Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

We don’t know her mindset at the time - I’m honestly wondering if she was thinking she was about to be the victim of a theft or rental scam. If someone came out of nowhere at me and started yelling about that’s my bike I would think they were trying to steal it off me and ride it when it was on my account and leave me on the hook for the damages.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

We just don't know. She may have felt she was in danger--she says the bike was unattended before 4-5 guys came up and forcibly redocked her. I would have felt threatened. It's a he said/she said situation though.

Your "handle it gracefully" apparently entails quietly going away and pedaling home on a regular bike. If it involves a white woman, that is. I disagree.

At the end of the day, though, THEY filmed it and THEY posted it online with their racialized comments in the background. This could have remained a small skirmish, no harm no foul. But THEY made sure that didn't happen.

And they claim she asked them if she could have it, they said no, and she shoved past them to scan the code. So she's lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

We don’t know her mindset at the time - I’m honestly wondering if she was thinking she was about to be the victim of a theft or rental scam. If someone came out of nowhere at me and started yelling about that’s my bike I would think they were trying to steal it off me and ride it when it was on my account and leave me on the hook for the damages.

Why do white women get the benefit of the doubt and black kids don't?

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

Through her lawyer she said the bike was unattended when she got on and scanned her QR code. Then 4-5 guys came up and forcibly redocked the bike with her still sitting on it. So yeah, you chose the word "kidnapping" for the hyperbole value, but this is still physical aggression that might justify calling for help.

The stories differ on this point. Maybe CCTV cameras will let us know.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

She had to get home. Why didn't these young men leave? They were clearly abusing the bike share system. I hope their memberships have been terminated.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

We don’t know her mindset at the time - I’m honestly wondering if she was thinking she was about to be the victim of a theft or rental scam. If someone came out of nowhere at me and started yelling about that’s my bike I would think they were trying to steal it off me and ride it when it was on my account and leave me on the hook for the damages.

Why do white women get the benefit of the doubt and black kids don't?

Huh? She was the first to be doxxed and her reputation ruined. The black kids (can I use that? you did) were the ones who filmed it and posted it online, and Monique, Crum and others were the ones who made it go viral with highly racialized language. Thanks to Monique and the others, the hospital put the PA on administrative leave and she had to leave her house because of death threats.

It was only when she released her receipt, and then the black kids released their receipts that confirmed her timeline and also opened a window into their hoarding behavior, that people started criticizing them.

And the black kids still have incurred just a tiny share of the repetitional damage she's still dealing with.

Your bias is showing.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

We just don't know. She may have felt she was in danger--she says the bike was unattended before 4-5 guys came up and forcibly redocked her. I would have felt threatened. It's a he said/she said situation though.

Your "handle it gracefully" apparently entails quietly going away and pedaling home on a regular bike. If it involves a white woman, that is. I disagree.

At the end of the day, though, THEY filmed it and THEY posted it online with their racialized comments in the background. This could have remained a small skirmish, no harm no foul. But THEY made sure that didn't happen.

And they claim she asked them if she could have it, they said no, and she shoved past them to scan the code. So she's lying.

You have no idea who is lying. Neither do I. Your choice to believe the kids and not her is very revealing, though.

We do know some other basic facts that don't look good for the kids, though, thanks to them self-incriminating.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

She does leave! This whole altercation lasts less than 2 minutes and then she gets on another bike (not an e-bike) and pedals her pregnant a$$ home like a grown up.

I do think she thought they might hurt her. Have you really watched the video? There are 4-5 guys and the are all around her, one guy is behind her on a bike, the kid who was claiming the bike is pushing his body into her and reaching across her body the entire time. And to me the most aggressive behavior is actually coming from the videographer. He keeps moving in closer with the camera and he's taunting her the whole time. Listen to the stuff he says! First he's like "that's fake crying, you're faking" and then he says "stop crying, stop crying," then the second she stops crying he says "why'd you stop crying" and taunts her some more. The one kid makes the comment about her baby coming "out ret***ed" -- they are incredibly aggressive.

People keep saying that the boys were "more mature" because they were calm and laughing the whole time, while she is somehow immature for crying or calling for help. Use your eyes! The boys are laughing and calm because they are in control of this situation the whole time. There are more of them, they keep asserting "it's his bike" and telling her she can't have it, they know if they just bully hard enough, she'll give up. And she does!

Their behavior indicates this is maybe not the first time they've bullied someone out of taking a docked bike because they wanted it, especially now that we've learned they do this all the time and it's common for them to dock the bikes and then camp on them until they can rent them out again without incurring the extra charge. They knew exactly what they were doing and yeah, I think it freaked her out.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

She started yelling “Help me” at the point she was surrounded by 5 big teens and one of them had his hands on the bike she was sitting on and had just *forced her physically to return the bike.* I’m not going to second guess her reaction.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

She does leave! This whole altercation lasts less than 2 minutes and then she gets on another bike (not an e-bike) and pedals her pregnant a$$ home like a grown up.

I do think she thought they might hurt her. Have you really watched the video? There are 4-5 guys and the are all around her, one guy is behind her on a bike, the kid who was claiming the bike is pushing his body into her and reaching across her body the entire time. And to me the most aggressive behavior is actually coming from the videographer. He keeps moving in closer with the camera and he's taunting her the whole time. Listen to the stuff he says! First he's like "that's fake crying, you're faking" and then he says "stop crying, stop crying," then the second she stops crying he says "why'd you stop crying" and taunts her some more. The one kid makes the comment about her baby coming "out ret***ed" -- they are incredibly aggressive.

People keep saying that the boys were "more mature" because they were calm and laughing the whole time, while she is somehow immature for crying or calling for help. Use your eyes! The boys are laughing and calm because they are in control of this situation the whole time. There are more of them, they keep asserting "it's his bike" and telling her she can't have it, they know if they just bully hard enough, she'll give up. And she does!

Their behavior indicates this is maybe not the first time they've bullied someone out of taking a docked bike because they wanted it, especially now that we've learned they do this all the time and it's common for them to dock the bikes and then camp on them until they can rent them out again without incurring the extra charge. They knew exactly what they were doing and yeah, I think it freaked her out.

This would potentially be discoverable in her defamation litigation. Delicious.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

We just don't know. She may have felt she was in danger--she says the bike was unattended before 4-5 guys came up and forcibly redocked her. I would have felt threatened. It's a he said/she said situation though.

Your "handle it gracefully" apparently entails quietly going away and pedaling home on a regular bike. If it involves a white woman, that is. I disagree.

At the end of the day, though, THEY filmed it and THEY posted it online with their racialized comments in the background. This could have remained a small skirmish, no harm no foul. But THEY made sure that didn't happen.

And they claim she asked them if she could have it, they said no, and she shoved past them to scan the code. So she's lying.

If you believe teens over an adult in pretty much any situation, you are an incredible mark and I feel sorry for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

We don’t know her mindset at the time - I’m honestly wondering if she was thinking she was about to be the victim of a theft or rental scam. If someone came out of nowhere at me and started yelling about that’s my bike I would think they were trying to steal it off me and ride it when it was on my account and leave me on the hook for the damages.

Why do white women get the benefit of the doubt and black kids don't?

take a look at FBI crime stats

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

We don’t know her mindset at the time - I’m honestly wondering if she was thinking she was about to be the victim of a theft or rental scam. If someone came out of nowhere at me and started yelling about that’s my bike I would think they were trying to steal it off me and ride it when it was on my account and leave me on the hook for the damages.

Why do white women get the benefit of the doubt and black kids don't?

Please. THE KIDS are responsible for the online hoopla, and they clearly did it because they were operating under the assumption they could call a white woman Karen and nobody would ever, ever challenge it. THEY filmed it and posted it online. Monique, Crum and others were the ones who made it go viral with highly racialized language, again clearly assuming they could destroy a white woman's life with no challenge.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

She had to get home. Why didn't these young men leave? They were clearly abusing the bike share system. I hope their memberships have been terminated.

I wonder if CitiBike is having conversations about this whole thing. The truth is the boys are using the system in a way that is bad for CitiBike -- bike hoarding is bad for the system and discourages people from relying on bikeshare because it makes it less reliable. Plus the idea that people are camping on docked bikes and then bullying people out of renting them -- that's literally just money out of CitiBike's pocket, money that could go into stuff like rebalancing bikes and buying more e-bikes, which no doubt they want to do.

Basically, no way CitiBike can come out and endorse what the boys were doing -- it runs counter to their whole model and I'm certain CitiBike views their behavior as a problem.

But if they come out and condemn the boys or even just say, more neutrally, that users are not supposed to hoard bikes and that if a bike is docked, it is available for use to whoever is ready to rent it next, they will be called racist and boycotted.

It's a no-win for them.