

That sounds really wrong. The odds of getting in have to be significantly higher.
TPMS has roughly 380 kids in each grade each year. If the top 15 percent are in the pool that's 57 kids. If there are 25 inbound set-aside seats that's a 44 percent chance of getting in!

You'd need to back out the 100 non-catchment magnet seats, so 25 of 280, or about 9 percent of the overall catchment population gets in. That compares to 100 seats there for over 7000 6th grade students from the rest of the lower portion of the county, closer to 1.5 percent of the population. So it's about 6 times more likely to end up in the magnet if you are within the TPMS bounds. That's without considering the relative proportions of those who might qualify based on grades, reading level and locally-normed MAP percentiles (the result is less than the top 15% of MAP scorers). Your estimate of an over 44% chance for pool qualifiers may be on the low side.

As a PP said, it was done that way to make TP a more attractive place to buy back when the program was set up. Problem is, a good portion of the SFH area in TP already was desirable, and was the most likely place for folks magnet-hunting to land. I think it's also outlived its purpose. Politics. What's really a shame, though, is that they didn't expand the program to meet the need, or even to keep pace with population growth.

The set aside for Eastern was smaller (12), but King and Clemente had 25 in-catchment reserved seats to compare with only 50 for out-of-catchment. A real head-scratcher was the set-aside for Potomac for the Chinese Immersion program. Did they need their area made more attractive?
Was it to assuage the already-well-to-do about the influx of hoi palloi from out-of-bounds? Those with outsized influence get everything...

Interesting discussion. You are right about taking out the magnet kids so you have more like 280 TPMS kids in-bounds. 15 percent of that is 42 kids. 25 spots for 42 kids in the lottery means that 60 percent get in. Could this be correct? 60 percent of kids in the TPMS catchment area with lottery qualifying scores get into the magnet?

No that's not right. Look at the at a glance #s. It's more than 280.

As an inboundary parent, I can tell you it's not that clear there are precisely 25 in boundary spots. In years past I had heard there were typically around 15 kids from PBES about half of which came from the CES, but in the first year of the lottery, for example, we only knew of 5 or 6 kids in total that were selected from PBES. Maybe the lottery selected the other 20 from the other TPMS in boundary school, you got me. Lotteries are funny that way.

The wait pool may pull more acceptances from inbounds kids. That's how it is for all the magnets in that area. The original admits may be more geographically diverse but by the time the kids show up in the fall it more skewed towards families that live closer to the schools.

At the time of selection, we had no idea who was selected. The numbers I used from PBES were based on what we observed the following fall after the wait list selections. We only knew of maybe a half dozen kids from PBES that year.

Why would you think you’d know all the PBES kids selected? Half a dozen sounds like a lot to me to know personally. There are about 220 kids per grade. Basically you mean that about half a dozen kids off the same socio economic status as you and the same social circles got in. That says nothing of the other 19 kids.

There are only 3 classes of compacted math at PBES each year, and by grade 5 most kids know all the kids in their math classes and well kids talk...

Not to mention, after having spent K-5 with those same 220 kids, you get to know most of them...

This is so untrue. PBES is incredibly unwelcoming with very little community.

My kids started there when we moved to the area and made many friends and found it incredibly welcoming. Most people love it.

It’s huge. Kids move classes every year and leave their friends behind and have to make new ones the following year and there is no parent community associated with the school at all. The links the kids make are apparently in scouts or kids adventures or on their block, not at school - leaving out kids who aren’t part of those activities. Likewise for the parents.

But let’s not sidetrack this discussion. The point is there is a 25 place set aside and just because you don’t know 25 kids it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I had around 600 kids in my HS graduating class and knew most of them by the time I graduated. Even at TPES/PBES with 25 different kids in your class each year you get to know most of them after 6 years.

Assuming you are with them for six years. The PTA doesn’t even have any efforts to welcome new families - just the basic stuff.

I think that during the pandemic the PTAs were barely staying afloat doing all of the basic service things they needed to do.
I also think ANYONE can volunteer: even new parents!
As for welcoming efforts, we were new at TPES, and we explicitly asked for a family mentor and for the teacher to help pick some friends for our kid. Both requests were met quickly and the outcomes were more than welcoming (pre-pandemic)...but we asked for them!

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Anyone have intel on how DCCAPS/AEI will fill slots for selected students who decline the lottery? DD's form says "additional lotteries will be held when vacancies occur" - wondering how this works?