What the hell happened to JD Vance?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

what purpose is this guy going to serve?

also, it's not only about getting votes. he could be taking away some votes trump is getting.

He is going to be his loyal attack dog who speaks well and jumps whenever Trump says "how high". He will have no ideas of his own and be completely beholden to Trump. What independent base does Vance have outside of Trump's political patronage? Additionally, if Trump wins he will hold the reins of the party probably until he dies. This is an audition for flag bearer who Trump will control even after he is out of office.

when trump is out of office (assuming he gets into the office) he will be 80+. he is not going to control anything for long.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

And he will lose by 100k votes, which a good VP pick could have gotten him.

We will see. He is not relying on any VP to get votes though. That is not his mindset. You are using the mindset of a normal politician, which Trump is not.

I’m using 4th grade math. Which Trump finds challenging.

I bet you were using the same math in 2016 too...

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My millennial daughter says JD Vance is “scaring the hoes”. Really bad pick

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Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him.

This is confusing. Who wouldn't vote for Cookie Monster?

Good point. The cookie platform is strong.

I wouldn’t. Cookie Monster isn’t allowed to talk about cookies anymore. He talks about vegetables now.

We used to be a proper country.

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Anonymous wrote:My millennial daughter says JD Vance is “scaring the hoes”. Really bad pick

Hoes for Kamala!

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

what purpose is this guy going to serve?

also, it's not only about getting votes. he could be taking away some votes trump is getting.

He is going to be his loyal attack dog who speaks well and jumps whenever Trump says "how high". He will have no ideas of his own and be completely beholden to Trump. What independent base does Vance have outside of Trump's political patronage? Additionally, if Trump wins he will hold the reins of the party probably until he dies. This is an audition for flag bearer who Trump will control even after he is out of office.

when trump is out of office (assuming he gets into the office) he will be 80+. he is not going to control anything for long.

If he wins office, he will at least control the party for the rest of his life and possibly even exert some influence from the grave, such is his grip on his core base.

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Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

Like the farmers who JD’s venture capital firm has sold the land of to foreign investors. Like that kind of forgotten?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

Ah yes, let us all shed a tear for those forgotten Yale graduates who are so marginalized in our society.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoopsie.

I'm so ready for this!

Baby, let the games begin!

May the Odds Be Ever In Your Favor.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

And he will lose by 100k votes, which a good VP pick could have gotten him.

We will see. He is not relying on any VP to get votes though. That is not his mindset. You are using the mindset of a normal politician, which Trump is not.

I’m using 4th grade math. Which Trump finds challenging.

I bet you were using the same math in 2016 too...

Nope. In 2016 I tried New Math. Didn’t work right. Now I’m back to plain old columns of numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

He wrote a book that was very nasty towards the forgotten.

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Looking out for average Americans:

“But Vance went against most in his party to support new funding for the Affordable Connectivity Program, which provided a monthly subsidy to low-income Americans to pay for internet service. That service was provided by companies including Charter, the parent of Spectrum News.”

“Before the program expired earlier this year, Vance was among just three Republicans in the Senate to co-sponsor renewal legislation.”

“Yes, the ACP program costs money,” Vance said in May. “But if you give people access to broadband and they're able to participate in telehealth, they save a lot of money on their health care costs. The government that sometimes pays for those health care expenses is saving a lot of money. That, of course, flows back to the consumers in the form of tax benefits.”


https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2024/07/19/jd-vance-senate-record#:~:text=As%20a%20freshman%20senator%20in,vetoed%20by%20President%20Joe%20Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:He turned out to be just another spineless opportunist, like every other Republican who wants us to forget they once opposed Trump?

Thus

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

He wrote a book that was very nasty towards the forgotten.

+1

And in the same vein as “the only moral abortion is my abortion,” only JD was the good kind of poor person in his telling.