What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

In all likelihood, we never will know their thought process.

CA may need to go to a practice of announcing trail closures in extreme temps. That will not prevent all tragedies, but should reduce them.

Pediatricians, outdoor gear stores and vets may be vectors for increasing awareness of the dangers of heat.

Turning around on hikes from time to time to not develop the habit of "pressing through" and consulting local hiking resources, such as the Mariposa Trails FB group could also help.

Outdoor activities are not recommended when there are extreme heat warnings or air quality warnings, and the interplay between the 2 was a risk to all 4, but esp the young baby.

Humans are not the best at assessing risk. I think they wanted to go hiking, they wanted to spend time together, this was near the new house, and nothing much else factored in. Maybe the backpack was new and they thought it would be cooler for JG and the baby so they could do what LE called an "aggressive hike."

Often in marriages one is more a risk taker and one is cautious. In this case they both were into adventure travel and prior close calls did not change their practices. Some of us had parents like this. It usually works out.

https://www.backpacker.com/survival/a-dozen-ways-to-die/

Advice: "Doubt yourself A recurring theme in wilderness fatalities is overconfidence or simple neglect of basic safety procedures by veteran hikers."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any autopsy findings would be impacted by how long the bodies were on the trail in high heat. HS is often a finding of exclusion, particularly when there are no witnesses, which is why there will not be a finding until all of the tox reports are back.

Finally, a rational statement from someone.

I’m pretty sure this statement was made in the first few pages of this thread. And dozens of times since then. It’s you folks who have jumped over here from WS or wherever who are just now realizing this.

The people on WS are still considering heat stroke. The random other poster is the one who insists it’s not that.

[Anonymous]

Can we have a few pages without discussing other boards, please?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we have a few pages without discussing other boards, please?

sometimes interesting facts are pulled over - why does it bother you? (asked without snark)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we have a few pages without discussing other boards, please?

sometimes interesting facts are pulled over - why does it bother you? (asked without snark)

That is different, obv.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the likelihood that the public will ever be told what happened here?

Barring a tox finding that would lead to a COD, the process of elimination will likely lead to a finding of HS.

The chances of a COD being released is high.

Unless you think it was Bigfoot or aliens? THAT might get covered up.

[Anonymous]

Taking a helpless dog and baby on an 8 mile hike in 80 or 90 let alone 100-plus degree heat ought to be criminal endangerment. These people were imbeciles. And I suspect dopamine chasing losers who hoped to later brag about this risk. Sorry, I have no sympathy for them. It actually makes me sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

What debt load? He was a highly paid engineer.

😂😂😂😂
Yes he was well compensated BUT his publicly documented debt load exceeds the standard debt ratio.
Pssssttt, engineers don’t make millions.
They also have cost of living expenses including, PMI, mortgages, utilities, upkeep, legal fees, & management fees on real holdings.
Here’s an FYI for ya: LE continues to interview locals in Mariposa. All of us know someone in CA, even if not Mariposa. Use your contacts, chances are they know someone in the Mariposa area. You might be enlightened.
Off to research…

I’m looking for HS deaths requiring LE to interview hundreds of peeps. 😱😱
Thus far I’ve found zero.

That is a solid point.
If this were heat stroke, law enforcement wouldn't be interviewing hundreds of friends, family, coworkers and members of the community (both in Mariposa AND San Francisco).

That is a terribly good point, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

What debt load? He was a highly paid engineer.

😂😂😂😂
Yes he was well compensated BUT his publicly documented debt load exceeds the standard debt ratio.
Pssssttt, engineers don’t make millions.
They also have cost of living expenses including, PMI, mortgages, utilities, upkeep, legal fees, & management fees on real holdings.
Here’s an FYI for ya: LE continues to interview locals in Mariposa. All of us know someone in CA, even if not Mariposa. Use your contacts, chances are they know someone in the Mariposa area. You might be enlightened.
Off to research…

I’m looking for HS deaths requiring LE to interview hundreds of peeps. 😱😱
Thus far I’ve found zero.

That is a solid point.
If this were heat stroke, law enforcement wouldn't be interviewing hundreds of friends, family, coworkers and members of the community (both in Mariposa AND San Francisco).

That is a terribly good point, PP.

That is an enormous resource burden for the law enforcement agencies. They would not undertake that lightly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

What debt load? He was a highly paid engineer.

😂😂😂😂
Yes he was well compensated BUT his publicly documented debt load exceeds the standard debt ratio.
Pssssttt, engineers don’t make millions.
They also have cost of living expenses including, PMI, mortgages, utilities, upkeep, legal fees, & management fees on real holdings.
Here’s an FYI for ya: LE continues to interview locals in Mariposa. All of us know someone in CA, even if not Mariposa. Use your contacts, chances are they know someone in the Mariposa area. You might be enlightened.
Off to research…

I’m looking for HS deaths requiring LE to interview hundreds of peeps. 😱😱
Thus far I’ve found zero.

That is a solid point.
If this were heat stroke, law enforcement wouldn't be interviewing hundreds of friends, family, coworkers and members of the community (both in Mariposa AND San Francisco).

That is a terribly good point, PP.

That is an enormous resource burden for the law enforcement agencies. They would not undertake that lightly.

Where did you read they’re interviewing so many people? I’ve heard so few updates and nothing for 3 weeks or more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

What debt load? He was a highly paid engineer.

😂😂😂😂
Yes he was well compensated BUT his publicly documented debt load exceeds the standard debt ratio.
Pssssttt, engineers don’t make millions.
They also have cost of living expenses including, PMI, mortgages, utilities, upkeep, legal fees, & management fees on real holdings.
Here’s an FYI for ya: LE continues to interview locals in Mariposa. All of us know someone in CA, even if not Mariposa. Use your contacts, chances are they know someone in the Mariposa area. You might be enlightened.
Off to research…

I’m looking for HS deaths requiring LE to interview hundreds of peeps. 😱😱
Thus far I’ve found zero.

That is a solid point.
If this were heat stroke, law enforcement wouldn't be interviewing hundreds of friends, family, coworkers and members of the community (both in Mariposa AND San Francisco).

That is a terribly good point, PP.

I haven't seen any evidence of hundreds of interviews. In a town of 1,200 (Mariposa), that would be sizeable percentage of the population. So, it's unlikely this is true and more likely a bold exaggeration.

Second, heatstroke is a diagnosis of exclusion. So all other leads must be followed first.

[Anonymous]

Closures extended through October 29th.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/sierra/alerts-notices/?aid=68833

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

What debt load? He was a highly paid engineer.

😂😂😂😂
Yes he was well compensated BUT his publicly documented debt load exceeds the standard debt ratio.
Pssssttt, engineers don’t make millions.
They also have cost of living expenses including, PMI, mortgages, utilities, upkeep, legal fees, & management fees on real holdings.
Here’s an FYI for ya: LE continues to interview locals in Mariposa. All of us know someone in CA, even if not Mariposa. Use your contacts, chances are they know someone in the Mariposa area. You might be enlightened.
Off to research…

I’m looking for HS deaths requiring LE to interview hundreds of peeps. 😱😱
Thus far I’ve found zero.

That is a solid point.
If this were heat stroke, law enforcement wouldn't be interviewing hundreds of friends, family, coworkers and members of the community (both in Mariposa AND San Francisco).

That is a terribly good point, PP.

This appears to be posts quoted by a troll who sock puppeted, Jeff deleted his/her posts and the thread shrank by pages a few days ago. Mine of salt re: these claims.

[Anonymous]

^ https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1003698.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

What debt load? He was a highly paid engineer.

😂😂😂😂
Yes he was well compensated BUT his publicly documented debt load exceeds the standard debt ratio.
Pssssttt, engineers don’t make millions.
They also have cost of living expenses including, PMI, mortgages, utilities, upkeep, legal fees, & management fees on real holdings.
Here’s an FYI for ya: LE continues to interview locals in Mariposa. All of us know someone in CA, even if not Mariposa. Use your contacts, chances are they know someone in the Mariposa area. You might be enlightened.
Off to research…

I’m looking for HS deaths requiring LE to interview hundreds of peeps. 😱😱
Thus far I’ve found zero.

That is a solid point.
If this were heat stroke, law enforcement wouldn't be interviewing hundreds of friends, family, coworkers and members of the community (both in Mariposa AND San Francisco).

That is a terribly good point, PP.

I haven't seen any evidence of hundreds of interviews. In a town of 1,200 (Mariposa), that would be sizeable percentage of the population. So, it's unlikely this is true and more likely a bold exaggeration.

Second, heatstroke is a diagnosis of exclusion. So all other leads must be followed first.

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