Why are book banners showing up at FCPS SB meetings

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so a parent brings up a legitimate complaint about pedophilia in a high school library and we are somehow talking about trump and youngkin?

Step away from politics for two seconds. Kiddy porn shouldn’t be supported by either party!

The problem is that it’s utterly illegitimate. There is no pornography involved. And idiot dupes like you just keep repeating the lies without even bothering to read either book that you’re so lathered up about. It’s reprehensible. You are reprehensible. You are getting your dopamine hits from repeating outrage manufactured by political operatives.

You
Haven’t
Read
Either
Book

You are actually taking time out of your day to post in favor of banning a. Book you have never read. What happened to you as a child that made you so easily led?

Honest question? Were those images I saw on Twitter of animated oral sex not accurate? Cause there’s no way that’s not pornography

Let’s see what happens if the students at all the schools with copies of this book try to include these images in their student yearbooks. The odds are 99.5% they’d be censored by the faculty advisors or principals.

But because they were called out at a meeting that embarrassed the 12-0 Democrat School Board, the usual suspects are going to claim they are perfectly acceptable.

“I’d like two things that are not equivalent, Alex”

One book out of 50,000 in a school library collection is not equal to a school sponsored publication that is distributed to the entire student body. The same way me telling my best friend privately about my period pain is not the same as delivering a high school commencement so each on the same topic.

Why is this so hard?

(Because you are responding to trolls. No one is actually This stupid. Right?)

Your analogy isn’t on point, so the prior comment stands. A book in a public school library has the imprimatur of public officials as suitable reading material, unlike your private conversation with your friend.

The School Board needs to insist on some accountability here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so a parent brings up a legitimate complaint about pedophilia in a high school library and we are somehow talking about trump and youngkin?

Step away from politics for two seconds. Kiddy porn shouldn’t be supported by either party!

The problem is that it’s utterly illegitimate. There is no pornography involved. And idiot dupes like you just keep repeating the lies without even bothering to read either book that you’re so lathered up about. It’s reprehensible. You are reprehensible. You are getting your dopamine hits from repeating outrage manufactured by political operatives.

You
Haven’t
Read
Either
Book

You are actually taking time out of your day to post in favor of banning a. Book you have never read. What happened to you as a child that made you so easily led?

Honest question? Were those images I saw on Twitter of animated oral sex not accurate? Cause there’s no way that’s not pornography

Let’s see what happens if the students at all the schools with copies of this book try to include these images in their student yearbooks. The odds are 99.5% they’d be censored by the faculty advisors or principals.

But because they were called out at a meeting that embarrassed the 12-0 Democrat School Board, the usual suspects are going to claim they are perfectly acceptable.

“I’d like two things that are not equivalent, Alex”

One book out of 50,000 in a school library collection is not equal to a school sponsored publication that is distributed to the entire student body. The same way me telling my best friend privately about my period pain is not the same as delivering a high school commencement so each on the same topic.

Why is this so hard?

(Because you are responding to trolls. No one is actually This stupid. Right?)

Your analogy isn’t on point, so the prior comment stands. A book in a public school library has the imprimatur of public officials as suitable reading material, unlike your private conversation with your friend.

The School Board needs to insist on some accountability here.

Here you go:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/is706.pdf

Account away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so a parent brings up a legitimate complaint about pedophilia in a high school library and we are somehow talking about trump and youngkin?

Step away from politics for two seconds. Kiddy porn shouldn’t be supported by either party!

The problem is that it’s utterly illegitimate. There is no pornography involved. And idiot dupes like you just keep repeating the lies without even bothering to read either book that you’re so lathered up about. It’s reprehensible. You are reprehensible. You are getting your dopamine hits from repeating outrage manufactured by political operatives.

You
Haven’t
Read
Either
Book

You are actually taking time out of your day to post in favor of banning a. Book you have never read. What happened to you as a child that made you so easily led?

Honest question? Were those images I saw on Twitter of animated oral sex not accurate? Cause there’s no way that’s not pornography

Let’s see what happens if the students at all the schools with copies of this book try to include these images in their student yearbooks. The odds are 99.5% they’d be censored by the faculty advisors or principals.

But because they were called out at a meeting that embarrassed the 12-0 Democrat School Board, the usual suspects are going to claim they are perfectly acceptable.

“I’d like two things that are not equivalent, Alex”

One book out of 50,000 in a school library collection is not equal to a school sponsored publication that is distributed to the entire student body. The same way me telling my best friend privately about my period pain is not the same as delivering a high school commencement so each on the same topic.

Why is this so hard?

(Because you are responding to trolls. No one is actually This stupid. Right?)

Your analogy isn’t on point, so the prior comment stands. A book in a public school library has the imprimatur of public officials as suitable reading material, unlike your private conversation with your friend.

The School Board needs to insist on some accountability here.

Utterly false equivalence. No one thinks that a library endorses every idea in every book. I think some books are terrible (*cough* Ulysses *cough*) but I don’t argue against them being in a high school library. Your stance is akin to the eejits who oppose Harry Potter in school because it promotes witchcraft. Guess what? Harry Potter-was not suitable for my kindergartener, nor was Are You There, God? it’s Me, Margaret. But they were perfectly fine for the 6th graders who had access to them in the same library. And if my kindergartner happened upon them before I could see they were in his backpack? No harm, no foul. A chance for conversation, maybe.

My 3rd grader doesn’t have access to either of these books in his school library. But what if he had an older sibling who brought one home and he saw the page in question? Sigh. It’s not that hard. I’d explain that the two people are grownups. I’d explain that, as best I understand it, the main character feels confused in their body and sometimes feels like a woman or sometimes a man or sometimes both or neither, and that they don’t have a penis so they tried one on, kind of like a fake penis on the front of a pear of underwear. And it was a pretty silly idea for the other one to put the toy penis in their mouth! But look…it didn’t feel right so the main character asked the other person to do something else and they smiled and felt good, and that’s what people do when they respect each other’s bodies. If one person doesn’t like what you’re doing, you stop.

When I first read this outrage on Thursday night, I thought WTF?! The quote sounded outrageous. How could this happen? And then I read Lawn Boy and there was no pedophilia in it. Just a young adult reflecting on how erased he felt by a guy with whom he has sexually experimented in 4th grade. Guess what? Same thing happened to me with a girl I sort of fooled around with in 6th grade not even knowing what we were doing, who then pretended she didn’t know me in high school. So I’m not the only one. It wasn’t even remotely pornographic and had nothing whatsoever to do with pedophilia.

Then I actually read parts of Gender Queer and it, too, is about as far from pornography as you can get. There is nothing “graphic” on the page where the MC tries on a strap on. No middle school or high school kid is going to be shocked by news that something protrudes from Boy underwear or at the concept of blow jobs. But this isn’t even a blow job! It’s someone trying on a fake penis and realizing it’s awkward and not fun and then negotiating respectful consent and a change. But not arousing. Not meant to arouse. Awkward and uncommon, sure. But hardly sexy and certainly not porn. I can’t imagine my son ever taking it out but if he did, it wouldn’t HARM him.

So, the claim of “pedophilia” is a lie. Graphic sex scene claim is a lie. A cartoonish drawing of awkward play with a strap-on is unusual but hardly merits a full scale book burning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so a parent brings up a legitimate complaint about pedophilia in a high school library and we are somehow talking about trump and youngkin?

Step away from politics for two seconds. Kiddy porn shouldn’t be supported by either party!

The problem is that it’s utterly illegitimate. There is no pornography involved. And idiot dupes like you just keep repeating the lies without even bothering to read either book that you’re so lathered up about. It’s reprehensible. You are reprehensible. You are getting your dopamine hits from repeating outrage manufactured by political operatives.

You
Haven’t
Read
Either
Book

You are actually taking time out of your day to post in favor of banning a. Book you have never read. What happened to you as a child that made you so easily led?

Honest question? Were those images I saw on Twitter of animated oral sex not accurate? Cause there’s no way that’s not pornography

Let’s see what happens if the students at all the schools with copies of this book try to include these images in their student yearbooks. The odds are 99.5% they’d be censored by the faculty advisors or principals.

But because they were called out at a meeting that embarrassed the 12-0 Democrat School Board, the usual suspects are going to claim they are perfectly acceptable.

“I’d like two things that are not equivalent, Alex”

One book out of 50,000 in a school library collection is not equal to a school sponsored publication that is distributed to the entire student body. The same way me telling my best friend privately about my period pain is not the same as delivering a high school commencement so each on the same topic.

Why is this so hard?

(Because you are responding to trolls. No one is actually This stupid. Right?)

Your analogy isn’t on point, so the prior comment stands. A book in a public school library has the imprimatur of public officials as suitable reading material, unlike your private conversation with your friend.

The School Board needs to insist on some accountability here.

Utterly false equivalence. No one thinks that a library endorses every idea in every book. I think some books are terrible (*cough* Ulysses *cough*) but I don’t argue against them being in a high school library. Your stance is akin to the eejits who oppose Harry Potter in school because it promotes witchcraft. Guess what? Harry Potter-was not suitable for my kindergartener, nor was Are You There, God? it’s Me, Margaret. But they were perfectly fine for the 6th graders who had access to them in the same library. And if my kindergartner happened upon them before I could see they were in his backpack? No harm, no foul. A chance for conversation, maybe.

My 3rd grader doesn’t have access to either of these books in his school library. But what if he had an older sibling who brought one home and he saw the page in question? Sigh. It’s not that hard. I’d explain that the two people are grownups. I’d explain that, as best I understand it, the main character feels confused in their body and sometimes feels like a woman or sometimes a man or sometimes both or neither, and that they don’t have a penis so they tried one on, kind of like a fake penis on the front of a pear of underwear. And it was a pretty silly idea for the other one to put the toy penis in their mouth! But look…it didn’t feel right so the main character asked the other person to do something else and they smiled and felt good, and that’s what people do when they respect each other’s bodies. If one person doesn’t like what you’re doing, you stop.

When I first read this outrage on Thursday night, I thought WTF?! The quote sounded outrageous. How could this happen? And then I read Lawn Boy and there was no pedophilia in it. Just a young adult reflecting on how erased he felt by a guy with whom he has sexually experimented in 4th grade. Guess what? Same thing happened to me with a girl I sort of fooled around with in 6th grade not even knowing what we were doing, who then pretended she didn’t know me in high school. So I’m not the only one. It wasn’t even remotely pornographic and had nothing whatsoever to do with pedophilia.

Then I actually read parts of Gender Queer and it, too, is about as far from pornography as you can get. There is nothing “graphic” on the page where the MC tries on a strap on. No middle school or high school kid is going to be shocked by news that something protrudes from Boy underwear or at the concept of blow jobs. But this isn’t even a blow job! It’s someone trying on a fake penis and realizing it’s awkward and not fun and then negotiating respectful consent and a change. But not arousing. Not meant to arouse. Awkward and uncommon, sure. But hardly sexy and certainly not porn. I can’t imagine my son ever taking it out but if he did, it wouldn’t HARM him.

So, the claim of “pedophilia” is a lie. Graphic sex scene claim is a lie. A cartoonish drawing of awkward play with a strap-on is unusual but hardly merits a full scale book burning.

Wow. You have some f’d up values. You’d discuss a strap on with a third grader? And putting a penis in one’s mouth?

[Anonymous]

Ah, the hoops that some people will jump through to demonstrate their allegiance to those now in charge in Fairfax. The sycophancy is almost as revolting as the obscenity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ah, the hoops that some people will jump through to demonstrate their allegiance to those now in charge in Fairfax. The sycophancy is almost as revolting as the obscenity.

The books are fine.

The lies and misinformation you are pushing are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, the hoops that some people will jump through to demonstrate their allegiance to those now in charge in Fairfax. The sycophancy is almost as revolting as the obscenity.

The books are fine.

The lies and misinformation you are pushing are not.

You are so afraid of being associated with the so called “Trumphumpers” that you’ve convinced yourself of this.

Unbelievable. Those books are not fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender Queer does not have any underage sex acts. The main character is a virgin until age 25. But there is talk/graphics about menstruation, breasts, vagina, pretending to have a penis, etc.

Later when the main character is much older there is more sexualized talk. Perhaps it’s better for a college library than high school.

I don't want my child in any school where they read about or talk about their genitals unless it's in a scientific or medical discussion. It's NOT appropriate.

Same poster - If it's not appropriate to discuss at work, it's not appropriate at school. I cannot go to a coworkers office and talk about my genitals or sex. We have trainings for that. It is considered sexual harassment.

No one was discussing it. It’s a library book your teen can check out on their own.

So, could I provide the excerpts in question to my coworkers or boss? How about if I pretend the main character is myself, and I email the story about "me" to my coworkers and boss? How about in a federal workplace? Would I be safe from a sexual harassment complaint? NO. Because it's inappropriate.

How will children today comprehend what is sexually appropriate vs. inappropriate when they in a professional setting? I forsee a lot of blunders landing these future workers in very hot water because their view of "appropriate" will be so, so divergent than our own upbringing.

If I started emailing my coworkers excepts from The Bible or the Quran, I'd get in trouble. Does that mean we need to take those of the shelves of school libraries?

Wait.. what? The Quran and the Bible are in the school library... now that could really get the RNC ginned up. Alert the press.

🚨 🚨 🚨 GOP OUTRAGE ALERT 🚨 🚨 🚨

Attention, brainless plebes. Please be aware that FCPS has disgusting filth - the Bible and Quran - in the school libraries.

Proceed with full outrage mode.

love it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender Queer does not have any underage sex acts. The main character is a virgin until age 25. But there is talk/graphics about menstruation, breasts, vagina, pretending to have a penis, etc.

Later when the main character is much older there is more sexualized talk. Perhaps it’s better for a college library than high school.

I don't want my child in any school where they read about or talk about their genitals unless it's in a scientific or medical discussion. It's NOT appropriate.

Same poster - If it's not appropriate to discuss at work, it's not appropriate at school. I cannot go to a coworkers office and talk about my genitals or sex. We have trainings for that. It is considered sexual harassment.

No one was discussing it. It’s a library book your teen can check out on their own.

So, could I provide the excerpts in question to my coworkers or boss? How about if I pretend the main character is myself, and I email the story about "me" to my coworkers and boss? How about in a federal workplace? Would I be safe from a sexual harassment complaint? NO. Because it's inappropriate.

How will children today comprehend what is sexually appropriate vs. inappropriate when they in a professional setting? I forsee a lot of blunders landing these future workers in very hot water because their view of "appropriate" will be so, so divergent than our own upbringing.

If I started emailing my coworkers excepts from The Bible or the Quran, I'd get in trouble. Does that mean we need to take those of the shelves of school libraries?

Wait.. what? The Quran and the Bible are in the school library... now that could really get the RNC ginned up. Alert the press.

🚨 🚨 🚨 GOP OUTRAGE ALERT 🚨 🚨 🚨

Attention, brainless plebes. Please be aware that FCPS has disgusting filth - the Bible and Quran - in the school libraries.

Proceed with full outrage mode.

love it!

You do realize that Republicans love the Bible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, the hoops that some people will jump through to demonstrate their allegiance to those now in charge in Fairfax. The sycophancy is almost as revolting as the obscenity.

The books are fine.

The lies and misinformation you are pushing are not.

That’s your opinion. Let’s see what this so called “committee” decides in regards to the books.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender Queer does not have any underage sex acts. The main character is a virgin until age 25. But there is talk/graphics about menstruation, breasts, vagina, pretending to have a penis, etc.

Later when the main character is much older there is more sexualized talk. Perhaps it’s better for a college library than high school.

I don't want my child in any school where they read about or talk about their genitals unless it's in a scientific or medical discussion. It's NOT appropriate.

Same poster - If it's not appropriate to discuss at work, it's not appropriate at school. I cannot go to a coworkers office and talk about my genitals or sex. We have trainings for that. It is considered sexual harassment.

No one was discussing it. It’s a library book your teen can check out on their own.

So, could I provide the excerpts in question to my coworkers or boss? How about if I pretend the main character is myself, and I email the story about "me" to my coworkers and boss? How about in a federal workplace? Would I be safe from a sexual harassment complaint? NO. Because it's inappropriate.

How will children today comprehend what is sexually appropriate vs. inappropriate when they in a professional setting? I forsee a lot of blunders landing these future workers in very hot water because their view of "appropriate" will be so, so divergent than our own upbringing.

If I started emailing my coworkers excepts from The Bible or the Quran, I'd get in trouble. Does that mean we need to take those of the shelves of school libraries?

Wait.. what? The Quran and the Bible are in the school library... now that could really get the RNC ginned up. Alert the press.

🚨 🚨 🚨 GOP OUTRAGE ALERT 🚨 🚨 🚨

Attention, brainless plebes. Please be aware that FCPS has disgusting filth - the Bible and Quran - in the school libraries.

Proceed with full outrage mode.

love it!

You do realize that Republicans love the Bible?

Lol. It’s another book they get all fired up about but haven’t actually read.

At least the Jesus parts at least, they clearly haven’t read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so a parent brings up a legitimate complaint about pedophilia in a high school library and we are somehow talking about trump and youngkin?

Step away from politics for two seconds. Kiddy porn shouldn’t be supported by either party!

The problem is that it’s utterly illegitimate. There is no pornography involved. And idiot dupes like you just keep repeating the lies without even bothering to read either book that you’re so lathered up about. It’s reprehensible. You are reprehensible. You are getting your dopamine hits from repeating outrage manufactured by political operatives.

You
Haven’t
Read
Either
Book

You are actually taking time out of your day to post in favor of banning a. Book you have never read. What happened to you as a child that made you so easily led?

Honest question? Were those images I saw on Twitter of animated oral sex not accurate? Cause there’s no way that’s not pornography

Let’s see what happens if the students at all the schools with copies of this book try to include these images in their student yearbooks. The odds are 99.5% they’d be censored by the faculty advisors or principals.

But because they were called out at a meeting that embarrassed the 12-0 Democrat School Board, the usual suspects are going to claim they are perfectly acceptable.

“I’d like two things that are not equivalent, Alex”

One book out of 50,000 in a school library collection is not equal to a school sponsored publication that is distributed to the entire student body. The same way me telling my best friend privately about my period pain is not the same as delivering a high school commencement so each on the same topic.

Why is this so hard?

(Because you are responding to trolls. No one is actually This stupid. Right?)

Your analogy isn’t on point, so the prior comment stands. A book in a public school library has the imprimatur of public officials as suitable reading material, unlike your private conversation with your friend.

The School Board needs to insist on some accountability here.

Utterly false equivalence. No one thinks that a library endorses every idea in every book. I think some books are terrible (*cough* Ulysses *cough*) but I don’t argue against them being in a high school library. Your stance is akin to the eejits who oppose Harry Potter in school because it promotes witchcraft. Guess what? Harry Potter-was not suitable for my kindergartener, nor was Are You There, God? it’s Me, Margaret. But they were perfectly fine for the 6th graders who had access to them in the same library. And if my kindergartner happened upon them before I could see they were in his backpack? No harm, no foul. A chance for conversation, maybe.

My 3rd grader doesn’t have access to either of these books in his school library. But what if he had an older sibling who brought one home and he saw the page in question? Sigh. It’s not that hard. I’d explain that the two people are grownups. I’d explain that, as best I understand it, the main character feels confused in their body and sometimes feels like a woman or sometimes a man or sometimes both or neither, and that they don’t have a penis so they tried one on, kind of like a fake penis on the front of a pear of underwear. And it was a pretty silly idea for the other one to put the toy penis in their mouth! But look…it didn’t feel right so the main character asked the other person to do something else and they smiled and felt good, and that’s what people do when they respect each other’s bodies. If one person doesn’t like what you’re doing, you stop.

When I first read this outrage on Thursday night, I thought WTF?! The quote sounded outrageous. How could this happen? And then I read Lawn Boy and there was no pedophilia in it. Just a young adult reflecting on how erased he felt by a guy with whom he has sexually experimented in 4th grade. Guess what? Same thing happened to me with a girl I sort of fooled around with in 6th grade not even knowing what we were doing, who then pretended she didn’t know me in high school. So I’m not the only one. It wasn’t even remotely pornographic and had nothing whatsoever to do with pedophilia.

Then I actually read parts of Gender Queer and it, too, is about as far from pornography as you can get. There is nothing “graphic” on the page where the MC tries on a strap on. No middle school or high school kid is going to be shocked by news that something protrudes from Boy underwear or at the concept of blow jobs. But this isn’t even a blow job! It’s someone trying on a fake penis and realizing it’s awkward and not fun and then negotiating respectful consent and a change. But not arousing. Not meant to arouse. Awkward and uncommon, sure. But hardly sexy and certainly not porn. I can’t imagine my son ever taking it out but if he did, it wouldn’t HARM him.

So, the claim of “pedophilia” is a lie. Graphic sex scene claim is a lie. A cartoonish drawing of awkward play with a strap-on is unusual but hardly merits a full scale book burning.

Wow. You have some f’d up values. You’d discuss a strap on with a third grader? And putting a penis in one’s mouth?

Point is, this is not a book that my 3rd grader would have access to in the school library. But if by chance he came upon it, it wouldn’t hurt him to turn the pages in it, not like porn would. He would have questions about menstruation or shaving body hair or why someone would wear a pretend penis. But that page in particular is not particularly shocking and doesn’t even have an actual penis. It’s nothing like pornography. My 3rd grader does know body parts, does know about consent, and does know the basics of where babies come from. Our values focus on taking care of others and ourselves, trying to do good in the world, avoiding harm to others, and making the world a better place when we can. Nothing in these books violates my values.

[Anonymous]

The hilarious part is when the smug a-holes defending smut revert to their usual condescending patterns.

[Anonymous]

It would be nice if Fairfax Dems were as passionate about academics as they are about these books.

I guess they need to prioritize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if Fairfax Dems were as passionate about academics as they are about these books.

I guess they need to prioritize.

Part of being passionate about academics is showing respect for the hard work of our teachers and librarians, respecting their training, professionalism, and dedication. Cherry-picking quotes and mischarateyizing their context in order to demonize our educators is not good for academics, not good for children, not good for communities. Our teachers have been under siege this year from attacks from rabid parents taking out their COVID rage on them. Now we have political agitators attacking school librarians. So yeah, I’m going to stand my ground against that.

You know what? There is also a book that they’re forcing FRESHMEN to read and it involves kids of middle school age having sex, running away from home, and overdosing on drugs! And it glorifies defying parents and dying by suicide!!!!!! OMG! Call the GOP!

(Oh, wait. It’s not a gay relationship so apparently all that is okay.)