ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Bingo. I know an mls coach (pro team) and he told me they were in talks of closing the academy because it’s a money pit and they aren’t seeing any ROI (creating pros). He mentioned the very few kids that do break through only play because injuries. Also noted that the lack of development between 18-22 is a huge problem here.

Nonsense, if you dont develop players yourself you'll need to buy them on the open market competing with other clubs. The cost is the same either way if MLS is looking to field top tier talent. If MLS doesnt want to field top tier talent and you think MLS Next doesnt develop the best players its still cheaper because they have a pool of players to pull from that doesnt cost anything.

Because you don’t agree doesn’t make it untrue. Big market team viewed it as a money pit, that’s a fact. It’s not that they don’t have money to lose, the programs just don’t produce at the level you’re making it seem.


Funny that a few months after talking to the coach, mlsn 2 is created.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Bingo. I know an mls coach (pro team) and he told me they were in talks of closing the academy because it’s a money pit and they aren’t seeing any ROI (creating pros). He mentioned the very few kids that do break through only play because injuries. Also noted that the lack of development between 18-22 is a huge problem here.

Nonsense, if you dont develop players yourself you'll need to buy them on the open market competing with other clubs. The cost is the same either way if MLS is looking to field top tier talent. If MLS doesnt want to field top tier talent and you think MLS Next doesnt develop the best players its still cheaper because they have a pool of players to pull from that doesnt cost anything.

Because you don’t agree doesn’t make it untrue. Big market team viewed it as a money pit, that’s a fact. It’s not that they don’t have money to lose, the programs just don’t produce at the level you’re making it seem.


Funny that a few months after talking to the coach, mlsn 2 is created.

Just offloaded the bills to the parents!

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Pretty simple. Bigger pool of potential players to choose from.

I'm sure multiple P2P clubs want to get involved with MLS but they dont want to run an Academy. The easy way to solve this is MLS2. It's the same thing that happens in other countries with multiple different levels of Academy clubs. The only difference here is that its a mix of Academy and P2P at different levels. Also all players are under MLS contract which means they all funnel up to MLS if theres talent.

I guess you missed, "we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league."

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Bingo. I know an mls coach (pro team) and he told me they were in talks of closing the academy because it’s a money pit and they aren’t seeing any ROI (creating pros). He mentioned the very few kids that do break through only play because injuries. Also noted that the lack of development between 18-22 is a huge problem here.

Nonsense, if you dont develop players yourself you'll need to buy them on the open market competing with other clubs. The cost is the same either way if MLS is looking to field top tier talent. If MLS doesnt want to field top tier talent and you think MLS Next doesnt develop the best players its still cheaper because they have a pool of players to pull from that doesnt cost anything.

Because you don’t agree doesn’t make it untrue. Big market team viewed it as a money pit, that’s a fact. It’s not that they don’t have money to lose, the programs just don’t produce at the level you’re making it seem.


Funny that a few months after talking to the coach, mlsn 2 is created.

So you heard a rumor 2nd hand from another parent and that is somehow true? Give me a break.

The only thing holding MLS back is that its structured like NFL where each club is owned by the league. If this wasnt the case Soccer would be huge in America. Imagine if every club playing in MLS lived and died by winning or losing. Imagine if they had to do all their own marketing. Imagine if there was no such thing as a salary cap.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Bingo. I know an mls coach (pro team) and he told me they were in talks of closing the academy because it’s a money pit and they aren’t seeing any ROI (creating pros). He mentioned the very few kids that do break through only play because injuries. Also noted that the lack of development between 18-22 is a huge problem here.

Nonsense, if you dont develop players yourself you'll need to buy them on the open market competing with other clubs. The cost is the same either way if MLS is looking to field top tier talent. If MLS doesnt want to field top tier talent and you think MLS Next doesnt develop the best players its still cheaper because they have a pool of players to pull from that doesnt cost anything.

That's the thing, you can get marginal players for MLSN for next to nothing with or without MLSN. The MLSN model doesn't work because MLSN salaries are so low and it works best when you lock in relative poor kids/families who don't have other options and have to sign away potential future salaries, potential future salaries that are too low to matter and to low to clawback to cover MLSN academies expenses.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

MLS Next was created (IN THE PAST) to provide MLS pro clubs with local talent ...

... but what you don't understand is that NOW, with the creation of the new Academy Division, the MLS Next is also and mainly a youth league, as ECNL or any other one.

NOW the P2P clubs vastly outnumber the MLS pro clubs at MLS Next.

If MLS Next decides to stay BY the Q3/Q4 talent will fly to ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Bingo. I know an mls coach (pro team) and he told me they were in talks of closing the academy because it’s a money pit and they aren’t seeing any ROI (creating pros). He mentioned the very few kids that do break through only play because injuries. Also noted that the lack of development between 18-22 is a huge problem here.

Nonsense, if you dont develop players yourself you'll need to buy them on the open market competing with other clubs. The cost is the same either way if MLS is looking to field top tier talent. If MLS doesnt want to field top tier talent and you think MLS Next doesnt develop the best players its still cheaper because they have a pool of players to pull from that doesnt cost anything.

That's the thing, you can get marginal players for MLSN for next to nothing with or without MLSN. The MLSN model doesn't work because MLSN salaries are so low and it works best when you lock in relative poor kids/families who don't have other options and have to sign away potential future salaries, potential future salaries that are too low to matter and to low to clawback to cover MLSN academies expenses.

Acadamies exist. I know you hate them and comment how theyre too expensive whenever you can. Its the cost of doing business if you want to play at the highest levels. Also who are you to decide what amount of money players should get from playing a sport professionally? Go back under your rock and tell everyone how the world should be.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Pretty simple. Bigger pool of potential players to choose from.

I'm sure multiple P2P clubs want to get involved with MLS but they dont want to run an Academy. The easy way to solve this is MLS2. It's the same thing that happens in other countries with multiple different levels of Academy clubs. The only difference here is that its a mix of Academy and P2P at different levels. Also all players are under MLS contract which means they all funnel up to MLS if theres talent.

Congrats! This is the most delusional take in the last 30 pages. You get a special badge just for this.

OK you know all apparently.

Watch when MLS takes over P2P and ECNL gets boxed put of playing professionally.

Wait wait, I thought MlSN was a strict path to pro and now you’re saying they’re going to take over P2P? Ok… will check back in on this in a few years I guess.

I don’t think ECNl cares about pro, they seem very college focused. So getting ‘boxed out’ of pro doesn’t seem like a bad thing for them.

You dont have to wait a couple of years. Look at the current makeup of college teams and the players involved. Almost everyone have Euro Acadamy drop outs. Coaches arent going this way because ECNL players help them to win games. They're doing it because P2P players dont compare and they cant win with them.

This is why I’m actually not against grad year. The 20-24 euro is the real competition here. Sending our players to college at 20 evens the playing field

Don’t let the GY hater see this. It will melt their brain to learn we actually need to figure out a system that gives boys a better opportunity to compete against the 22 year old freshman from Europe.
Boys college side is slowly taken over by non American students.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Bingo. I know an mls coach (pro team) and he told me they were in talks of closing the academy because it’s a money pit and they aren’t seeing any ROI (creating pros). He mentioned the very few kids that do break through only play because injuries. Also noted that the lack of development between 18-22 is a huge problem here.

Nonsense, if you dont develop players yourself you'll need to buy them on the open market competing with other clubs. The cost is the same either way if MLS is looking to field top tier talent. If MLS doesnt want to field top tier talent and you think MLS Next doesnt develop the best players its still cheaper because they have a pool of players to pull from that doesnt cost anything.

Because you don’t agree doesn’t make it untrue. Big market team viewed it as a money pit, that’s a fact. It’s not that they don’t have money to lose, the programs just don’t produce at the level you’re making it seem.


Funny that a few months after talking to the coach, mlsn 2 is created.

So you heard a rumor 2nd hand from another parent and that is somehow true? Give me a break.

The only thing holding MLS back is that its structured like NFL where each club is owned by the league. If this wasnt the case Soccer would be huge in America. Imagine if every club playing in MLS lived and died by winning or losing. Imagine if they had to do all their own marketing. Imagine if there was no such thing as a salary cap.

Numbnuts, take a deep breath and process this information.

This came from a current mls coach, major market, top academy. Mlsn has failed to develop worthwhile pros. This lead to the creation of mlsn2 to pass the bill to parents.


You are right that the designed parity puts a ceiling on the league. But what kills the mls isn’t the nfl structure, it’s the nfls existence and all of the other major sports. Soccer gets the leftovers

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Pretty simple. Bigger pool of potential players to choose from.

I'm sure multiple P2P clubs want to get involved with MLS but they dont want to run an Academy. The easy way to solve this is MLS2. It's the same thing that happens in other countries with multiple different levels of Academy clubs. The only difference here is that its a mix of Academy and P2P at different levels. Also all players are under MLS contract which means they all funnel up to MLS if theres talent.

Congrats! This is the most delusional take in the last 30 pages. You get a special badge just for this.

OK you know all apparently.

Watch when MLS takes over P2P and ECNL gets boxed put of playing professionally.

Wait wait, I thought MlSN was a strict path to pro and now you’re saying they’re going to take over P2P? Ok… will check back in on this in a few years I guess.

I don’t think ECNl cares about pro, they seem very college focused. So getting ‘boxed out’ of pro doesn’t seem like a bad thing for them.

Yes, MLS Next first goal is to provide pro players.

However just like the Euro Acadamies that college teams recruit from. Top MLS Next players that arent quite pro get recruited by college coaches. This puts ECNL and all the P2P leagues as 3rd and 4th choices.

MLSN Academy is pro path. P2P MLSN is a money scam. The level of P2P MLSN is more or less compared with ECNL. Don't try to associate yourself with MLSN Academy. You only play ONE game a year against MLSN academy and you are currently playing down. Nothing to be proud of.

Whats wrong with there being multiple levels? Its not a scam. From what I've seen coaches look all over for talent. If you're good something will happen.

Because P2P MLSN parents always want to associate themselves with MLSN Academy as a whole in MLSN and look down on ECNL. But in reality, they are more or less compared to ECNL. It just like you have a remote relative who happens to be rich, so you pretend you are rich too. Ex, our RL players go to the neighboring P2P MLSN team and player from that P2P MLSN is a bench in our NL team.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Pretty simple. Bigger pool of potential players to choose from.

I'm sure multiple P2P clubs want to get involved with MLS but they dont want to run an Academy. The easy way to solve this is MLS2. It's the same thing that happens in other countries with multiple different levels of Academy clubs. The only difference here is that its a mix of Academy and P2P at different levels. Also all players are under MLS contract which means they all funnel up to MLS if theres talent.

Congrats! This is the most delusional take in the last 30 pages. You get a special badge just for this.

OK you know all apparently.

Watch when MLS takes over P2P and ECNL gets boxed put of playing professionally.

Wait wait, I thought MlSN was a strict path to pro and now you’re saying they’re going to take over P2P? Ok… will check back in on this in a few years I guess.

I don’t think ECNl cares about pro, they seem very college focused. So getting ‘boxed out’ of pro doesn’t seem like a bad thing for them.

You dont have to wait a couple of years. Look at the current makeup of college teams and the players involved. Almost everyone have Euro Acadamy drop outs. Coaches arent going this way because ECNL players help them to win games. They're doing it because P2P players dont compare and they cant win with them.

This is why I’m actually not against grad year. The 20-24 euro is the real competition here. Sending our players to college at 20 evens the playing field

Don’t let the GY hater see this. It will melt their brain to learn we actually need to figure out a system that gives boys a better opportunity to compete against the 22 year old freshman from Europe.
Boys college side is slowly taken over by non American students.

The solution isn't GY unless youre talking about SY grouping by grade without holdbacks. The solution is for college soccer to be a path to playing professionally not the offramp it is now. Maybe now that colleges can pay players things will change. Football is smart, they get all the profits of playing professionally and HSs + Colleges do all their development for them for free.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Pretty simple. Bigger pool of potential players to choose from.

I'm sure multiple P2P clubs want to get involved with MLS but they dont want to run an Academy. The easy way to solve this is MLS2. It's the same thing that happens in other countries with multiple different levels of Academy clubs. The only difference here is that its a mix of Academy and P2P at different levels. Also all players are under MLS contract which means they all funnel up to MLS if theres talent.

Congrats! This is the most delusional take in the last 30 pages. You get a special badge just for this.

OK you know all apparently.

Watch when MLS takes over P2P and ECNL gets boxed put of playing professionally.

Wait wait, I thought MlSN was a strict path to pro and now you’re saying they’re going to take over P2P? Ok… will check back in on this in a few years I guess.

I don’t think ECNl cares about pro, they seem very college focused. So getting ‘boxed out’ of pro doesn’t seem like a bad thing for them.

Yes, MLS Next first goal is to provide pro players.

However just like the Euro Acadamies that college teams recruit from. Top MLS Next players that arent quite pro get recruited by college coaches. This puts ECNL and all the P2P leagues as 3rd and 4th choices.

MLSN Academy is pro path. P2P MLSN is a money scam. The level of P2P MLSN is more or less compared with ECNL. Don't try to associate yourself with MLSN Academy. You only play ONE game a year against MLSN academy and you are currently playing down. Nothing to be proud of.

Whats wrong with there being multiple levels? Its not a scam. From what I've seen coaches look all over for talent. If you're good something will happen.

Because P2P MLSN parents always want to associate themselves with MLSN Academy as a whole in MLSN and look down on ECNL. But in reality, they are more or less compared to ECNL. It just like you have a remote relative who happens to be rich, so you pretend you are rich too. Ex, our RL players go to the neighboring P2P MLSN team and player from that P2P MLSN is a bench in our NL team.

This is why I said earlier that MLS will slowly take over P2P clubs now that MLS2 is available. Clubs want to be associated with MLS but they also want P2P $$$. You're swimming upstream if you dont think it will happen.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Bingo. I know an mls coach (pro team) and he told me they were in talks of closing the academy because it’s a money pit and they aren’t seeing any ROI (creating pros). He mentioned the very few kids that do break through only play because injuries. Also noted that the lack of development between 18-22 is a huge problem here.

Nonsense, if you dont develop players yourself you'll need to buy them on the open market competing with other clubs. The cost is the same either way if MLS is looking to field top tier talent. If MLS doesnt want to field top tier talent and you think MLS Next doesnt develop the best players its still cheaper because they have a pool of players to pull from that doesnt cost anything.

That's the thing, you can get marginal players for MLSN for next to nothing with or without MLSN. The MLSN model doesn't work because MLSN salaries are so low and it works best when you lock in relative poor kids/families who don't have other options and have to sign away potential future salaries, potential future salaries that are too low to matter and to low to clawback to cover MLSN academies expenses.

Acadamies exist. I know you hate them and comment how theyre too expensive whenever you can. Its the cost of doing business if you want to play at the highest levels. Also who are you to decide what amount of money players should get from playing a sport professionally? Go back under your rock and tell everyone how the world should be.

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I view p2p MLSN as ECNL without HS option, so hell no. If my son can make MLSN Academy, then it is a different story. Four of his NL teammates signed MLSN Academy offers last season.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.

Pretty simple. Bigger pool of potential players to choose from.

I'm sure multiple P2P clubs want to get involved with MLS but they dont want to run an Academy. The easy way to solve this is MLS2. It's the same thing that happens in other countries with multiple different levels of Academy clubs. The only difference here is that its a mix of Academy and P2P at different levels. Also all players are under MLS contract which means they all funnel up to MLS if theres talent.

Congrats! This is the most delusional take in the last 30 pages. You get a special badge just for this.

OK you know all apparently.

Watch when MLS takes over P2P and ECNL gets boxed put of playing professionally.

Wait wait, I thought MlSN was a strict path to pro and now you’re saying they’re going to take over P2P? Ok… will check back in on this in a few years I guess.

I don’t think ECNl cares about pro, they seem very college focused. So getting ‘boxed out’ of pro doesn’t seem like a bad thing for them.

Yes, MLS Next first goal is to provide pro players.

However just like the Euro Acadamies that college teams recruit from. Top MLS Next players that arent quite pro get recruited by college coaches. This puts ECNL and all the P2P leagues as 3rd and 4th choices.

MLSN Academy is pro path. P2P MLSN is a money scam. The level of P2P MLSN is more or less compared with ECNL. Don't try to associate yourself with MLSN Academy. You only play ONE game a year against MLSN academy and you are currently playing down. Nothing to be proud of.

Whats wrong with there being multiple levels? Its not a scam. From what I've seen coaches look all over for talent. If you're good something will happen.

Because P2P MLSN parents always want to associate themselves with MLSN Academy as a whole in MLSN and look down on ECNL. But in reality, they are more or less compared to ECNL. It just like you have a remote relative who happens to be rich, so you pretend you are rich too. Ex, our RL players go to the neighboring P2P MLSN team and player from that P2P MLSN is a bench in our NL team.

This is why I said earlier that MLS will slowly take over P2P clubs now that MLS2 is available. Clubs want to be associated with MLS but they also want P2P $$$. You're swimming upstream if you dont think it will happen.

Which is exactly why they are going to switch to SY.