ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?

I notice this too.
Every time an obviously very experienced LEO explains the myriad ways in which these ICE officers exceeded their authority, the MAGA cult completely ignores it and continues with its ignorance and lies.

I'm a LEO. My goal is to go home safely after work. At the Academy we were taught that in case of doubt, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. People who deliberately place themselves in positions where they can reasonably be perceived as threats have only themselves to blame for the consequences if the LEO they choose to confront sees their behavior as threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force. Playing chicken with a LEO on the assumption that your behavior won't be perceived that way is demonstrably reckless, foolish, and stupid.

I bolded the part where the ice baby got himself into trouble.

Two times the murderer somehow found himself near a car in the street and claimed self defense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?

I notice this too.
Every time an obviously very experienced LEO explains the myriad ways in which these ICE officers exceeded their authority, the MAGA cult completely ignores it and continues with its ignorance and lies.

I'm a LEO. My goal is to go home safely after work. At the Academy we were taught that in case of doubt, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. People who deliberately place themselves in positions where they can reasonably be perceived as threats have only themselves to blame for the consequences if the LEO they choose to confront sees their behavior as threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force. Playing chicken with a LEO on the assumption that your behavior won't be perceived that way is demonstrably reckless, foolish, and stupid.

This is correct.

And he'll be able to that case at court. This will follow him for years.

Agree. And judgement will be based on if it was reasonable for him to fear serous bodily harm to himself or partners, from his perspective, in that moment.

So why not shoot the wheels instead of her head three times?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?

I notice this too.
Every time an obviously very experienced LEO explains the myriad ways in which these ICE officers exceeded their authority, the MAGA cult completely ignores it and continues with its ignorance and lies.

I'm a LEO. My goal is to go home safely after work. At the Academy we were taught that in case of doubt, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. People who deliberately place themselves in positions where they can reasonably be perceived as threats have only themselves to blame for the consequences if the LEO they choose to confront sees their behavior as threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force. Playing chicken with a LEO on the assumption that your behavior won't be perceived that way is demonstrably reckless, foolish, and stupid.

I bolded the part where the ice baby got himself into trouble.

Two times the murderer somehow found himself near a car in the street and claimed self defense.

Exactly. The person who made a poor decision that created a bad situation is the ICE officer. He wanted to kill someone. He manufactured a situation where he thought he could get away with it. We can all see the truth on the videos. He is a cold blooded murderer. Lock him up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This happened after the shooting of Renee Good. An ICE agent took offense at a woman filming him and threatened her indirectly: "Have you all not learned from the past couple of days?" He then knocked her phone out of her hand.

What an absolute clown. He didn't like being challenged on his threat, had no answer to it, and resorted to violence.

Has this agent been identified?

Apparently Noem doxxed him as 43-year-old Jonathan Ross, an ICE agent with a long history on the job. Apparently he also fears for his life a lot, because after a different poorly run traffic stop thing six months ago, and then after shooting this woman in the face and calling her a "f**king b***h" in the audio of the video he uploaded/leaked, he's now in hiding.

They can protect him just fine in jail while he awaits his trial for murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Are you a sworn employee?

Do you counter any of their points?

I’m starting with the most important point first. It’s germane to the conversation. You indicated you work for a major metropolitan police department. That was obviously intended to convey a certain level of knowledge about the department’s General Orders concerning patrol, and the training necessary to meet your cities requirements for certification.

PP here. Sworn. Better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?

I notice this too.
Every time an obviously very experienced LEO explains the myriad ways in which these ICE officers exceeded their authority, the MAGA cult completely ignores it and continues with its ignorance and lies.

I'm a LEO. My goal is to go home safely after work. At the Academy we were taught that in case of doubt, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. People who deliberately place themselves in positions where they can reasonably be perceived as threats have only themselves to blame for the consequences if the LEO they choose to confront sees their behavior as threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force. Playing chicken with a LEO on the assumption that your behavior won't be perceived that way is demonstrably reckless, foolish, and stupid.

I bolded the part where the ice baby got himself into trouble.

Two times the murderer somehow found himself near a car in the street and claimed self defense.

Ross isn’t getting enough adrenaline out of his monthly brow threading and trying to keep his wife from seeing his second and third email accounts linked to his currently deactivated (same day as the murder) Grindr account. He keeps jumping in front of cars like an insurance fraud wannabe to get off. If he can’t dirty talk a fellow closet case or abuse a woman, Ross isn’t living.

Every woman with a 3 digit IQ knows what this fknut is. All of us have dealt with deranged, hopeless, hideous men. All of us.

[Anonymous]

Ross needs to be locked up. His gun needs to be confiscated. He is a danger to the society with such a short fuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And this is all there is to it

Yep. The Boston massacre started the same way. And those people are heralded as patriots.

What value is there to being heralded as a patriot when you are dead? I’m sure it was cold comfort to their families. How many people can name the victims of the Boston Massacre? They didn’t think they’d be killed that day either. That kind of “you’ll be remembered as a hero” is the kind of nationalist nonsense that has gotten young men killed for millennia. BTW none of the soldiers in the Boston Massacre faced any consequences of note.

None of this is surprising. Not then, not now. Protesting is great but think about what and how you are doing it. Lest you become a “hero”.

Some things are bigger than you, snowflake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.

Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .

NP and I won't call you a collaborator. I totally understand and have been thinking a lot about the privilege I have attending protests because a) I am white b) I have the means to call a lawyer immediately c) I am I over 50 and my kids don't need me the way they used to. I think about these privileges every time I attend a protest with the awareness that 10-15 years ago, I would not have dared to make the same choices.

But that said, it would have been a choice to prioritize one responsibility over another. I would not have changed my understanding of injustice. And I would have been grateful of those who took on the risks.

I think PPs are reacting negatively because sounds like you are implicitly criticizing the person who makes a different decision instead of criticizing the person who murdered her.

Thank you for taking the time to post this comment. Although not in every post, I have actually said several times that she didn't deserve to die and that he was wrong. I still believe we all make choices and that results/consequences may not be fair, rational, or what we wanted. Life can be very hard. My children are my priority.

If you are saying you would fear to protest injustice, because you don't want to lose your life and orphan your children, that says a lot about how far this country has fallen. The Trump administration has made us as bad as all the other horrible autocracies we watch in horror as they kill their own people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?

I notice this too.
Every time an obviously very experienced LEO explains the myriad ways in which these ICE officers exceeded their authority, the MAGA cult completely ignores it and continues with its ignorance and lies.

I'm a LEO. My goal is to go home safely after work. At the Academy we were taught that in case of doubt, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. People who deliberately place themselves in positions where they can reasonably be perceived as threats have only themselves to blame for the consequences if the LEO they choose to confront sees their behavior as threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force. Playing chicken with a LEO on the assumption that your behavior won't be perceived that way is demonstrably reckless, foolish, and stupid.

This is correct.

And he'll be able to that case at court. This will follow him for years.

Agree. And judgement will be based on if it was reasonable for him to fear serous bodily harm to himself or partners, from his perspective, in that moment.

He step to the car, took his time to aim for the head, fired, the car continued in the direction it was going and he then shot two time through the window at point blank range. He did this while filming. There is no question he is guilty of murder. The protesters in Iran have less to fear from their government vs the people in the US.

Just disgusting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People on this forum and around the country have demonized ICE agents to the point where people feel it is the right thing to drive their car into ICE agents. If the tires hadn't slipped on the ice in the road, the agent would have likely been run over, and many would be celebrating.

This woman had training in resisting ICE, and the trainers likely wanted something like this to happen.

ICE agents have demonized themselves.

They are making social media content to Sabrina carpenter songs. Who is demonizing who?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?

I notice this too.
Every time an obviously very experienced LEO explains the myriad ways in which these ICE officers exceeded their authority, the MAGA cult completely ignores it and continues with its ignorance and lies.

I'm a LEO. My goal is to go home safely after work. At the Academy we were taught that in case of doubt, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. People who deliberately place themselves in positions where they can reasonably be perceived as threats have only themselves to blame for the consequences if the LEO they choose to confront sees their behavior as threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force. Playing chicken with a LEO on the assumption that your behavior won't be perceived that way is demonstrably reckless, foolish, and stupid.

This is correct.

And he'll be able to that case at court. This will follow him for years.

Agree. And judgement will be based on if it was reasonable for him to fear serous bodily harm to himself or partners, from his perspective, in that moment.

He step to the car, took his time to aim for the head, fired, the car continued in the direction it was going and he then shot two time through the window at point blank range. He did this while filming. There is no question he is guilty of murder. The protesters in Iran have less to fear from their government vs the people in the US.

Just disgusting.

While murdering her, he put his partner at risk of an errant bullet and vehicles/pedestrians down the road of a vehicle manned by a dead driver. He'll get to discuss all of this at court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to think about your critical reasoning and logic skills.

Even if we accept (and this is a flawed premise), that Nicole Good was a terrible person, that she was a paid trouble maker, that she deliberately provoked, that was breaking all sorts of laws... what is the logical consequence???

Not three bullets in the face.

Not logical, but it happened. Now her little boy has no parents.

Wow, really???

Do you think a stepparent isn’t a real stepparent when they are in a same sex marriage?

Disgusting. That boy has a stepmother still, one who adored his biological mother and will never let him forget her, her values and her love for him.

Stepmother may not have custody pretty soon; grandparents of the boy already filed for emergency custody hearing. Stepmother pushed the mother to drive into LEO, earned over a million dollars for that, so let see how sympathetic the court is going to be toward her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People on this forum and around the country have demonized ICE agents to the point where people feel it is the right thing to drive their car into ICE agents. If the tires hadn't slipped on the ice in the road, the agent would have likely been run over, and many would be celebrating.

This woman had training in resisting ICE, and the trainers likely wanted something like this to happen.

ICE agents have demonized themselves.

This is exactly right. People haven't "demonized" ICE. People have watched ICE trample human rights and due process and they are rightfully fed up and angry about it. ICE operates like thugs. How do they expect Americans to just ignore this. And if they are part of the federal government, we pay their salaries. We have every right to criticize their performance and call out their inadequacies. We have every right to say they need to change. They work for US.

[Anonymous]

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