Teacher dictating which parts of daughter's lunch she can eat in which order?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile no one seems to think the teacher should care about a kid going hungry all afternoon or not getting enough time to eat…as long as they don’t distract the other children with their oatmeal…

The humanity! What a shame the child was strapped to the ceiling and unable to have afternoon snacks, either. School is a g'dmd horror.

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Anonymous wrote:For those not familiar with Ellyn Satter‘s DOR here is a link to handouts aimed at early child educators:

https://www.montana.edu/teamnutrition/smartpleasantmealtimes/Pass%20the%20Peaches%20Handouts%20Fall%202016.pdf

Yes for me it’s worth finding a preschool already familiar with these principles.

Sure, we've all heard of Ellyn Satter. But to say that she is "evidence based" or the only way correct way to have a meal.

Im confused, I read Ellyn Satter and she doesn't suggest anywhere that you should get kids to eat health foods by disguising them as dessert. That's pretty much the opposite of Ellyn Satter.

Ellen Satter supports serving dessert (if there is one, one portion only) to be served with the meal. It can be eaten at any time.
https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-eat/family-meals-and-snacks/

She definitely would not agree with pressuring kids to eat foods arbitrarily deemed „healthy“ in order to eat other foods (arbitrarily in this case deemed dessert)

Yes. She puts "cookies" and "baked dessert bars" into the "sweets & extras" box. She does NOT rename them "baked oatmeal" and set up little shrines to them.

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Anonymous wrote:For those not familiar with Ellyn Satter‘s DOR here is a link to handouts aimed at early child educators:

https://www.montana.edu/teamnutrition/smartpleasantmealtimes/Pass%20the%20Peaches%20Handouts%20Fall%202016.pdf

Yes for me it’s worth finding a preschool already familiar with these principles.

Sure, we've all heard of Ellyn Satter. But to say that she is "evidence based" or the only way correct way to have a meal.

Im confused, I read Ellyn Satter and she doesn't suggest anywhere that you should get kids to eat health foods by disguising them as dessert. That's pretty much the opposite of Ellyn Satter.

Ellen Satter supports serving dessert (if there is one, one portion only) to be served with the meal. It can be eaten at any time.
https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-eat/family-meals-and-snacks/

She definitely would not agree with pressuring kids to eat foods arbitrarily deemed „healthy“ in order to eat other foods (arbitrarily in this case deemed dessert)

Yes. She puts "cookies" and "baked dessert bars" into the "sweets & extras" box. She does NOT rename them "baked oatmeal" and set up little shrines to them.

I think you are missing the point that they are supposed to be served WITH the meal and the child can eat the dessert at any time during the meal first or last doesn’t matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those not familiar with Ellyn Satter‘s DOR here is a link to handouts aimed at early child educators:

https://www.montana.edu/teamnutrition/smartpleasantmealtimes/Pass%20the%20Peaches%20Handouts%20Fall%202016.pdf

Yes for me it’s worth finding a preschool already familiar with these principles.

Sure, we've all heard of Ellyn Satter. But to say that she is "evidence based" or the only way correct way to have a meal.

Im confused, I read Ellyn Satter and she doesn't suggest anywhere that you should get kids to eat health foods by disguising them as dessert. That's pretty much the opposite of Ellyn Satter.

Ellen Satter supports serving dessert (if there is one, one portion only) to be served with the meal. It can be eaten at any time.
https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-eat/family-meals-and-snacks/

She definitely would not agree with pressuring kids to eat foods arbitrarily deemed „healthy“ in order to eat other foods (arbitrarily in this case deemed dessert)

Yes. She puts "cookies" and "baked dessert bars" into the "sweets & extras" box. She does NOT rename them "baked oatmeal" and set up little shrines to them.

I think you are missing the point that they are supposed to be served WITH the meal and the child can eat the dessert at any time during the meal first or last doesn’t matter.

I'm pretty sure you missed two things: nobody signed on to Ellen Satter who wasn't already on board at the start of this thread, and -- also -- you misrepresented part of her teachings.

So why should I follow your food deity when you can't even get the holy writ correct?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some parents appreciate that their child learns the importance of eating their main food first instead of those chocolate kisses sent in. Problem would be solved if you didn’t pack sweets in the first place. Maybe the parent should learn what a healthy lunch consists of and that their child will eat those red peppers and humus by watching their classmates eating healthy too and won’t even miss a “dessert”.

Uh, excuse me, it's baked oatmeal.

All high quality people understand that the baking process makes the sugars disappear. Humph.

If her DD came in with a thermos of plain oatmeal, with cinnamon and sliced bananas on top, none of you would be screaming “omg don’t send cookies”. Those exact same ingredients put in the oven are suddenly an Oreo? This is why parents and not teachers decide what their children should eat.

Those are not the “exact same ingredients” as an oatmeal cookie though. Baked oatmeal does not equal a cookie.

Oatmeal cookies have flour, baking soda, sugar, eggs, vanilla, butter…standard “cookie” ingredients. whereas plain oatmeal w some banana slices and some cinnamon sprinkled on top could be regular oatmeal or baked oatmeal but that is a totally different thing than a cookie and obviously much healthier.

Have you ever made cookies before? Have you ever made oatmeal? I’m guessing you also think eating a Rice Krispie treat is the same exact thing as eating a bowl of Rice Krispie cereal w milk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those not familiar with Ellyn Satter‘s DOR here is a link to handouts aimed at early child educators:

https://www.montana.edu/teamnutrition/smartpleasantmealtimes/Pass%20the%20Peaches%20Handouts%20Fall%202016.pdf

Yes for me it’s worth finding a preschool already familiar with these principles.

Sure, we've all heard of Ellyn Satter. But to say that she is "evidence based" or the only way correct way to have a meal.

Im confused, I read Ellyn Satter and she doesn't suggest anywhere that you should get kids to eat health foods by disguising them as dessert. That's pretty much the opposite of Ellyn Satter.

Ellen Satter supports serving dessert (if there is one, one portion only) to be served with the meal. It can be eaten at any time.
https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-eat/family-meals-and-snacks/

She definitely would not agree with pressuring kids to eat foods arbitrarily deemed „healthy“ in order to eat other foods (arbitrarily in this case deemed dessert)

Yes. She puts "cookies" and "baked dessert bars" into the "sweets & extras" box. She does NOT rename them "baked oatmeal" and set up little shrines to them.

I think you are missing the point that they are supposed to be served WITH the meal and the child can eat the dessert at any time during the meal first or last doesn’t matter.

I'm pretty sure you missed two things: nobody signed on to Ellen Satter who wasn't already on board at the start of this thread, and -- also -- you misrepresented part of her teachings.

So why should I follow your food deity when you can't even get the holy writ correct?

1st she‘s not my food deity. Her work however has been validated and there is an evidence base behind it. That is why I’m learning about it so I can apply those principles to my child.

Second I’m not the one who started the baked oatmeal thing. I have no idea whether op intended the oats and banana thing to be considered dessert or not.

The teacher should have let the kid eat her food in whatever order the kid wanted. Saying that Ellen satter would support that is not a misrepresentation.

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Anonymous wrote:For those not familiar with Ellyn Satter‘s DOR here is a link to handouts aimed at early child educators:

https://www.montana.edu/teamnutrition/smartpleasantmealtimes/Pass%20the%20Peaches%20Handouts%20Fall%202016.pdf

Yes for me it’s worth finding a preschool already familiar with these principles.

Sure, we've all heard of Ellyn Satter. But to say that she is "evidence based" or the only way correct way to have a meal.

Im confused, I read Ellyn Satter and she doesn't suggest anywhere that you should get kids to eat health foods by disguising them as dessert. That's pretty much the opposite of Ellyn Satter.

Ellen Satter supports serving dessert (if there is one, one portion only) to be served with the meal. It can be eaten at any time.
https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-eat/family-meals-and-snacks/

She definitely would not agree with pressuring kids to eat foods arbitrarily deemed „healthy“ in order to eat other foods (arbitrarily in this case deemed dessert)

Yes. She puts "cookies" and "baked dessert bars" into the "sweets & extras" box. She does NOT rename them "baked oatmeal" and set up little shrines to them.

I think you are missing the point that they are supposed to be served WITH the meal and the child can eat the dessert at any time during the meal first or last doesn’t matter.

I'm pretty sure you missed two things: nobody signed on to Ellen Satter who wasn't already on board at the start of this thread, and -- also -- you misrepresented part of her teachings.

So why should I follow your food deity when you can't even get the holy writ correct?

1st she‘s not my food deity. Her work however has been validated and there is an evidence base behind it. That is why I’m learning about it so I can apply those principles to my child.

Second I’m not the one who started the baked oatmeal thing. I have no idea whether op intended the oats and banana thing to be considered dessert or not.

The teacher should have let the kid eat her food in whatever order the kid wanted. Saying that Ellen satter would support that is not a misrepresentation.

I will add that I learned about satter‘s work from early childhood educators. I was skeptical first but beacause I do actually respect the professional knowledge of such people I investigated did some pubmed searches and came to the conclusion that they were correct. I am happy to learn from preschool teachers and other early childhood experts. But when a teacher has an incorrect approach as in this case, I would speak up about it and push back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some parents appreciate that their child learns the importance of eating their main food first instead of those chocolate kisses sent in. Problem would be solved if you didn’t pack sweets in the first place. Maybe the parent should learn what a healthy lunch consists of and that their child will eat those red peppers and humus by watching their classmates eating healthy too and won’t even miss a “dessert”.

Uh, excuse me, it's baked oatmeal.

All high quality people understand that the baking process makes the sugars disappear. Humph.

If her DD came in with a thermos of plain oatmeal, with cinnamon and sliced bananas on top, none of you would be screaming “omg don’t send cookies”. Those exact same ingredients put in the oven are suddenly an Oreo? This is why parents and not teachers decide what their children should eat.

Those are not the “exact same ingredients” as an oatmeal cookie though. Baked oatmeal does not equal a cookie.

Oatmeal cookies have flour, baking soda, sugar, eggs, vanilla, butter…standard “cookie” ingredients. whereas plain oatmeal w some banana slices and some cinnamon sprinkled on top could be regular oatmeal or baked oatmeal but that is a totally different thing than a cookie and obviously much healthier.

Have you ever made cookies before? Have you ever made oatmeal? I’m guessing you also think eating a Rice Krispie treat is the same exact thing as eating a bowl of Rice Krispie cereal w milk?

Actually they don’t. My daughter’s daycare had the kids make oatmeal cookies during cooking week and the ingredients were
2 bananas
3/4 cup of oats
Chopped strawberries and a dash of cinnamon

Bake at 350 degrees for 15 minutes.

Relevant to this thread is that they were labeled „cookies“ (not baked oats)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. But hilarious how people are so focused on how the cookie is "healthy." Maybe if you want your kid to learn to eat healthy, don't disguise healthy foods as desserts to get them to eat it.

I have no idea what was in OPs cookie other than banana and oatmeal. I know in my case I put zucchini and carrot into banana muffins not to “disguise” them, because my kid will eat those foods independently, but to get more nutrition into a packable meal. My kid knows what is in the muffins I don’t say hey here’s a cupcake.

Want a gold star?

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Anonymous wrote:Some parents appreciate that their child learns the importance of eating their main food first instead of those chocolate kisses sent in. Problem would be solved if you didn’t pack sweets in the first place. Maybe the parent should learn what a healthy lunch consists of and that their child will eat those red peppers and humus by watching their classmates eating healthy too and won’t even miss a “dessert”.

Uh, excuse me, it's baked oatmeal.

All high quality people understand that the baking process makes the sugars disappear. Humph.

If her DD came in with a thermos of plain oatmeal, with cinnamon and sliced bananas on top, none of you would be screaming “omg don’t send cookies”. Those exact same ingredients put in the oven are suddenly an Oreo? This is why parents and not teachers decide what their children should eat.

Those are not the “exact same ingredients” as an oatmeal cookie though. Baked oatmeal does not equal a cookie.

Oatmeal cookies have flour, baking soda, sugar, eggs, vanilla, butter…standard “cookie” ingredients. whereas plain oatmeal w some banana slices and some cinnamon sprinkled on top could be regular oatmeal or baked oatmeal but that is a totally different thing than a cookie and obviously much healthier.

Have you ever made cookies before? Have you ever made oatmeal? I’m guessing you also think eating a Rice Krispie treat is the same exact thing as eating a bowl of Rice Krispie cereal w milk?

Actually they don’t. My daughter’s daycare had the kids make oatmeal cookies during cooking week and the ingredients were
2 bananas
3/4 cup of oats
Chopped strawberries and a dash of cinnamon

Bake at 350 degrees for 15 minutes.

Relevant to this thread is that they were labeled „cookies“ (not baked oats)

Poor kids. Those are lousy cookies and, with the ratio of banana to oats, not that healthy. They're easy to make, that's all there is to recommend them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some parents appreciate that their child learns the importance of eating their main food first instead of those chocolate kisses sent in. Problem would be solved if you didn’t pack sweets in the first place. Maybe the parent should learn what a healthy lunch consists of and that their child will eat those red peppers and humus by watching their classmates eating healthy too and won’t even miss a “dessert”.

Uh, excuse me, it's baked oatmeal.

All high quality people understand that the baking process makes the sugars disappear. Humph.

If her DD came in with a thermos of plain oatmeal, with cinnamon and sliced bananas on top, none of you would be screaming “omg don’t send cookies”. Those exact same ingredients put in the oven are suddenly an Oreo? This is why parents and not teachers decide what their children should eat.

Those are not the “exact same ingredients” as an oatmeal cookie though. Baked oatmeal does not equal a cookie.

Oatmeal cookies have flour, baking soda, sugar, eggs, vanilla, butter…standard “cookie” ingredients. whereas plain oatmeal w some banana slices and some cinnamon sprinkled on top could be regular oatmeal or baked oatmeal but that is a totally different thing than a cookie and obviously much healthier.

Have you ever made cookies before? Have you ever made oatmeal? I’m guessing you also think eating a Rice Krispie treat is the same exact thing as eating a bowl of Rice Krispie cereal w milk?

Actually they don’t. My daughter’s daycare had the kids make oatmeal cookies during cooking week and the ingredients were
2 bananas
3/4 cup of oats
Chopped strawberries and a dash of cinnamon

Bake at 350 degrees for 15 minutes.

Relevant to this thread is that they were labeled „cookies“ (not baked oats)

Poor kids. Those are lousy cookies and, with the ratio of banana to oats, not that healthy. They're easy to make, that's all there is to recommend them.

OMG. I can't even....

It was a group of 3 and 4 year olds!! Yes, being easy to make is literally all there needs to be to recommend them.

[Anonymous]

Preschool teacher here. I NEVER tell kids what order to eat their food in. That’s a setup for future food/body issues. If it’s in their lunch box, they can eat it in whatever order they want. Trust me, policing food like this is a bad idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some parents appreciate that their child learns the importance of eating their main food first instead of those chocolate kisses sent in. Problem would be solved if you didn’t pack sweets in the first place. Maybe the parent should learn what a healthy lunch consists of and that their child will eat those red peppers and humus by watching their classmates eating healthy too and won’t even miss a “dessert”.

Uh, excuse me, it's baked oatmeal.

All high quality people understand that the baking process makes the sugars disappear. Humph.

If her DD came in with a thermos of plain oatmeal, with cinnamon and sliced bananas on top, none of you would be screaming “omg don’t send cookies”. Those exact same ingredients put in the oven are suddenly an Oreo? This is why parents and not teachers decide what their children should eat.

Those are not the “exact same ingredients” as an oatmeal cookie though. Baked oatmeal does not equal a cookie.

Oatmeal cookies have flour, baking soda, sugar, eggs, vanilla, butter…standard “cookie” ingredients. whereas plain oatmeal w some banana slices and some cinnamon sprinkled on top could be regular oatmeal or baked oatmeal but that is a totally different thing than a cookie and obviously much healthier.

Have you ever made cookies before? Have you ever made oatmeal? I’m guessing you also think eating a Rice Krispie treat is the same exact thing as eating a bowl of Rice Krispie cereal w milk?

Actually they don’t. My daughter’s daycare had the kids make oatmeal cookies during cooking week and the ingredients were
2 bananas
3/4 cup of oats
Chopped strawberries and a dash of cinnamon

Bake at 350 degrees for 15 minutes.

Relevant to this thread is that they were labeled „cookies“ (not baked oats)

Poor kids. Those are lousy cookies and, with the ratio of banana to oats, not that healthy. They're easy to make, that's all there is to recommend them.

OMG. I can't even....

It was a group of 3 and 4 year olds!! Yes, being easy to make is literally all there needs to be to recommend them.

It was actually a group of 1-2 year olds so yes I would say easy to make is definitely the most salient feature here. Apparently a 2 year old showed my 15 month old daughter how to use a mallet to mash the banana.

Report from my daughter’s teacher is that my daughter ate them quickly and appeared to really enjoy them! Cookies were a hit!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Preschool teacher here. I NEVER tell kids what order to eat their food in. That’s a setup for future food/body issues. If it’s in their lunch box, they can eat it in whatever order they want. Trust me, policing food like this is a bad idea.

You sound like a teacher who has kept on top of the current best practices— your students are lucky to have you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Preschool teacher here. I NEVER tell kids what order to eat their food in. That’s a setup for future food/body issues. If it’s in their lunch box, they can eat it in whatever order they want. Trust me, policing food like this is a bad idea.

You sound like a teacher who has kept on top of the current best practices— your students are lucky to have you.

+1000! Yay for teachers like you!!!