ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I am really curious when clubs start to announce stuff. I am guessing that most will do it in early December. For clubs that run futsal, they probably want to get that organized and set first and then transition to next year is my guess.

You need to be prepared for many clubs (including some large prestigious ones) to do absolutely nothing until right before tryout season. These are mainly not well run orgs whose attention is almost always reserved for the current day/game.

Absolutely, the problem with most soccer clubs is they are run by soccer coaches, who are terrible at business basics like planning and communications.

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Anonymous wrote:I am really curious when clubs start to announce stuff. I am guessing that most will do it in early December. For clubs that run futsal, they probably want to get that organized and set first and then transition to next year is my guess.

You need to be prepared for many clubs (including some large prestigious ones) to do absolutely nothing until right before tryout season. These are mainly not well run orgs whose attention is almost always reserved for the current day/game.

Absolutely, the problem with most soccer clubs is they are run by soccer coaches, who are terrible at business basics like planning and communications.

Also, a lot of them rely upon their winning reputations where the best players approach them. Here's where the busy-body parents come in. They sometimes do all the recruiting.

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Anonymous wrote:We are all waffling around waiting for mlsn and actual roster changes - there's not much news

In the meantime, there's just a lot of huffing and puffing about people who think they know every detail of how the transition will go.

My favorite take is that their will be no changes, nobody will want to switch teams and teams won't want better players, especially the older kids where my kid is and where I am really worried.

It is literally just like the last time we did this switch. Everyone acted like nothing would change and then suddenly, after tryout season, things had completely flipped with huge changes in teams. It just human nature.

This time players will not be forced to move teams as they can play up if they choose. The amount of player movement will definitely depend on each region and the number of ECNL, high level GA or RL teams in an area.

Also most ECNL teams do not have a high number of Aug-Dec players (typically 1-3) but most RL/GA teams are they same and not filled with a high number of Q3/4 either.

I do not think it will as much as a change next year as will be over the next 2-5 years of seeing more Aug-Dec players on teams.

Exactly! We will not see huge changes next year.

Can only speak for Southern California but there will definitely be at least 50% turn over on most ECNL/GA.

The big ECNL clubs have very solid RL teams with quality Q3/4 players. All these players will be able to make the ECNL team below or at the very least will make other local ECNL clubs which will start forcing players out. Lots of talent on the GA rosters as well.

Also no current uncommitted U17 players will chose to go U19 next year they will want to stay an additional year in U17 as it’s the most recruited age group.

I’m not in socal but recently watched a national championship winning ECNL boys side barely eke out a tie vs their RL side a year older. If yall don’t see the writing on the wall I’m not sure what to tell you.

There is a massive difference in one single year at any age below 18.

My boy is a late December 2010 ECRL player. We have watched a couple of his 2011 friend’s (same grade) ECRL matches. The differences in technical quality (smoothness of the technical gestures), size, and speed are very apparent. There is also a big difference in the speed of decision making and the overall speed of the game.

Currently, my boy is the top player on his team technically and in terms of speed of decision making. He is top 3-4 in terms of speed, but the second smallest on the team and likely one of the physically weakest players. Overall, I’d say he is one of the top 3-4 players on his current team.

In every ECRL match one year below I’ve seen, he is head and shoulders above just about every player on the pitch. Better technically, faster, stronger, quicker decision making, and bigger than most players.

Most of the Q4 players that are still playing at a high level when they’re 13 or above have been able to do so despite having notable disadvantages physically, so they’ve stayed up because they’ve compensated in other ways, such as technical skills, tactical intelligence, and speed of decision making.

Next season, these technical kids with tactical intelligence and high speed of decision making will now also be bigger and stronger. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what’s going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:We are all waffling around waiting for mlsn and actual roster changes - there's not much news

In the meantime, there's just a lot of huffing and puffing about people who think they know every detail of how the transition will go.

My favorite take is that their will be no changes, nobody will want to switch teams and teams won't want better players, especially the older kids where my kid is and where I am really worried.

It is literally just like the last time we did this switch. Everyone acted like nothing would change and then suddenly, after tryout season, things had completely flipped with huge changes in teams. It just human nature.

This time players will not be forced to move teams as they can play up if they choose. The amount of player movement will definitely depend on each region and the number of ECNL, high level GA or RL teams in an area.

Also most ECNL teams do not have a high number of Aug-Dec players (typically 1-3) but most RL/GA teams are they same and not filled with a high number of Q3/4 either.

I do not think it will as much as a change next year as will be over the next 2-5 years of seeing more Aug-Dec players on teams.

Exactly! We will not see huge changes next year.

Can only speak for Southern California but there will definitely be at least 50% turn over on most ECNL/GA.

The big ECNL clubs have very solid RL teams with quality Q3/4 players. All these players will be able to make the ECNL team below or at the very least will make other local ECNL clubs which will start forcing players out. Lots of talent on the GA rosters as well.

Also no current uncommitted U17 players will chose to go U19 next year they will want to stay an additional year in U17 as it’s the most recruited age group.

I’m not in socal but recently watched a national championship winning ECNL boys side barely eke out a tie vs their RL side a year older. If yall don’t see the writing on the wall I’m not sure what to tell you.

There is a massive difference in one single year at any age below 18.

My boy is a late December 2010 ECRL player. We have watched a couple of his 2011 friend’s (same grade) ECRL matches. The differences in technical quality (smoothness of the technical gestures), size, and speed are very apparent. There is also a big difference in the speed of decision making and the overall speed of the game.

Currently, my boy is the top player on his team technically and in terms of speed of decision making. He is top 3-4 in terms of speed, but the second smallest on the team and likely one of the physically weakest players. Overall, I’d say he is one of the top 3-4 players on his current team.

In every ECRL match one year below I’ve seen, he is head and shoulders above just about every player on the pitch. Better technically, faster, stronger, quicker decision making, and bigger than most players.

Most of the Q4 players that are still playing at a high level when they’re 13 or above have been able to do so despite having notable disadvantages physically, so they’ve stayed up because they’ve compensated in other ways, such as technical skills, tactical intelligence, and speed of decision making.

Next season, these technical kids with tactical intelligence and high speed of decision making will now also be bigger and stronger. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what’s going to happen.

Also need to club shop a bit for sure. I am guessing there will be a lot more of that this spring than we have seen in a long while.

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ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

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My u13 son went to his school friends u12 game this weekend and was shocked at the difference. The game was 1st divsion game for pre a MLSNAD team vs Pre ECNL team. My son got the Veo link and sent it to me and I agree. There is a drastic difference in kids at these ages...WO.

We are going to try seveal tryouts this spring and will do some practices with other programs to see where the best fit is. We just cant get over the technical difference in the level of play one year makes its completely shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

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It obviously does for AD teams because they are not playing during high school seaosn and players are going to play school ball.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Ugh… here we go. It’s Mr. Ugh again holding on tight that MLSN is soooooooo special and that somehow changing the age cutoff to anything other than calendar year somehow void the purpose of MLS. He offers no tangible arguments and is clearly pitching for his July kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

Seems less than 50/50 MLSN goes SY tbh. But they probably won’t announce for some time, possibly even January/february.

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It seems hard to imagine that MLSN2 doesn’t go SY given that a key aspect of that program involves playing in high school. Then you have the pro academies already playing up this season. And GA going SY. All of these seem like good signs that MLNS1 will go SY at least for P2P. But we shall see.

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My P2P kids love school ball. We will go to ECNL immediatly if they dont change.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Maybe that was the case initially. But with the spread of the p2p clubs and now MLSN2, we can stop pretending this is the case. They are a youth soccer league just like any other. You cannot look at MLSN2 and then say what you said with a straight face.

I think is most regions of the country MLSN is the best option for boys but I’m not about to pretend it is anything other than what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL clubs will provide a nice option for Aug-Dec boys that are MLSN1 non-starters or MLSN2 starters looking to move up in playing time and competition.

That’s assuming MLSN doesn’t also go SY. I know people used to think their silence on the topic meant they weren’t changing, but now, with GA (their partners on the girls side) switching it is pretty obvious they are going to switch things up. Whether that is full SY across the board or just at the P2P clubs, it is coming.

You dont understand that MLS Next wasnt created to be a youth league. It was created to provide MLS pro clubs with cheap local talent. In the pro world grade in school or aligning to a school year has no meaning.

Care to explain why they started MLSN2 and put teams in NAL? And why they bother with MLSN non-Academies P2P at all? Because none of them have anything to do with the pros other than trying to make money off of youth soccer, like everyone else. And we can rule out identifying talent as a reason because players can be picked for MLSN academies from any league.