Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

These are young men who are graduating high school right now. They are old enough to be held accountable for their behavior, just like anyone else. She was surrounded by multiple men blocking her from leaving. What would YOU do if you were in that situation? She did not know if they were harmless or not (on the video they appeared to be but from her viewpoint at that moment she felt threatened). Help me is the appropriate response to it. She should just do what?

You even bother to ask? PP was responding to me asking the exact same question. Her response was "they are just children and she should take the regular bike." Gross.

- a progressive

They aren't children if they graduated high school. You cannot say they are kids for one situation and men for another.

Either way, they should come out and apologize for their actions, she should apologize for hers and be done with it. This has nothing to do with race. The men behaved very poorly and should know better than to gang up on a pregnant woman but if they said they were using it, even though they were in the wrong, you don't just take the bike either.

I see so many referring to them as men. Just a few weeks ago the headlines about the rock throwing incident referred to the people who murdered someone as teens.
(3 Colorado Teens Charged With Murder in Fatal Rock-Throwing Incident) I was shocked to see they were 18. Meanwhile, these teen boys are men.

https://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291405871/consequences-when-african-american-boys-are-seen-as-older

Nobody knew how old they were until the interview came out yesterday. When this video first came out it was unclear if they were minors or not. To me it seemed like immature behavior so I guessed from 17-20 but wouldn’t have been surprised at 22-23. So I called them “boys”
to give them the benefit of the doubt - but then was told thay was racist - and now am told “men” is also racist. 🤷‍♀️

This is the kind of cr*p that rightfully gets labeled woketastic.

Everyone younger than the age of majority counts as a kid, sorry folks.

So my son is a "child" at 17 years and 11 months for the purposes of moral accountability for anything he does? Good to know. Although I won't be telling my son, because I still believe 17-year-olds are morally responsible for their actions.

Yes, your 17-year-old counts as a child. Not in terms of “moral accountability”, but in terms of legal age, which is what we are discussing. And if your imaginary 17-year-old white son had done something wrong, you’d be calling him a child and you know it, so cut the crap.

No we're not discussing legal liability, because, as you know very well, her lawyer has said she's not going to sue the boys. So cut the crap yourself.

I have a white son. And I'd absolutely hold him morally accountable for not giving a bike to a pregnant woman, mocking her, filming her, and physically shoving around a bike with her on it. I sure hope this teen's mom is giving him sh!t too, although I can understand why she'd not want to do it publicly.

I would be furious if this was my son. But if they had that much free time they’d be working.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

She is extremely racists if you watch her videos.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

She is extremely racists if you watch her videos.

Oh Monique is horrific. But it gets her views and clicks, and that translates into sweet, sweet money and selling her "journalism" to NewsOne. She doesn't care about the family at all or she wouldn't have let them incriminate themselves in her "article."

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

She is extremely racists if you watch her videos.

It’s really upsetting that her schtick is allowed and even encouraged. That kind of speech makes me really worried about how to teach my white kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

These are young men who are graduating high school right now. They are old enough to be held accountable for their behavior, just like anyone else. She was surrounded by multiple men blocking her from leaving. What would YOU do if you were in that situation? She did not know if they were harmless or not (on the video they appeared to be but from her viewpoint at that moment she felt threatened). Help me is the appropriate response to it. She should just do what?

You even bother to ask? PP was responding to me asking the exact same question. Her response was "they are just children and she should take the regular bike." Gross.

- a progressive

They aren't children if they graduated high school. You cannot say they are kids for one situation and men for another.

Either way, they should come out and apologize for their actions, she should apologize for hers and be done with it. This has nothing to do with race. The men behaved very poorly and should know better than to gang up on a pregnant woman but if they said they were using it, even though they were in the wrong, you don't just take the bike either.

I see so many referring to them as men. Just a few weeks ago the headlines about the rock throwing incident referred to the people who murdered someone as teens.
(3 Colorado Teens Charged With Murder in Fatal Rock-Throwing Incident) I was shocked to see they were 18. Meanwhile, these teen boys are men.

https://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291405871/consequences-when-african-american-boys-are-seen-as-older

Nobody knew how old they were until the interview came out yesterday. When this video first came out it was unclear if they were minors or not. To me it seemed like immature behavior so I guessed from 17-20 but wouldn’t have been surprised at 22-23. So I called them “boys”
to give them the benefit of the doubt - but then was told thay was racist - and now am told “men” is also racist. 🤷‍♀️

This is the kind of cr*p that rightfully gets labeled woketastic.

Everyone younger than the age of majority counts as a kid, sorry folks.

So my son is a "child" at 17 years and 11 months for the purposes of moral accountability for anything he does? Good to know. Although I won't be telling my son, because I still believe 17-year-olds are morally responsible for their actions.

Yes, your 17-year-old counts as a child. Not in terms of “moral accountability”, but in terms of legal age, which is what we are discussing. And if your imaginary 17-year-old white son had done something wrong, you’d be calling him a child and you know it, so cut the crap.

No we're not discussing legal liability, because, as you know very well, her lawyer has said she's not going to sue the boys. So cut the crap yourself.

I have a white son. And I'd absolutely hold him morally accountable for not giving a bike to a pregnant woman, mocking her, filming her, and physically shoving around a bike with her on it. I sure hope this teen's mom is giving him sh!t too, although I can understand why she'd not want to do it publicly.

Yes, I know…as I said, we’re discussing legal age. Specifically, calling a 17-year-old a boy instead of a man. A minor is a child. You know this.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

She is extremely racists if you watch her videos.

It’s really upsetting that her schtick is allowed and even encouraged. That kind of speech makes me really worried about how to teach my white kid.

It looks like Marino is planning to sue her pants off.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

These are young men who are graduating high school right now. They are old enough to be held accountable for their behavior, just like anyone else. She was surrounded by multiple men blocking her from leaving. What would YOU do if you were in that situation? She did not know if they were harmless or not (on the video they appeared to be but from her viewpoint at that moment she felt threatened). Help me is the appropriate response to it. She should just do what?

You even bother to ask? PP was responding to me asking the exact same question. Her response was "they are just children and she should take the regular bike." Gross.

- a progressive

They aren't children if they graduated high school. You cannot say they are kids for one situation and men for another.

Either way, they should come out and apologize for their actions, she should apologize for hers and be done with it. This has nothing to do with race. The men behaved very poorly and should know better than to gang up on a pregnant woman but if they said they were using it, even though they were in the wrong, you don't just take the bike either.

I see so many referring to them as men. Just a few weeks ago the headlines about the rock throwing incident referred to the people who murdered someone as teens.
(3 Colorado Teens Charged With Murder in Fatal Rock-Throwing Incident) I was shocked to see they were 18. Meanwhile, these teen boys are men.

https://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291405871/consequences-when-african-american-boys-are-seen-as-older

Nobody knew how old they were until the interview came out yesterday. When this video first came out it was unclear if they were minors or not. To me it seemed like immature behavior so I guessed from 17-20 but wouldn’t have been surprised at 22-23. So I called them “boys”
to give them the benefit of the doubt - but then was told thay was racist - and now am told “men” is also racist. 🤷‍♀️

This is the kind of cr*p that rightfully gets labeled woketastic.

Everyone younger than the age of majority counts as a kid, sorry folks.

So my son is a "child" at 17 years and 11 months for the purposes of moral accountability for anything he does? Good to know. Although I won't be telling my son, because I still believe 17-year-olds are morally responsible for their actions.

Yes, your 17-year-old counts as a child. Not in terms of “moral accountability”, but in terms of legal age, which is what we are discussing. And if your imaginary 17-year-old white son had done something wrong, you’d be calling him a child and you know it, so cut the crap.

No we're not discussing legal liability, because, as you know very well, her lawyer has said she's not going to sue the boys. So cut the crap yourself.

I have a white son. And I'd absolutely hold him morally accountable for not giving a bike to a pregnant woman, mocking her, filming her, and physically shoving around a bike with her on it. I sure hope this teen's mom is giving him sh!t too, although I can understand why she'd not want to do it publicly.

Yes, I know…as I said, we’re discussing legal age. Specifically, calling a 17-year-old a boy instead of a man. A minor is a child. You know this.

STOP DEFLECTING, NOBODY CARES ABOUT "LEGAL AGE" BECAUSE SHE'S NOT SUING THE "CHILDREN."

You keep dancing around the issue of moral accountability and whether it was OK for them to mock her, insult her, call her child re***d, shove the bike she was on, film it all, and then post it online. Because you can't defend any of that.

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They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

She is extremely racists if you watch her videos.

It’s really upsetting that her schtick is allowed and even encouraged. That kind of speech makes me really worried about how to teach my white kid.

It looks like Marino is planning to sue her pants off.

I wish someone sensible in the black community would call out this racially toxic language.

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They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Why is the focus on the ways in which white women allegedly uphold white supremacy, and not on the people who ENFORCE white supremacy.

Like one thing that has been bothering me all along with this one is the allegation that this woman "weaponized white tears" by calling for help. The implication is that if someone had stopped to help her, and especially if the police had stopped to help her, there's a chance that the boys could have been hurt or even killed.

But if her calls for her were genuine (like she really thought she needed help) and the cops show up and hurt these kids, is she to blame? Should someone who genuinely wants or needs help responsible for making sure that whoever helps them is not a racist who might harm someone due to the color of their skin?

People keep using the specter of "what if the cops showed up and beat these kids or shot them" but my response is "OMG no one wants the cops to harm these children." Like this PA doesn't want that and there is nothing about her behavior to indicate she does. It would likely just make her feel guilty. BUT, she did want help -- these guys were camping on the bikes, they redocked her bike with her on it, they harassed and bullied her off the bikes. She wanted help in dealing with them. What is wrong with that? Why does the fact that other people might use her call for help to commit racist violence mean that she is racist herself in asking, not for someone to come harm these kids, but for help in dealing with them. They were being d!cks. She wanted help with that. Why is that "upholding white supremacy"?

The truth is that everyone suffers when people in power (and this woman was not in a position of power) use their power to oppress others, including POC and women. Why are white women being held responsible for the fact that white men sometimes use the victimization of white women as an excuse to harm black men? How do white women benefit from that dynamic?

I want to be able to ask for help when I need it, I also don't want to get black people killed or hurt. It creates a real quandary when, as in this case, you have a group of black kids who are breaking rules and harassing someone. You are asking people to suppress the normal response to ask for help when you need it, plus you are blaming someone who needs help for the potentially racists acts of whoever shows up to help her. Does that makes sense?

Why are we shifting blame that should lie with racist cops or vigilantes onto white women who do not commit this violence? Why don't the people actually committing acts of harm have agency here?

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

These are young men who are graduating high school right now. They are old enough to be held accountable for their behavior, just like anyone else. She was surrounded by multiple men blocking her from leaving. What would YOU do if you were in that situation? She did not know if they were harmless or not (on the video they appeared to be but from her viewpoint at that moment she felt threatened). Help me is the appropriate response to it. She should just do what?

You even bother to ask? PP was responding to me asking the exact same question. Her response was "they are just children and she should take the regular bike." Gross.

- a progressive

They aren't children if they graduated high school. You cannot say they are kids for one situation and men for another.

Either way, they should come out and apologize for their actions, she should apologize for hers and be done with it. This has nothing to do with race. The men behaved very poorly and should know better than to gang up on a pregnant woman but if they said they were using it, even though they were in the wrong, you don't just take the bike either.

I see so many referring to them as men. Just a few weeks ago the headlines about the rock throwing incident referred to the people who murdered someone as teens.
(3 Colorado Teens Charged With Murder in Fatal Rock-Throwing Incident) I was shocked to see they were 18. Meanwhile, these teen boys are men.

https://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291405871/consequences-when-african-american-boys-are-seen-as-older

Nobody knew how old they were until the interview came out yesterday. When this video first came out it was unclear if they were minors or not. To me it seemed like immature behavior so I guessed from 17-20 but wouldn’t have been surprised at 22-23. So I called them “boys”
to give them the benefit of the doubt - but then was told thay was racist - and now am told “men” is also racist. 🤷‍♀️

This is the kind of cr*p that rightfully gets labeled woketastic.

Everyone younger than the age of majority counts as a kid, sorry folks.

So my son is a "child" at 17 years and 11 months for the purposes of moral accountability for anything he does? Good to know. Although I won't be telling my son, because I still believe 17-year-olds are morally responsible for their actions.

Yes, your 17-year-old counts as a child. Not in terms of “moral accountability”, but in terms of legal age, which is what we are discussing. And if your imaginary 17-year-old white son had done something wrong, you’d be calling him a child and you know it, so cut the crap.

No we're not discussing legal liability, because, as you know very well, her lawyer has said she's not going to sue the boys. So cut the crap yourself.

I have a white son. And I'd absolutely hold him morally accountable for not giving a bike to a pregnant woman, mocking her, filming her, and physically shoving around a bike with her on it. I sure hope this teen's mom is giving him sh!t too, although I can understand why she'd not want to do it publicly.

Yes, I know…as I said, we’re discussing legal age. Specifically, calling a 17-year-old a boy instead of a man. A minor is a child. You know this.

STOP DEFLECTING, NOBODY CARES ABOUT "LEGAL AGE" BECAUSE SHE'S NOT SUING THE "CHILDREN."

You keep dancing around the issue of moral accountability and whether it was OK for them to mock her, insult her, call her child re***d, shove the bike she was on, film it all, and then post it online. Because you can't defend any of that.

Again. We’re not talking about suing people, we’re talking about whether 17 year olds are kids, or men. Earlier PP said they were attacked for calling the boys “boys”, which is dumb, because they are male minors…they are boys.

I understand that you essentially have made it your full-time job to post in this thread, and that this is very emotional for you. But it is not racist or incorrect to call these boys “boys”.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

These are young men who are graduating high school right now. They are old enough to be held accountable for their behavior, just like anyone else. She was surrounded by multiple men blocking her from leaving. What would YOU do if you were in that situation? She did not know if they were harmless or not (on the video they appeared to be but from her viewpoint at that moment she felt threatened). Help me is the appropriate response to it. She should just do what?

You even bother to ask? PP was responding to me asking the exact same question. Her response was "they are just children and she should take the regular bike." Gross.

- a progressive

They aren't children if they graduated high school. You cannot say they are kids for one situation and men for another.

Either way, they should come out and apologize for their actions, she should apologize for hers and be done with it. This has nothing to do with race. The men behaved very poorly and should know better than to gang up on a pregnant woman but if they said they were using it, even though they were in the wrong, you don't just take the bike either.

I see so many referring to them as men. Just a few weeks ago the headlines about the rock throwing incident referred to the people who murdered someone as teens.
(3 Colorado Teens Charged With Murder in Fatal Rock-Throwing Incident) I was shocked to see they were 18. Meanwhile, these teen boys are men.

https://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291405871/consequences-when-african-american-boys-are-seen-as-older

Nobody knew how old they were until the interview came out yesterday. When this video first came out it was unclear if they were minors or not. To me it seemed like immature behavior so I guessed from 17-20 but wouldn’t have been surprised at 22-23. So I called them “boys”
to give them the benefit of the doubt - but then was told thay was racist - and now am told “men” is also racist. 🤷‍♀️

This is the kind of cr*p that rightfully gets labeled woketastic.

Everyone younger than the age of majority counts as a kid, sorry folks.

So my son is a "child" at 17 years and 11 months for the purposes of moral accountability for anything he does? Good to know. Although I won't be telling my son, because I still believe 17-year-olds are morally responsible for their actions.

Yes, your 17-year-old counts as a child. Not in terms of “moral accountability”, but in terms of legal age, which is what we are discussing. And if your imaginary 17-year-old white son had done something wrong, you’d be calling him a child and you know it, so cut the crap.

No we're not discussing legal liability, because, as you know very well, her lawyer has said she's not going to sue the boys. So cut the crap yourself.

I have a white son. And I'd absolutely hold him morally accountable for not giving a bike to a pregnant woman, mocking her, filming her, and physically shoving around a bike with her on it. I sure hope this teen's mom is giving him sh!t too, although I can understand why she'd not want to do it publicly.

Yes, I know…as I said, we’re discussing legal age. Specifically, calling a 17-year-old a boy instead of a man. A minor is a child. You know this.

STOP DEFLECTING, NOBODY CARES ABOUT "LEGAL AGE" BECAUSE SHE'S NOT SUING THE "CHILDREN."

You keep dancing around the issue of moral accountability and whether it was OK for them to mock her, insult her, call her child re***d, shove the bike she was on, film it all, and then post it online. Because you can't defend any of that.

Again. We’re not talking about suing people, we’re talking about whether 17 year olds are kids, or men. Earlier PP said they were attacked for calling the boys “boys”, which is dumb, because they are male minors…they are boys.

I understand that you essentially have made it your full-time job to post in this thread, and that this is very emotional for you. But it is not racist or incorrect to call these boys “boys”.

Deflection, incoming. *Please, please don't make me talk about the 'children's' actual behavior! So I'm going to insult another poster instead because ad hominems, baby!*

People (not me) WERE attacked for calling these teens "boys." Somebody upthread did a WTF and called it a dog whistle. Another pp said this is why the language wars are criticized as woketastic. You can't have it both ways. So go home now or, shocker, address the question you were asked about whether the boys are morally if not legally accountable.

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They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

It must be hard being a white man who thinks he knows everything and is repeatedly demonstrated to be wrong.