Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Why does everyone hate gifted kids leaving the dcc?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone hate gifted kids leaving the dcc?

I don't think you know what gifted means.

I think a bunch of posters thought about what MCPS could propose that would be the worst thing for them, and decided to to propose MCPS do that to low income kids. Long bus rides and reducing high performing cohorts at the home schools. Exactly everything west county parents do not want.

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Anonymous wrote:is there any kind of meaningful difference in, say, a FARMS rate of 45% versus a FARMS rate of 55%? Is there some tipping point that yields the best outcomes for low income kids?

20-25% is tipping point. RM cluster went through boundary change some time back and some one had research done on by MIT or some univ like that. BOE student member was the one who paid attention to that research at that time.

45% or 55% makes no differece. That's my recollection. I am in RM cluster but not the RM parent you guys are citing.

Tipping point how? We are at a 40%ish FARMS elementary school we're very happy with, and have heard good things about the middle and high schools which have roughly similar rates. What is it that's supposed to be negative about these schools because they're not under 25%?

It won't have much impact on non-FARMS kids. FARMS kids benefit from being in school with FARMS rate under 20-25%.

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Anonymous wrote:is there any kind of meaningful difference in, say, a FARMS rate of 45% versus a FARMS rate of 55%? Is there some tipping point that yields the best outcomes for low income kids?

20-25% is tipping point. RM cluster went through boundary change some time back and some one had research done on by MIT or some univ like that. BOE student member was the one who paid attention to that research at that time.

45% or 55% makes no differece. That's my recollection. I am in RM cluster but not the RM parent you guys are citing.

Then I like the idea of having 20% seats for FARMS in Whitman and CHurchill by magnet like voluntary bussing to allow as many as FARMS kids in 20% FARMS school enviornment,

I don’t know how many takers you will get. Many FARMS kids are offered magnet spots in CES and middle school and it is my understanding that folks often turn down the offers, preferring somewhere closer to home with families they know in their home communities.

Yah, not sure how many will take but if it's offered entire FARMS kids then may be 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 opt opt for it and benefit. Not sure, it has been tried any time. Worth exploring.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone hate gifted kids leaving the dcc?

Because then the gifted kids still there don’t have a big enough cohort to get the upper level classes so they go without.

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Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.

Also anyone know the percent FARMs total for all the high schools in the boundary study? It would be helpful to be able to assess how far above and below that percentage each option creates at each school.

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Anonymous wrote:Cheby chase or Bethesda to downtown SS is def. not an hour maybe 30 minutes tops. I used to do the commute for work..

on a bus with multiple stops and not using 495 it's easily 45 minutes. Blair isn't quite in dtss.

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And it's not necessary. CC is the CC is B-CC. B-CC is walkable for those in CC.

I'll buy that the school bus trip is 45 minutes, not 65 minutes as some are demanding low income kids do if they care about their futures

the Whitman suggestion arose because involuntary busing won't equalize FARMS rates because people will segregate (because they always do). the question became how can you increase the FARMS rate at Whitman, given it is so far away, without involuntary busing. the suggestion was to allow kids to voluntarily lottery in. the challenge is of course the length of the bus ride.

Why are you making proposals that only impact kids in other communities? Maybe stfu with your paternalistic bs

Whitman will remain way below 20% FARMS even with central bussing option for FAMRS kids to attend Whotman. It won't have a negative impact on Whitman. If even 25 FARMS kids opt to study in Whitman and can benefit, it will be great outcome. It can be tried for Churchill as well. I like this idea.

- A whitman parent

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Anonymous wrote:is there any kind of meaningful difference in, say, a FARMS rate of 45% versus a FARMS rate of 55%? Is there some tipping point that yields the best outcomes for low income kids?

20-25% is tipping point. RM cluster went through boundary change some time back and some one had research done on by MIT or some univ like that. BOE student member was the one who paid attention to that research at that time.

45% or 55% makes no differece. That's my recollection. I am in RM cluster but not the RM parent you guys are citing.

Tipping point how? We are at a 40%ish FARMS elementary school we're very happy with, and have heard good things about the middle and high schools which have roughly similar rates. What is it that's supposed to be negative about these schools because they're not under 25%?

It won't have much impact on non-FARMS kids. FARMS kids benefit from being in school with FARMS rate under 20-25%.

Some research has shown a tipping point for math of 35%

None of this is definitive

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Anonymous wrote:Cheby chase or Bethesda to downtown SS is def. not an hour maybe 30 minutes tops. I used to do the commute for work..

on a bus with multiple stops and not using 495 it's easily 45 minutes. Blair isn't quite in dtss.

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And it's not necessary. CC is the CC is B-CC. B-CC is walkable for those in CC.

I'll buy that the school bus trip is 45 minutes, not 65 minutes as some are demanding low income kids do if they care about their futures

the Whitman suggestion arose because involuntary busing won't equalize FARMS rates because people will segregate (because they always do). the question became how can you increase the FARMS rate at Whitman, given it is so far away, without involuntary busing. the suggestion was to allow kids to voluntarily lottery in. the challenge is of course the length of the bus ride.

Why are you making proposals that only impact kids in other communities? Maybe stfu with your paternalistic bs

yikes why don't you care about poor kids' education?

I do. This proposal is not practical and will harm both the kids that get bussed and the kids who can't swing the commute, which would be significantly longer than any commute proposed in Option 3.

ok then what proposal that does not involve involutarily busing kids 45 min will increase the FARMS rate at Whitman?

I don't care about increasing the farms rate at Whitman. People who live there chose it willingly. I would love to decrease the farms rates at DCC schools but that's not going to happen in any significant way, so I definitely don't want to bus half of the most academically inclined kids out of the DCC.

I don't think it will be more than 25-30 FARMS kids who will opt for it. That's like 3-4 kids per school and that's being optimistic. Entire DCC has way more than 50 academically inclined kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not create a true magnet school within Whitman, rather than just (voluntarily) bus kids there based on FARMS?

That way you would boost Whitman’s FARMS rate while also increasing the odds that the newfound diversity at the school won’t come with the potential attendant behavior problems and culture clash?

Because I can assure you that many Whitman families have enough money to jump to private school if they feel the quality of the school is being eroded. Then it will be a downward spiral academically and the question for the families who are sending their kids to Whitman via long, voluntary bus rides will be, what was the point?

Whitman is the last school which needs magnet. Magnet are often put in low performing school to atrtact high performing kids to raise school profile. Putting magnet in Whitman won't raise FARMS level in Whitman. Very few FAMRS kids make into magnets.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.

Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.

Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)

Thank you RM Dad

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Anonymous wrote:Cheby chase or Bethesda to downtown SS is def. not an hour maybe 30 minutes tops. I used to do the commute for work..

on a bus with multiple stops and not using 495 it's easily 45 minutes. Blair isn't quite in dtss.

+1

And it's not necessary. CC is the CC is B-CC. B-CC is walkable for those in CC.

I'll buy that the school bus trip is 45 minutes, not 65 minutes as some are demanding low income kids do if they care about their futures

the Whitman suggestion arose because involuntary busing won't equalize FARMS rates because people will segregate (because they always do). the question became how can you increase the FARMS rate at Whitman, given it is so far away, without involuntary busing. the suggestion was to allow kids to voluntarily lottery in. the challenge is of course the length of the bus ride.

Why are you making proposals that only impact kids in other communities? Maybe stfu with your paternalistic bs

yikes why don't you care about poor kids' education?

I do. This proposal is not practical and will harm both the kids that get bussed and the kids who can't swing the commute, which would be significantly longer than any commute proposed in Option 3.

ok then what proposal that does not involve involutarily busing kids 45 min will increase the FARMS rate at Whitman?

I don't care about increasing the farms rate at Whitman. People who live there chose it willingly. I would love to decrease the farms rates at DCC schools but that's not going to happen in any significant way, so I definitely don't want to bus half of the most academically inclined kids out of the DCC.

I don't think it will be more than 25-30 FARMS kids who will opt for it. That's like 3-4 kids per school and that's being optimistic. Entire DCC has way more than 50 academically inclined kids.

So you think MCPS should pay for a bus to pick up and drive 30 kids from across the DCC to Whitman to assuage the white guilt of Whitman families?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone hate gifted kids leaving the dcc?

Because then the gifted kids still there don’t have a big enough cohort to get the upper level classes so they go without.

Fyi - the vast majority of smart kids are not gifted

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Anonymous wrote:Cheby chase or Bethesda to downtown SS is def. not an hour maybe 30 minutes tops. I used to do the commute for work..

on a bus with multiple stops and not using 495 it's easily 45 minutes. Blair isn't quite in dtss.

+1

And it's not necessary. CC is the CC is B-CC. B-CC is walkable for those in CC.

I'll buy that the school bus trip is 45 minutes, not 65 minutes as some are demanding low income kids do if they care about their futures

the Whitman suggestion arose because involuntary busing won't equalize FARMS rates because people will segregate (because they always do). the question became how can you increase the FARMS rate at Whitman, given it is so far away, without involuntary busing. the suggestion was to allow kids to voluntarily lottery in. the challenge is of course the length of the bus ride.

Why are you making proposals that only impact kids in other communities? Maybe stfu with your paternalistic bs

yikes why don't you care about poor kids' education?

I do. This proposal is not practical and will harm both the kids that get bussed and the kids who can't swing the commute, which would be significantly longer than any commute proposed in Option 3.

ok then what proposal that does not involve involutarily busing kids 45 min will increase the FARMS rate at Whitman?

I don't care about increasing the farms rate at Whitman. People who live there chose it willingly. I would love to decrease the farms rates at DCC schools but that's not going to happen in any significant way, so I definitely don't want to bus half of the most academically inclined kids out of the DCC.

I don't think it will be more than 25-30 FARMS kids who will opt for it. That's like 3-4 kids per school and that's being optimistic. Entire DCC has way more than 50 academically inclined kids.

So you think MCPS should pay for a bus to pick up and drive 30 kids from across the DCC to Whitman to assuage the white guilt of Whitman families?

Nah, MCPS should do it to provide oppurtunity to FARMS kids to attend schools having less than 20% FARMS. It will help some FARMS kids a lot who are in position to opt for it.

If it can be done for magnet then why not for FARMS kids. I am not from Whitman.