What the hell happened to JD Vance?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

Ah yes, let us all shed a tear for those forgotten Yale graduates who are so marginalized in our society.

Seriously. He hobnobs with tech bros, but he's part of the "forgotten"? hm. yea. ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking out for average Americans:

“But Vance went against most in his party to support new funding for the Affordable Connectivity Program, which provided a monthly subsidy to low-income Americans to pay for internet service. That service was provided by companies including Charter, the parent of Spectrum News.”

“Before the program expired earlier this year, Vance was among just three Republicans in the Senate to co-sponsor renewal legislation.”

“Yes, the ACP program costs money,” Vance said in May. “But if you give people access to broadband and they're able to participate in telehealth, they save a lot of money on their health care costs. The government that sometimes pays for those health care expenses is saving a lot of money. That, of course, flows back to the consumers in the form of tax benefits.”


https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2024/07/19/jd-vance-senate-record#:~:text=As%20a%20freshman%20senator%20in,vetoed%20by%20President%20Joe%20Biden.

and which side came up with that idea? Sure wasn't the Rs. Seems to me the Dems are better at "looking out for the average Americans". If he becomes VP, he won't be siding with the Dems for anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

what purpose is this guy going to serve?

also, it's not only about getting votes. he could be taking away some votes trump is getting.

He is going to be his loyal attack dog who speaks well and jumps whenever Trump says "how high". He will have no ideas of his own and be completely beholden to Trump. What independent base does Vance have outside of Trump's political patronage? Additionally, if Trump wins he will hold the reins of the party probably until he dies. This is an audition for flag bearer who Trump will control even after he is out of office.

when trump is out of office (assuming he gets into the office) he will be 80+. he is not going to control anything for long.

Won't that go to Don Jr?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

what purpose is this guy going to serve?

also, it's not only about getting votes. he could be taking away some votes trump is getting.

He is going to be his loyal attack dog who speaks well and jumps whenever Trump says "how high". He will have no ideas of his own and be completely beholden to Trump. What independent base does Vance have outside of Trump's political patronage? Additionally, if Trump wins he will hold the reins of the party probably until he dies. This is an audition for flag bearer who Trump will control even after he is out of office.

when trump is out of office (assuming he gets into the office) he will be 80+. he is not going to control anything for long.

Won't that go to Don Jr?

If our awful two major parties have any say in the matter, POTUS nominees will now be appointed by party leaders going forward. Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

Ah yes, let us all shed a tear for those forgotten Yale graduates who are so marginalized in our society.

Seriously. He hobnobs with tech bros, but he's part of the "forgotten"? hm. yea. ok.

And he and wife went from California residents to Del Ray, Arlington residents. The Ohio senator and his family never actually lived in Ohio. He hasn't been an Ohio resident since college over 15 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

He wrote a book that was very nasty towards the forgotten.

Who funded his book? What was the subtext of the book?

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Anonymous wrote:“MIDDLETOWN, Ohio –– Ohio Sen. JD Vance said Monday he would fight for “forgotten communities all across our country” if elected as vice president, channeling his small town Ohio upbringing into a populist economic message.

“My life wasn't all that different from a lot of people who grew up in Middletown, Ohio,” he said. “It was tough, but it was surrounded by loving people, and it was surrounded by something that if we don't fight for is not going to be around for the next generation of kids, and that's opportunity.””

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/22/nx-s1-5048679/jd-vance-middletown-ohio-rally-kamala-harris-joe-biden

Love him!! Feeling fired up to have a candidate who understands small town America. Let’go JD!!!!

Then you clearly tune out other pols who say the same. It would be great if the GOP had even one policy, let alone a program, where they discussed their opportunity approach for the next generation. They cannot do so. They have nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:This slimy dork is an intel creation just like Obama. Literally the same Obama template with the never had a real job in his life, astroturfed memoir, to junior senator, to presidential election.

I'd take Obama or Vance over Trump or Biden any day. Competence does matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree. Kamala’s VP pick will move votes...but only if she goes with someone like Kelly.

Any of the proposed picks is better than Vance. None of them can be compared to Vance because Vance has zero to show for the last 20 years save money from an advance on an "elegy" that is being shredded day by day.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree.

Trump picked Pence for a reason -- it was to sway the Evangelical votes.

Do you really think the Evangelical vote needed swaying?

TBH, some actually are pious. They are not all hypocrites even if I do not support them.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a political moderate who despises the progressive left (views them as a group that is as explicitly harmful to the US as the far right), but who also cannot stand Vance. This Twitter thread speaks for a lot of politically moderate women I know.

Yeah, and the difference between the progressive left and JD Vance is that the progressive left is off scrounging in a dumpster for a new tent to put up at SUNY New Paltz's quad so they can REALLY show Israel what is up, and Vance is VERY close to being vice-president and given Trump's age, he'll like finish some of the term. So, prioritize...

The fact that you compare a bunch of 20 year olds to a 39 year old says so much about you.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree.

Trump picked Pence for a reason -- it was to sway the Evangelical votes.

What are you talking about? Vance does not believe in G*d, he is clearly an atheist. He was married in a Hindu ceremony. He only fake converted to Catholicism before running for senate - wife nor kids are Catholic. His wife's eyes were wide open and head high during moments of prayer at RNC.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

That is all cliche fake crap. David Brooks wrote similar nonsense decades ago, claiming mentor William Buckley taught him social graces like that. I would bet anything that's where J.D. ripped it from. He's a con man fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

You can't be serious, are you? He opposes any extant program or proposed policy that has any ameliorative effect on their lives. Cut Medicare/Social Security and these folks will not just be forgotten but dead.