Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still waiting to hear why they need a legal fund.

They’re just trying to make a quick buck. Which, fine. Can’t stop people from donating whatever “cause” they feel compelled to support. But it really is just a naked cash grab when they saw the PA getting $200k.

Monique is the one really making bank by exploiting them and continuing to shriek about tears. She must have known her article just made them look worse. Or maybe she is that dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

She didn’t call police or security AT ALL which is why the “white tears ~literally kill people!!!!!11~” narrative is so disingenuous.

He didn’t have the bike rented under his account. He had it docked to wait out the cooldown period for another free rental and it seems probably to take a longer break where he walked away to do whatever else. How long was he expecting others to wait? 5 minutes, 10? If you leave your parking space in the city someone else can use it right away. Just entitlement behavior all around.

That bike wound up being at the Bellevue docking station for nearly an hour, during rush hour on a Friday, before the boy finally rode it home.

I posted earlier in the thread about why CitiBike and other bikeshares have time limits like that 45 minute limit (after which you can keep the bike but will pay a per-minute charge). The WHOLE POINT of these limits is to prevent bike hoarding. Without them, people would simply park bikes in their homes and places of work until they were ready to leave, or hide them or even lock them up with their own locks, in order to keep them available for their personal use. Because wouldn't it be convenient if the bike you took to go out to dinner was just sitting there waiting for you when you were done? Especially if it was an e-bike. So CitiBike knows that people want to hoard the bikes and that this will mess up the system and deprive them of revenue. So they create rules to prevent it, like charging per-minute after the first 45 minutes.

This kid docked the bike to reset it and waited nearly an hour, during peak demand, before using that bike to go home. That's almost a full hour where that bike could have been used by 2 or 3 other people to get home from work, or get to an ending shift, or get them cross-town for a show or whatever.

And instead it sat in a dock at Bellevue Hospital while a 17 year old guarded it and prevented others from using it, so that he could guarantee he'd be able to take it home.

If you think the PA was the only person who wanted that e-bike during that period, you are wrong. I guarantee you multiple people came to that station looking for that bike (because e-bikes are hard to find and they show up in the app when they are available) only to be told "no it's my bike" by that kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

She didn’t call police or security AT ALL which is why the “white tears ~literally kill people!!!!!11~” narrative is so disingenuous.

He didn’t have the bike rented under his account. He had it docked to wait out the cooldown period for another free rental and it seems probably to take a longer break where he walked away to do whatever else. How long was he expecting others to wait? 5 minutes, 10? If you leave your parking space in the city someone else can use it right away. Just entitlement behavior all around.

That bike wound up being at the Bellevue docking station for nearly an hour, during rush hour on a Friday, before the boy finally rode it home.

I posted earlier in the thread about why CitiBike and other bikeshares have time limits like that 45 minute limit (after which you can keep the bike but will pay a per-minute charge). The WHOLE POINT of these limits is to prevent bike hoarding. Without them, people would simply park bikes in their homes and places of work until they were ready to leave, or hide them or even lock them up with their own locks, in order to keep them available for their personal use. Because wouldn't it be convenient if the bike you took to go out to dinner was just sitting there waiting for you when you were done? Especially if it was an e-bike. So CitiBike knows that people want to hoard the bikes and that this will mess up the system and deprive them of revenue. So they create rules to prevent it, like charging per-minute after the first 45 minutes.

This kid docked the bike to reset it and waited nearly an hour, during peak demand, before using that bike to go home. That's almost a full hour where that bike could have been used by 2 or 3 other people to get home from work, or get to an ending shift, or get them cross-town for a show or whatever.

And instead it sat in a dock at Bellevue Hospital while a 17 year old guarded it and prevented others from using it, so that he could guarantee he'd be able to take it home.

If you think the PA was the only person who wanted that e-bike during that period, you are wrong. I guarantee you multiple people came to that station looking for that bike (because e-bikes are hard to find and they show up in the app when they are available) only to be told "no it's my bike" by that kid.

Yep. Monique's piece also mentions he's a member of CitiBike's Bike Angels program, as if that's a good thing. CitiBike gives you points for moving a bike from a crowded dock to a dock with few points. The whole point of the Bike Angels program is to move bikes around so other people can use them. Not so you can deny the bike to other people for 50 minutes until you're finally ready to get back on it.

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What do you want to bet that CitiBike changes its policies to prevent exactly what these boys were doing, btw?

Like this kid is basically advertising, with Monique Judge's assistance, that

(1) they abuse the 45 minute system by docking the bikes temporarily, keeping others from taking them, and then taking them out again;

(2) they do this using a variety of free and reduce ride coupons they get FROM CitiBike; and

(3) they use membership in CitiBike Angels not to help rebalance the bike distribution, as intended, but to earn additional free rides that enable them to hoard bikes.

If the kids don't have the free and reduced price rides, it would be harder for them to run this scam, because they'd have to pay the $3.50 each time the redocked the bike. But with a free ride, it's a no-brainer -- they don't want to pay the per-minute fee, and with a bike coupon they don't have to pay the $3.50.

CitiBike is essentially paying these kids to track down e-bikes, hoard them, dock them periodically, and prevent others from using them. My sense is that this is not in line with CitiBike's actual goals with the program, and that very soon it will not be possible to do what those guys were doing.

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I wonder if the PA was aware of these scams (bike hoarding, resetting after 45 minutes to get free rides, and even the Bike Angels thing) and after a long day at work she just wasn't having it. Of course we'll never know.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

She didn’t call police or security AT ALL which is why the “white tears ~literally kill people!!!!!11~” narrative is so disingenuous.

He didn’t have the bike rented under his account. He had it docked to wait out the cooldown period for another free rental and it seems probably to take a longer break where he walked away to do whatever else. How long was he expecting others to wait? 5 minutes, 10? If you leave your parking space in the city someone else can use it right away. Just entitlement behavior all around.

That bike wound up being at the Bellevue docking station for nearly an hour, during rush hour on a Friday, before the boy finally rode it home.

I posted earlier in the thread about why CitiBike and other bikeshares have time limits like that 45 minute limit (after which you can keep the bike but will pay a per-minute charge). The WHOLE POINT of these limits is to prevent bike hoarding. Without them, people would simply park bikes in their homes and places of work until they were ready to leave, or hide them or even lock them up with their own locks, in order to keep them available for their personal use. Because wouldn't it be convenient if the bike you took to go out to dinner was just sitting there waiting for you when you were done? Especially if it was an e-bike. So CitiBike knows that people want to hoard the bikes and that this will mess up the system and deprive them of revenue. So they create rules to prevent it, like charging per-minute after the first 45 minutes.

This kid docked the bike to reset it and waited nearly an hour, during peak demand, before using that bike to go home. That's almost a full hour where that bike could have been used by 2 or 3 other people to get home from work, or get to an ending shift, or get them cross-town for a show or whatever.

And instead it sat in a dock at Bellevue Hospital while a 17 year old guarded it and prevented others from using it, so that he could guarantee he'd be able to take it home.

If you think the PA was the only person who wanted that e-bike during that period, you are wrong. I guarantee you multiple people came to that station looking for that bike (because e-bikes are hard to find and they show up in the app when they are available) only to be told "no it's my bike" by that kid.

Yep. Monique's piece also mentions he's a member of CitiBike's Bike Angels program, as if that's a good thing. CitiBike gives you points for moving a bike from a crowded dock to a dock with few points. The whole point of the Bike Angels program is to move bikes around so other people can use them. Not so you can deny the bike to other people for 50 minutes until you're finally ready to get back on it.

I don't get the impression she actually looked into what the statements others made were. The sister made it sound like that program was to get donations for those in need and not to reallocate bikes to other locations.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

These are young men who are graduating high school right now. They are old enough to be held accountable for their behavior, just like anyone else. She was surrounded by multiple men blocking her from leaving. What would YOU do if you were in that situation? She did not know if they were harmless or not (on the video they appeared to be but from her viewpoint at that moment she felt threatened). Help me is the appropriate response to it. She should just do what?

You even bother to ask? PP was responding to me asking the exact same question. Her response was "they are just children and she should take the regular bike." Gross.

- a progressive

They aren't children if they graduated high school. You cannot say they are kids for one situation and men for another.

Either way, they should come out and apologize for their actions, she should apologize for hers and be done with it. This has nothing to do with race. The men behaved very poorly and should know better than to gang up on a pregnant woman but if they said they were using it, even though they were in the wrong, you don't just take the bike either.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

She didn’t call police or security AT ALL which is why the “white tears ~literally kill people!!!!!11~” narrative is so disingenuous.

He didn’t have the bike rented under his account. He had it docked to wait out the cooldown period for another free rental and it seems probably to take a longer break where he walked away to do whatever else. How long was he expecting others to wait? 5 minutes, 10? If you leave your parking space in the city someone else can use it right away. Just entitlement behavior all around.

That bike wound up being at the Bellevue docking station for nearly an hour, during rush hour on a Friday, before the boy finally rode it home.

I posted earlier in the thread about why CitiBike and other bikeshares have time limits like that 45 minute limit (after which you can keep the bike but will pay a per-minute charge). The WHOLE POINT of these limits is to prevent bike hoarding. Without them, people would simply park bikes in their homes and places of work until they were ready to leave, or hide them or even lock them up with their own locks, in order to keep them available for their personal use. Because wouldn't it be convenient if the bike you took to go out to dinner was just sitting there waiting for you when you were done? Especially if it was an e-bike. So CitiBike knows that people want to hoard the bikes and that this will mess up the system and deprive them of revenue. So they create rules to prevent it, like charging per-minute after the first 45 minutes.

This kid docked the bike to reset it and waited nearly an hour, during peak demand, before using that bike to go home. That's almost a full hour where that bike could have been used by 2 or 3 other people to get home from work, or get to an ending shift, or get them cross-town for a show or whatever.

And instead it sat in a dock at Bellevue Hospital while a 17 year old guarded it and prevented others from using it, so that he could guarantee he'd be able to take it home.

If you think the PA was the only person who wanted that e-bike during that period, you are wrong. I guarantee you multiple people came to that station looking for that bike (because e-bikes are hard to find and they show up in the app when they are available) only to be told "no it's my bike" by that kid.

Yep. Monique's piece also mentions he's a member of CitiBike's Bike Angels program, as if that's a good thing. CitiBike gives you points for moving a bike from a crowded dock to a dock with few points. The whole point of the Bike Angels program is to move bikes around so other people can use them. Not so you can deny the bike to other people for 50 minutes until you're finally ready to get back on it.

I don't get the impression she actually looked into what the statements others made were. The sister made it sound like that program was to get donations for those in need and not to reallocate bikes to other locations.

Lol that would require Judge to spend literally a second of her precious time doing actual journalism instead of just hammering out click bait based on hyperbole, lies, and innuendo and then spending the rest of day smoking weed, watching basketball, and tweeting.

(Yes, I have spent a bit of time looking at Judge's stupid, stupid Twitter account.)

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

She didn’t call police or security AT ALL which is why the “white tears ~literally kill people!!!!!11~” narrative is so disingenuous.

He didn’t have the bike rented under his account. He had it docked to wait out the cooldown period for another free rental and it seems probably to take a longer break where he walked away to do whatever else. How long was he expecting others to wait? 5 minutes, 10? If you leave your parking space in the city someone else can use it right away. Just entitlement behavior all around.

That bike wound up being at the Bellevue docking station for nearly an hour, during rush hour on a Friday, before the boy finally rode it home.

I posted earlier in the thread about why CitiBike and other bikeshares have time limits like that 45 minute limit (after which you can keep the bike but will pay a per-minute charge). The WHOLE POINT of these limits is to prevent bike hoarding. Without them, people would simply park bikes in their homes and places of work until they were ready to leave, or hide them or even lock them up with their own locks, in order to keep them available for their personal use. Because wouldn't it be convenient if the bike you took to go out to dinner was just sitting there waiting for you when you were done? Especially if it was an e-bike. So CitiBike knows that people want to hoard the bikes and that this will mess up the system and deprive them of revenue. So they create rules to prevent it, like charging per-minute after the first 45 minutes.

This kid docked the bike to reset it and waited nearly an hour, during peak demand, before using that bike to go home. That's almost a full hour where that bike could have been used by 2 or 3 other people to get home from work, or get to an ending shift, or get them cross-town for a show or whatever.

And instead it sat in a dock at Bellevue Hospital while a 17 year old guarded it and prevented others from using it, so that he could guarantee he'd be able to take it home.

If you think the PA was the only person who wanted that e-bike during that period, you are wrong. I guarantee you multiple people came to that station looking for that bike (because e-bikes are hard to find and they show up in the app when they are available) only to be told "no it's my bike" by that kid.

Yep. Monique's piece also mentions he's a member of CitiBike's Bike Angels program, as if that's a good thing. CitiBike gives you points for moving a bike from a crowded dock to a dock with few points. The whole point of the Bike Angels program is to move bikes around so other people can use them. Not so you can deny the bike to other people for 50 minutes until you're finally ready to get back on it.

I don't get the impression she actually looked into what the statements others made were. The sister made it sound like that program was to get donations for those in need and not to reallocate bikes to other locations.

Monique didn't bother to check her facts? Amazing.

The family needs a lawyer if for no other reason than to stop them incriminating themselves. A good lawyer would do as the PA's lawyer has done, and just stop them making statements at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

She didn’t call police or security AT ALL which is why the “white tears ~literally kill people!!!!!11~” narrative is so disingenuous.

He didn’t have the bike rented under his account. He had it docked to wait out the cooldown period for another free rental and it seems probably to take a longer break where he walked away to do whatever else. How long was he expecting others to wait? 5 minutes, 10? If you leave your parking space in the city someone else can use it right away. Just entitlement behavior all around.

That bike wound up being at the Bellevue docking station for nearly an hour, during rush hour on a Friday, before the boy finally rode it home.

I posted earlier in the thread about why CitiBike and other bikeshares have time limits like that 45 minute limit (after which you can keep the bike but will pay a per-minute charge). The WHOLE POINT of these limits is to prevent bike hoarding. Without them, people would simply park bikes in their homes and places of work until they were ready to leave, or hide them or even lock them up with their own locks, in order to keep them available for their personal use. Because wouldn't it be convenient if the bike you took to go out to dinner was just sitting there waiting for you when you were done? Especially if it was an e-bike. So CitiBike knows that people want to hoard the bikes and that this will mess up the system and deprive them of revenue. So they create rules to prevent it, like charging per-minute after the first 45 minutes.

This kid docked the bike to reset it and waited nearly an hour, during peak demand, before using that bike to go home. That's almost a full hour where that bike could have been used by 2 or 3 other people to get home from work, or get to an ending shift, or get them cross-town for a show or whatever.

And instead it sat in a dock at Bellevue Hospital while a 17 year old guarded it and prevented others from using it, so that he could guarantee he'd be able to take it home.

If you think the PA was the only person who wanted that e-bike during that period, you are wrong. I guarantee you multiple people came to that station looking for that bike (because e-bikes are hard to find and they show up in the app when they are available) only to be told "no it's my bike" by that kid.

Yep. Monique's piece also mentions he's a member of CitiBike's Bike Angels program, as if that's a good thing. CitiBike gives you points for moving a bike from a crowded dock to a dock with few points. The whole point of the Bike Angels program is to move bikes around so other people can use them. Not so you can deny the bike to other people for 50 minutes until you're finally ready to get back on it.

I don't get the impression she actually looked into what the statements others made were. The sister made it sound like that program was to get donations for those in need and not to reallocate bikes to other locations.

Lol that would require Judge to spend literally a second of her precious time doing actual journalism instead of just hammering out click bait based on hyperbole, lies, and innuendo and then spending the rest of day smoking weed, watching basketball, and tweeting.

(Yes, I have spent a bit of time looking at Judge's stupid, stupid Twitter account.)

Haha, yep. I've stopped looking at her account because I don't want to give her the views, but I did clock her tweet about her bong. Made me wonder how much of her account is tweeted under the influence.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

These are young men who are graduating high school right now. They are old enough to be held accountable for their behavior, just like anyone else. She was surrounded by multiple men blocking her from leaving. What would YOU do if you were in that situation? She did not know if they were harmless or not (on the video they appeared to be but from her viewpoint at that moment she felt threatened). Help me is the appropriate response to it. She should just do what?

You even bother to ask? PP was responding to me asking the exact same question. Her response was "they are just children and she should take the regular bike." Gross.

- a progressive

They aren't children if they graduated high school. You cannot say they are kids for one situation and men for another.

Either way, they should come out and apologize for their actions, she should apologize for hers and be done with it. This has nothing to do with race. The men behaved very poorly and should know better than to gang up on a pregnant woman but if they said they were using it, even though they were in the wrong, you don't just take the bike either.

Have they graduated yet? NYC public schools are still in session until late June.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

She didn't call the cops!!! Where are you getting this? Hasn't this been explained to death?

omg so sue me I didn't read the whole 200 page thread. BUT she absolutely did not be needing to cry "HELP ME" as if they were going to hurt her. She could have just ... LEFT. Them being dicks doesn't mean she was somehow kidnapped.

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They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

We just don't know. She may have felt she was in danger--she says the bike was unattended before 4-5 guys came up and forcibly redocked her. I would have felt threatened. It's a he said/she said situation though.

Your "handle it gracefully" apparently entails quietly going away and pedaling home on a regular bike. If it involves a white woman, that is. I disagree.

At the end of the day, though, THEY filmed it and THEY posted it online with their racialized comments in the background. This could have remained a small skirmish, no harm no foul. But THEY made sure that didn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the whole “WhItE TeArS” thing is so gross to me. It’s NYC, 2023. The police don’t give a single solitary F about 2 people bickering over a rental bike. The police in any major city wouldn’t get involved. They don’t get involved when people are assaulted on public transit and when people are openly using and selling drugs and running out of stores with bags full of stolen merchandise - why would they, presumably, beat up someone over a disputed rental bike? These people want to be victims sooooo bad.

And yet eric garner died selling single cigarettes. "These people" ? You're disgusting. Police can and do overreact (yes, even in NYC) ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't be reacting to the BIKE, they'd be reacting to the "poor delicate overworked white lady" who "rightfully got" the bike. Please.

Are you actually mocking a visibly pregnant woman who's just come off a 12-hour shift as a "poor delicate overworked white lady"? You can't have children of your own.

And how, exactly, is her "whiteness" relevant? You added that to racialize it. You're gross.

NO I was mocking the PP who called her overworked.

But OF COURSE IT'S RACIALIZED. Me mentioning her race didn't make it so. It EXISTS. White women cry and get black men killed.

And there it is. ANY white woman who cries in public--even after coming off a 12-hour shift while pregnant just to be mocked by a gang of guys hoarding the last e-bike--must be trying to get black men killed. There was no acceptable response for her, only to quietly back down and either take one of the non-electric bikes or walk home.

Do you know what I think you are?

It was not a "gang of guys" --- nice dog whistle, by the way. It was a couple of KIDS. And YES - of course the acceptable adult response would be to take a non electric bike. Why is it the children who are supposed to be more mature than the adult? Because you all baby white woman and vilify black children, calling them a gang.

TF. Are you listening to yourself? He's 17 about to graduate from high school, so he's almost 18. Not a "child" by anyone's definition. He's been scamming Citibike all day, including hoarding this bike for 50 minutes at the same station without actually using it himself and abusing the Angel Bikes program. He and his friends loudly mock the PA and called her baby r****d. He and his friends filmed her and put the video online.

And you think he's a poor widdle child with zero agency. And that the pregnant woman should take the regular bike--have you ever been pregnant?

White boys who are 17 are ROUTINELY called boys while black kids are held to a different standard. And while they may have been behaving immaturely, that doesn't make it ok for an adult to cry and call the cops because they were mean to her.

And yes, I have been a tired pregnant white woman three times but it never occurred to me to cry and call the police on children who were acting dumb. But then, I am not a racist.

Of course you are not a racist! You are a very nice white woman who is also a social justice warrior and ally. I hope you let everyone around you know this.

Social justice warrior! Another dog whistle. Thanks for confirming who you are.