Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

It must be hard being a white man who thinks he knows everything and is repeatedly demonstrated to be wrong.

Not a man and all you have is insults to deflect from being wrong yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

You've been told multiple times that the teens admitted (in Monique's article) they shoved her around on the bike. That's a fact.

You've also been told multiple times that the teens weren't using the bike and they admitted they didn't have the bike checked out when she approached. That's a fact too.

The only fact in dispute is whether the bike was standing unattended (she says) or whether he was leaning over it (he says). But none of that matters. The teens weren't using the bike but they were trying to stop other people from using it.

You're exhausting. Are you the troll the moderator keeps deleting?

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

+100. What this shows is that someone who buys into "all white women weaponize their tears in every situation," based on a video where they may have edited out the actual bike shoving, is going to think she was faking it. Which is pretty racist and sexist of them.

-- progressive woman

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There is such a double standard at work here.

People keep saying "oh the boys behavior wasn't great but she could have just left." Like the fact that they were harassing her is viewed as NBD because, hey, you can always walk away.

But then the same people will say she was totally out of line for trying to rent a bike that was docked because it was "his" bike and she "impaled" herself on it. And at no point do these people say "well the boys could have just walked away from the bike."

Why is their bad behavior written off as avoidable ("just leave") but hers isn't?

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

+100. What this shows is that someone who buys into "all white women weaponize their tears in every situation," based on a video where they may have edited out the actual bike shoving, is going to think she was faking it. Which is pretty racist and sexist of them.

-- progressive woman

NP and unrelated to this incident but if you're progressive you should know that racism requires a power differential. We can't be racist against white women. Prejudiced, sure. Not racist.

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Anonymous wrote:There is such a double standard at work here.

People keep saying "oh the boys behavior wasn't great but she could have just left." Like the fact that they were harassing her is viewed as NBD because, hey, you can always walk away.

But then the same people will say she was totally out of line for trying to rent a bike that was docked because it was "his" bike and she "impaled" herself on it. And at no point do these people say "well the boys could have just walked away from the bike."

Why is their bad behavior written off as avoidable ("just leave") but hers isn't?

Because the boys are on their team, and the PA is on the other team. Simple as.

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Anonymous wrote:There is such a double standard at work here.

People keep saying "oh the boys behavior wasn't great but she could have just left." Like the fact that they were harassing her is viewed as NBD because, hey, you can always walk away.

But then the same people will say she was totally out of line for trying to rent a bike that was docked because it was "his" bike and she "impaled" herself on it. And at no point do these people say "well the boys could have just walked away from the bike."

Why is their bad behavior written off as avoidable ("just leave") but hers isn't?

Oh, sorry, someone does point out they could just walk away and let her have the bike, instead of harassing her -- their friend in the purple sweatshirt who REPEATEDLY says it's not worth it and they should just let it go.

That guy has got be sitting at home just shaking his head at all this. Or maybe he's looking at the boy's Gofundme and think "this fool pulled it off, wow."

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Anonymous wrote:There is such a double standard at work here.

People keep saying "oh the boys behavior wasn't great but she could have just left." Like the fact that they were harassing her is viewed as NBD because, hey, you can always walk away.

But then the same people will say she was totally out of line for trying to rent a bike that was docked because it was "his" bike and she "impaled" herself on it. And at no point do these people say "well the boys could have just walked away from the bike."

Why is their bad behavior written off as avoidable ("just leave") but hers isn't?

Good question. I'm sorry that you're unlikely to get an answer.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

+100. What this shows is that someone who buys into "all white women weaponize their tears in every situation," based on a video where they may have edited out the actual bike shoving, is going to think she was faking it. Which is pretty racist and sexist of them.

-- progressive woman

NP and unrelated to this incident but if you're progressive you should know that racism requires a power differential. We can't be racist against white women. Prejudiced, sure. Not racist.

DP. I agree you can't be racist against white women.

However, power differentials DO matter and that's why from the start a lot of us have been pointing out that the pregnant PA on her own was not in a position of power over the FIVE YOUNG MEN who were pushing her and harassing her. Those boys had more power than she did in that moment. And yet people are incredulous that she would call for help, and saying that the only possible explanation is that she was trying to get those guys harmed.

Like we sometimes need to be able to just see what is happening and describe it for what it is. People are doing backflips to turn this woman into the aggressor when she was outnumbered and we have video of the boys jeering her and pushing her.

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Anonymous wrote:There is such a double standard at work here.

People keep saying "oh the boys behavior wasn't great but she could have just left." Like the fact that they were harassing her is viewed as NBD because, hey, you can always walk away.

But then the same people will say she was totally out of line for trying to rent a bike that was docked because it was "his" bike and she "impaled" herself on it. And at no point do these people say "well the boys could have just walked away from the bike."

Why is their bad behavior written off as avoidable ("just leave") but hers isn't?

Good question. I'm sorry that you're unlikely to get an answer.

Because they are children and she's an adult.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

+100. What this shows is that someone who buys into "all white women weaponize their tears in every situation," based on a video where they may have edited out the actual bike shoving, is going to think she was faking it. Which is pretty racist and sexist of them.

-- progressive woman

NP and unrelated to this incident but if you're progressive you should know that racism requires a power differential. We can't be racist against white women. Prejudiced, sure. Not racist.

DP. I agree you can't be racist against white women.

However, power differentials DO matter and that's why from the start a lot of us have been pointing out that the pregnant PA on her own was not in a position of power over the FIVE YOUNG MEN who were pushing her and harassing her. Those boys had more power than she did in that moment. And yet people are incredulous that she would call for help, and saying that the only possible explanation is that she was trying to get those guys harmed.

Like we sometimes need to be able to just see what is happening and describe it for what it is. People are doing backflips to turn this woman into the aggressor when she was outnumbered and we have video of the boys jeering her and pushing her.

The position of power has to do with being white. IF she had called the police, there was no way she'd have ended up dead. But they might have.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

+100. What this shows is that someone who buys into "all white women weaponize their tears in every situation," based on a video where they may have edited out the actual bike shoving, is going to think she was faking it. Which is pretty racist and sexist of them.

-- progressive woman

NP and unrelated to this incident but if you're progressive you should know that racism requires a power differential. We can't be racist against white women. Prejudiced, sure. Not racist.

I don’t actually believe that, and the law doesn’t either. And I think it’s a terrible and confusing message to give to kids.

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People keep saying "oh the boys behavior wasn't great but she could have just left." Like the fact that they were harassing her is viewed as NBD because, hey, you can always walk away.

But then the same people will say she was totally out of line for trying to rent a bike that was docked because it was "his" bike and she "impaled" herself on it. And at no point do these people say "well the boys could have just walked away from the bike."

Why is their bad behavior written off as avoidable ("just leave") but hers isn't?

Good question. I'm sorry that you're unlikely to get an answer.

Because they are children and she's an adult.

This has got to be the lamest defense of the teens yet. PP, just drop it, you look like an arse.