Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 5

[Anonymous]

"What's interesting here is that nothing you say really matters - you don't put anyone in jail unless there's sufficient evidence to back it up, which Ford didn't provide."

No, what's interesting here is that the legal standard for putting a person in jail has no meaning here. A Senate Committee hearing is not a court of law, so whether this could be prosecuted there is not relevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

You mean Swetnick? Yes, I completely agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: both the congress, white house, and the judiciary are controlled by the GOP. Do you really think even Kavanaugh's obvious perjury would be prosecuted there?

Stop asking: Why aren't perjury charges being brought?

Answer:

The majority GOP branches of government will never bring charges.

Why didn't Ford or Swetnik bring their charges to the police?

The sexist police force and prosecutors offices of 1981, 1983 etc., would never have believed them! They can't bring the charges now because too much time has gone by. It doesn't mean it didn't happen the exact way she said it did.

And it certainly doesn't mean that it did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Women go back to parties where they witnessed rape. They go back to parties where even they were raped.

1. Women go back to boyfriends that beat and rape them. Why don't they just go to the police?!

2. Young boys go back to football teams where they have had other boys attempt to rape them and you better believe they tell NO ONE. Why don't they just go to the police?!

3. Boys go back to teams where coaches have molested them. Why don't they just go to the police!

See how that works? People that have been sexually assaulted rarely go to the police. They OFTEN return to the assaulter. This is a known phenomenon.

You can play GOTCHA with Swetnik all day long. And yes, you'll get her all twisted up in knots because she's not the perfect victim. And oh no, she's from Gaithersburg! But picking on a rape victim from a "lower class" makes you feel smart and powerful and right, doesn't it?

You Kavanaugh supporters had to go pretty low to be worse than your leader Trump, but you've slid right under the gutter with him.

First of all, I don't care what "class" Swetnick is from, anymore than I care that Ford has a PhD. So what? People like you are the ones who are constantly making a big deal out of how "well educated" Ford is. If she had simply been a hairdresser or a cashier, would you have fawned all over her? Doubt it. You think she's entirely credibly by virtue of her degrees.

As for Swetnick, I don't know anything about her background and don't care to know. Why? Because it's irrelevant. All one has to do is read her sworn testimony. Then watch her video interview, where she walks back all of her previously sworn testimony because she knows it's not true. Her assertion that Judge and Kavanaugh actually "spiked the punch" was a lie. She later admits they were merely standing near the punch. Her assertion that they were part of the "gang rape" was a lie. They were merely at the same party.

She is lying and anyone who claims otherwise needs their head examined. That means you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Women go back to parties where they witnessed rape. They go back to parties where even they were raped.

1. Women go back to boyfriends that beat and rape them. Why don't they just go to the police?!

2. Young boys go back to football teams where they have had other boys attempt to rape them and you better believe they tell NO ONE. Why don't they just go to the police?!

3. Boys go back to teams where coaches have molested them. Why don't they just go to the police!

See how that works? People that have been sexually assaulted rarely go to the police. They OFTEN return to the assaulter. This is a known phenomenon.

You can play GOTCHA with Swetnik all day long. And yes, you'll get her all twisted up in knots because she's not the perfect victim. And oh no, she's from Gaithersburg! But picking on a rape victim from a "lower class" makes you feel smart and powerful and right, doesn't it?

You Kavanaugh supporters had to go pretty low to be worse than your leader Trump, but you've slid right under the gutter with him.

They will say anything to circle the wagons and protect one of their own. No matter what really happened.

How's that Keith Ellison investigation going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Kavanaugh hearings were a test. A test of how far identity politics could be taken — can an accusation by a traditionally-marginalized person be taken as immediate guilt, such that due process and evidence are themselves offensive? Could an allegation against a privileged person from a less privileged person be enough to comdemn immediately? This is what the Democrats wanted, and it comes after years of ratcheting up the hurling of labels like “racist” and “sexist” at thos with opposing virwpoints, censorship discussions, and microaggressions. It didn’t work this time, largely because people by and large still believe in fairness and other principles of democracy. What Democrats wanted was free reign to destroy anyone, especially political opponents, by simply alleging accusations that fit the anti-privilege story.

Well said.
+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there ever any proof or witnesses when a boy is raped by a fellow player or a teacher, coach, priest, etc.?

Aren't those allegations usually decades old?

Why do you believe the boys and not Dr. Ford who was 15 at the time?

I think the catholic stuff reached a critical mass, so to speak.

+1
In addition, in the cases where boys accused someone decades later, the accused almost always admitted guilt. Pretty open-and-shut case when the accused doesn't deny the crime. Also, many times there are corroborating witnesses.

None of that applies here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Women go back to parties where they witnessed rape. They go back to parties where even they were raped.

1. Women go back to boyfriends that beat and rape them. Why don't they just go to the police?!

2. Young boys go back to football teams where they have had other boys attempt to rape them and you better believe they tell NO ONE. Why don't they just go to the police?!

3. Boys go back to teams where coaches have molested them. Why don't they just go to the police!

See how that works? People that have been sexually assaulted rarely go to the police. They OFTEN return to the assaulter. This is a known phenomenon.

You can play GOTCHA with Swetnik all day long. And yes, you'll get her all twisted up in knots because she's not the perfect victim. And oh no, she's from Gaithersburg! But picking on a rape victim from a "lower class" makes you feel smart and powerful and right, doesn't it?

You Kavanaugh supporters had to go pretty low to be worse than your leader Trump, but you've slid right under the gutter with him.

In situations 1-3 you have power dynamic issues. Relationship, admired peers, admired coaches.

In Swetnick's situation, there is no such thing. She was, by her account, an older woman attending parties where younger boys were repeatedly drugging and raping girls and women. And she did nothing. She was not in a relationship with these boys. She was not beholden to them. She was, in fact, in a position of power as an older, college woman. She did nothing to save the girls and women. Nothing to save herself, not even staying away when she realized what scum these boys were. In fact, she continued going to these parties, by her own account. Continued to do nothing while girls and women were being drugged and raped. What she did do was associate with rapists, helping them drug and rape unsuspecting girls and women.

And in present day, she continues to do nothing by not reporting the crime to the police, who would follow up on it. Which should be trivial, since she says the entire county knew of these parties (which no one seems to know anything about, so perhaps she's saving herself criminal charges by not making a police report).

This is the crux of the matter, right here. She knows she's lied, so there's no way she will pursue a formal charge. And as you said - NO ONE else has come forward, corroborating her lurid tale of gang rape parties. I was a teenager at the same time, in the same area, and I have never once heard of these "parties." I'm sensing a 15 min. of fame situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way it isn't up to Dr. Ford, et al, to bring charges, you ninnies. The prosecutor's office can bring charges on any case they like, whether or not the victim comes in to their offices

*sigh*

And isn't it telling that the prosecutor's office has chosen NOT to bring charges related to any of these cases? Gosh, I wonder why they've decided not to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you don't think there is a "power dynamic" when a couple of popular football playing Prep boys hold down a younger underclassman girl of 15 from another school (in Ford's case), let alone a female from a public school in Gaithersburg (Swetnik), then you are just being purposefully dishonest.

I'm just certain you meant to say, "allegedly."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: both the congress, white house, and the judiciary are controlled by the GOP. Do you really think even Kavanaugh's obvious perjury would be prosecuted there?

Stop asking: Why aren't perjury charges being brought?

Answer:

The majority GOP branches of government will never bring charges.

Why didn't Ford or Swetnik bring their charges to the police?

The sexist police force and prosecutors offices of 1981, 1983 etc., would never have believed them! They can't bring the charges now because too much time has gone by. It doesn't mean it didn't happen the exact way she said it did.

When the Republicans had no hope in hell of passing bills, they still worked on them, used media, and otherwise energized their base to keep issues at the forefront.
If the perjury charge were serious, Democrats could be doing exactly the same. They are not, and yet their base would love it. That they are not pursuing this is telling.

I'm not asking why Ford and Swetnick didn't go to the police then. I'm asking why they don't go to the police now. The police who have explicitly said they will follow up on their complaints. That Ford and Swetnick don't go to the police now is telling.

Are you suggesting that Democrats behave in the same unconscionable way Republicans did and go on FOX and spread lies about the ACA to conspire to rip healthcare away from millions of Americans even though they didn't have the votes to overturn it? You may be on to something with that...

I am suggesting that when people believe strongly in something, they aren't going a little thing like "don't currently have the votes/power" get in their way.

If Democrats believe that Kavanaugh has perjured himself, they could be doing something about it. They aren't. Which gives credence to the theory that it was all a circus and nothing they believed seriously. If they believe that he was a disgusting man who sexually attacked and assaulted multiple women, they would be actively encouraging the women to report to police. They aren't. It was a show for them, and they used the women as pawns.

For all that "Benghazi" was a ridiculous frustration, it shows a level of belief that something happened and it should be followed up on. The loudest agitators may have been single-minded to the point of insanity, but I don't think you could doubt that they believed something bad happened and justice was needed.

This situation is exposing the Democrats as having run a circus with no real belief in their assertions. Being willing to attack and destroy a man over what seem to have been baseless assertions, since there has been no followup, is completely disgusting.

EXACTLY. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[…]

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven."

Matthew 6:1

Excellent Bible burn, PP.

And according to his Judiciary Committee questionnaire he just started doing this in 2015 - you know, just in time to get his resume in order

Catholic Charities, Archdiocese of Washington (2015 - present)
Volunteer
Catholic Charities is the social ministry outreach of the Archdiocese of Washington. As
a volunteer, I have regularly served meals as part of the St. Maria's Meals program in
Washington, D.C.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You attack the ABA when they decide against you and praise the rating when it's in your favor:

"The American Bar Association is not neutral. The ABA is a liberal organization that has publicly and consistently advocated for left-of-center positions for more than two decades now. The ABA has no right to special treatment by members of this body."

Ben Sasse (Repub) NB

You have no moral high ground on this issue. Neither does your falling down drunk liar SJC. But go ahead and try to weasel out of it--it's what you're good at.

This kind of comment is why people defend Kavanaugh. "Falling down drunk?" Do you seriously think he could have performed on the job as successfully as he has for the past 25 years if your description were true? Such an absurd exaggeration.

THIS. We've established that he drank a lot in high school and college. There have been ZERO reports of any kind related to any negative behavior on his part as an adult and as a judge. None. Nada. Zip. Those posters insisting he's a "drunk" clearly can't distinguish between drinking as a student and maturing into a responsible person with an incredibly responsible position.

It's pathetic that PPs have to resort to smearing him as a "drunk" because they have absolutely nothing else to fall back on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having mindless speculation for the past two years about impeaching Trump or removing him through the 25th Amendment, nutty liberals can now focus on impeaching Kavanaugh for the next two years.

They will have as much success as they did with impeaching Trump.

Precisely. When one asinine attempt fails, try try again. So pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: both the congress, white house, and the judiciary are controlled by the GOP. Do you really think even Kavanaugh's obvious perjury would be prosecuted there?

Stop asking: Why aren't perjury charges being brought?

Answer:

The majority GOP branches of government will never bring charges.

Why didn't Ford or Swetnik bring their charges to the police?

The sexist police force and prosecutors offices of 1981, 1983 etc., would never have believed them! They can't bring the charges now because too much time has gone by. It doesn't mean it didn't happen the exact way she said it did.

When the Republicans had no hope in hell of passing bills, they still worked on them, used media, and otherwise energized their base to keep issues at the forefront.
If the perjury charge were serious, Democrats could be doing exactly the same. They are not, and yet their base would love it. That they are not pursuing this is telling.

I'm not asking why Ford and Swetnick didn't go to the police then. I'm asking why they don't go to the police now. The police who have explicitly said they will follow up on their complaints. That Ford and Swetnick don't go to the police now is telling.

Are you suggesting that Democrats behave in the same unconscionable way Republicans did and go on FOX and spread lies about the ACA to conspire to rip healthcare away from millions of Americans even though they didn't have the votes to overturn it? You may be on to something with that...

I am suggesting that when people believe strongly in something, they aren't going a little thing like "don't currently have the votes/power" get in their way.

If Democrats believe that Kavanaugh has perjured himself, they could be doing something about it. They aren't. Which gives credence to the theory that it was all a circus and nothing they believed seriously. If they believe that he was a disgusting man who sexually attacked and assaulted multiple women, they would be actively encouraging the women to report to police. They aren't. It was a show for them, and they used the women as pawns.

For all that "Benghazi" was a ridiculous frustration, it shows a level of belief that something happened and it should be followed up on. The loudest agitators may have been single-minded to the point of insanity, but I don't think you could doubt that they believed something bad happened and justice was needed.

This situation is exposing the Democrats as having run a circus with no real belief in their assertions. Being willing to attack and destroy a man over what seem to have been baseless assertions, since there has been no followup, is completely disgusting.

EXACTLY. Thank you.

+100
And, well stated.