Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Np. I assume that most Palestinians wouldn’t condone Oct 7.

What makes you assume that? Palestinians in Gaza and all over the world cheered the invasion and the massacre.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

You’ve lost it man. If protesters were nonviolent there’d be no issue. They are violent, vandalizing, blocking passage on campus, and increasingly speaking in violent, bigoted & duplicitous rhetoric. It’s the [blind] mob mentality led by a malicious few. I protested heavily in my teens and 20s well before it was cool to be “woke”. We protested for racial equity and socioeconomic justice. We protested for wrongful incarcerations. We protested for public education funding. We NEVER denigrated another group. We never threatened people. We never spewed bigoted vitriol about anyone. This is something different. And the progressive movement is also different. It’s become a cause of hate and rage and power plays instead of a movement for collective humanity. It’s not the group I used to roll with. And as such, it’s become a weapon of other global interests to destroy this country from the inside.

DP but have to add that we were NEVER against free speech. We never wanted to censor our opposition, we wanted to debate them

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I agree that the progressive movement has changed for the worse since my younger days. I feel like there was a really dark shift towards divisiveness and hate/anger over recent years. Caught me completely off guard.

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Anonymous wrote:Our students are useful idiots being propagandized. Combine the sheep culture they grew up in fostered by social media, the intellectually lazy DEI curriculum they experienced in their schooling, and the larger oversimplified “us v them” dynamic we are all living in - and what results? They are now the tools of foreign interests. Some/most have good intentions to right the injustices they see, but have such a gap in historical & geopolitical understanding. And again, this is not a generation that was ever taught to cultivate their complex thinking skills. We have entered very dangerous times.

I’m pretty sure, PP, that it’s you and your fellow boomers who lack critical thinking skills and bear the hallmarks of decades of propaganda. American support for Israel over recent decades was largely the result of corruption that permeated almost all of elite America and has risked the country’s future. It’s a real sign of hope the kids have seen through the lies of prior generations. They haven’t defeated the corrupt establishment yet, but we are seeing the beginning of the end of the blank check support for Israel, a fascist ethnostate that has long practiced apartheid and is now perpetuating a genocide.

DP. Your ridiculous and ageist attempt to use “boomers” as an insult undermines any point you might have had.

These protests are very unpopular, including with Gen Z kids who aren’t cosplaying as revolutionaries. You should try talking to Gen Zers who aren’t in your bubble. “The kids” see through you.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow!

One. An argument in favor collective punishment from federal judge is really, really terrible. They won’t hired Columbia undergrads who actually opposed the protests 8 years prior? This statement is so bad that . . .

Two. One might suspect these were all Trump nominees. You know, the ones the ABA rated as “unqualified”. That would be because . . .

Three. They are. Every single one nominated by Trump. I mean— Matthew Kaczmaryc? That should be Your first clue right there.

A couple other points. This makes the delegitimization and politicization problems the federal judiciary has been starting with Clarence and Ginnny Thomas (not helped by Aileen Cannon or Matty K) so. much. worse. John Robert must be ready to go postal.

Also, these MAGAtt pimped out the by thr Federalist Society were never going to hire liberal law clerks. They are heading for Hillsdale and Liberty grads anyway. And Ivy caliber law clerks would never work for them even if offered. Not all federal clerkships are created equal. Most a prestigious. But, there are exceptions. Some can be career killers. Interesting article about Aileen Cannon’s clerks quitting. Google “cannon law clerks quit”.

In fact, the only thing that is Wow! Here is that Cannon had the sense not to sign this. I guess if you’re a laughingstock long enough, you start making better choices.

If these people are as awful as you say, then students should be thrilled that Columbia and Harvard won't associated with them.

Well, Harvard and Columbia always have some eager beaver young Federalist Society members. I guess they would be upset. But yeah— they aren’t respected jurists. And liberal or moderate or even moderate conservative students wouldn’t send resumes to them. Your would need to be pretty far to the right and want a career in right wing politics or some form of right wing activism to want these judges names on your resume. So, I’m not sure whom they think they are hurting here. In reality, only people who are already pretty far right. And they are looking for Libert, Bob Jones U, Hillsdale, etc undergrad anyway.

moderate or sending resumes to THiS crew. Again, Matty K? I mean…. Who would clerk for him to being with?

This is simply not true. You obviously know nothing about clerkships.

Only RWNJs are going to clerk for Kaczmaryk. That name is going to stick out on resumes and only people who want it for that reason and who are ok clerking for a RWNJ will apply

Keep digging. It’s entertaining. You know nothing of clerkships.

You can keep saying that but it’s wrong. I had multiple federal clerkships and certainly I was selective where I applied based on the reputation of the judge. Likewise I know something of the hiring process of judges.

I certainly hope you are lying. It is a terrifying possibility that you actually clerked. For my own faith in the skill and neutrality of the judiciary, I have to believe you are lying. The alternative is too depressing and scary for the future of the country and an independent judiciary.

DP. I would assume they are telling the truth, just like the justices who felt brazen enough to declare political motives online, which is in direct violation of their oath. The depressing and scary are here, let's not pretend otherwise.

True. Very scary indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

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The delusions of grandeur are shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

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Anonymous wrote:Our students are useful idiots being propagandized. Combine the sheep culture they grew up in fostered by social media, the intellectually lazy DEI curriculum they experienced in their schooling, and the larger oversimplified “us v them” dynamic we are all living in - and what results? They are now the tools of foreign interests. Some/most have good intentions to right the injustices they see, but have such a gap in historical & geopolitical understanding. And again, this is not a generation that was ever taught to cultivate their complex thinking skills. We have entered very dangerous times.

I’m pretty sure, PP, that it’s you and your fellow boomers who lack critical thinking skills and bear the hallmarks of decades of propaganda. American support for Israel over recent decades was largely the result of corruption that permeated almost all of elite America and has risked the country’s future. It’s a real sign of hope the kids have seen through the lies of prior generations. They haven’t defeated the corrupt establishment yet, but we are seeing the beginning of the end of the blank check support for Israel, a fascist ethnostate that has long practiced apartheid and is now perpetuating a genocide.

DP. Your ridiculous and ageist attempt to use “boomers” as an insult undermines any point you might have had.

These protests are very unpopular, including with Gen Z kids who aren’t cosplaying as revolutionaries. You should try talking to Gen Zers who aren’t in your bubble. “The kids” see through you.

Thank you, pp. I’m the supposed boomer the other poster is referencing. Yet I’m a millennial. People resort to name calling when they have nothing else. There is no need to to even engage. I offered constructive and open conversation but they have consistently been afraid and unable to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Np. I assume that most Palestinians wouldn’t condone Oct 7.

What makes you assume that? Palestinians in Gaza and all over the world cheered the invasion and the massacre.

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We all saw how delighted Palestinians were over Oct. 7. Polls have all shown that they very much condoned the brutal attack on Jews.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

this is the reality. There have been protests (mostly peaceful) on campuses since Nov/dec last year. We are only paying attention now because they are getting heard.

And it’s slowly changing the perceptions on campus and elsewhere. I don’t condone the violence or vandalism. I am glad my child is not participating. But I cannot pretend they are not more effective than the peaceful marches she did attend against the Israeli conduct of the war.

They are definitely not more effective than peaceful mass protest. We learned that during Occupy Wallstreet and BLM. They are alienating normal people.

Well this is different. Because..

...Because they are convincing other college students that Hamas is peaceful and deserves to rise up and take the river to the sea.

Well they do not have the full backing of a state with lobbyists trying to convince us that Israel is peaceful.

Right, but we do know what they’re proud of. They are the ones that took videos on October 7 and they disseminated those videos. We’ve seen what they wanted us to see and it was grizzly and violent and deranged.

Even if Israel is secretly bad, at least their populous won’t stand for their “government“ Committing atrocities as, apparently Palestinians seem to endorse Hamas.

This is a nuts post, so maybe I am nuts for responding.

But anyway—

1) the “they” in the post you are responding to is students, not Hamas. So no “they” did not take videos on 10/7

2) destroying all of the hospitals, school 70% of the homes and killing 15,000 kids (some through starvation) are the atrocities— it’s not a secret and many Israelis are “apparently” just fine with it

3) I have no idea how you judge whether Palestinians are in support of atrocities— you just think “apparently” they are?

Re: #3, have you checked the polling? Might want to take a look.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

You’ve lost it man. If protesters were nonviolent there’d be no issue. They are violent, vandalizing, blocking passage on campus, and increasingly speaking in violent, bigoted & duplicitous rhetoric. It’s the [blind] mob mentality led by a malicious few. I protested heavily in my teens and 20s well before it was cool to be “woke”. We protested for racial equity and socioeconomic justice. We protested for wrongful incarcerations. We protested for public education funding. We NEVER denigrated another group. We never threatened people. We never spewed bigoted vitriol about anyone. This is something different. And the progressive movement is also different. It’s become a cause of hate and rage and power plays instead of a movement for collective humanity. It’s not the group I used to roll with. And as such, it’s become a weapon of other global interests to destroy this country from the inside.

DP but have to add that we were NEVER against free speech. We never wanted to censor our opposition, we wanted to debate them

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I agree that the progressive movement has changed for the worse since my younger days. I feel like there was a really dark shift towards divisiveness and hate/anger over recent years. Caught me completely off guard.

I had people calling me a Social Justice Warrior as recently as five years ago. But the progressive movement has lost its way. Somehow they're now anti gay and lesbian, misogynist, anti-semitic, ageist, and even pro-Russia and Iran. They're hypocritical, hateful and plain mean. I sometimes wonder if the progressive movement is full of extreme right wing satirists, 'cause shit is WILD.

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I don’t understand why students are asking universities to divest from Israel. Universities have the right to invest where they want. If the student doesn’t like it, withdraw and go to another university.

Divesting actually won’t even help. This protest is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Biden, if they haven't already, artists are gonna influence the youth voters - the ones your campaign needs!:

Scottie Andrew, CNN
"rapper Macklemore praises college students across the US who are protesting Israel’s war in Gaza, vowing that he will not vote for President Joe Biden come November.

The song, released Monday, is titled “Hind’s Hall” in reference to the new temporary name pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia University gave to a building they occupied on campus.

With its release, the Grammy-winning rapper becomes one of the first major music artists to explicitly condemn the US government’s continued aid to Israel and praise students who are protesting their universities’ financial investments in companies tied to Israel on campuses across the US.

“The problem isn’t the protests, it’s what they’re protesting,” Macklemore raps. “It goes against what our country is funding.”

The song also criticizes the police dispatched by universities to break up protests on college campuses. Several of the schools who called on police to intervene said its encampments were unlawful and that administrators had attempted to negotiate with student protesters before police got involved.

Hind’s Hall, the name pro-Palestinian protesters gave to Columbia’s Hamilton Hall, was named for the Palestinian child Hind Rajab, who was found dead in Gaza after she became trapped in a car with six of her relatives.

They were fleeing fighting in northern Gaza when their vehicle came under Israeli fire.

Macklemore’s lyrics reference the more than 13,800 children who’ve been killed in Gaza since the beginning of the war. The song asks listeners, as well as politicians, university officials and fellow artists who’ve not spoken out against the violence in Gaza, to consider the human cost of the war: “What if you were in Gaza? What if those were your kids? If the West was pretending that you didn’t exist?”

In “Hind’s Hall,” Macklemore accuses the music industry of being “complicit in (its) platform of silence,” he sings.

He’s likely the only major artist to write a song about the conflict. Several notable musicians have signed onto the Artists 4Ceasefire letter addressed to Biden, though, including Dua Lipa, Jon Batiste and Selena Gomez. Scottish singer Annie Lennox also verbally called for a ceasefire while performing at the Grammys in February.

Macklemore has said through his social media channels that when the song is released on streaming, all the proceeds will go to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees.

Macklemore has been an outspoken supporter of Palestinians since last year. Less than two weeks after the October 7 attack on southern Israel led by Hamas, which saw the deaths of at least 1,200 people and the taking of more than 250 hostages, he shared a post in which he mourned the loss of life in both Israel and Gaza.

“My heart deeply hurts for the Israelis that lost loved ones to such an abomination,” he wrote of the October 7 attack. ”… But killing innocent humans in retaliation as collective punishment is not the answer. That is why I am supporting the people around the world who are calling for a ceasefire.”

Later in the post, he wrote, “I stand for a Free Palestine and an end to the looming genocide of its people.”

In the same post, he referenced the controversial claim that criticizing the Israeli government is antisemitic. “I can whole heartedly (sic) love my Jewish brothers and sisters while simultaneously condemning the Israeli government for their mass killings and Apartheid.”

Macklemore also appeared at a pro-Palestinian march in Washington in November. In an Instagram post shared after the event, he said that he was heartened by “Jewish and Muslim youth marching side by side, belting words of resistance together.”

Macklemore has faced accusations of antisemitism before. In 2014, he wore what he called a “random costume” of a large fake nose and thick black beard to surprise Seattle concertgoers. Several detractors, including Seth Rogen, called his costume antisemitic, prompting Macklemore to “acknowledge how the costume could, within a context of stereotyping, be ascribed to a Jewish caricature.”

The rapper has made political statements throughout his career. He was nominated for a Grammy for the 2012 song “Same Love,” which advocated for LGBTQ equality and support for same-sex marriage. In 2016, he appeared on a remix of the YG song “FDT, Pt. 2,” which stands for “F**k Donald Trump.”

Macklemore continued to speak out against Trump after he entered office. And protesters on college campuses are still speaking out against the war on Gaza, even after some universities canceled or altered commencements and have already disciplined fellow student protesters.

This guy?

Don’t even have to bring up the fact he is a well known anti-Semite, or the disgusting lies he is peddling through his song, or even the fact he did not even mention 10/7 once in his pro-terrorism song, the monster is threatening to donate the proceeds of this disgusting piece of “music” to the UNRWA (Hamas’ UN arm, that continues to pretend to be an aid organization despite the clear evidence it was an active participant in 10/7): https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/05/08/rapper-macklemore-donates-proceeds-new-anti-israel-song-un-agency-allegedly-linked-oct-7-attack/

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

But the general public isn’t on the side of the protesters, or shocked in the slightest in this case. In fact two times as many think the schools needed to have a harsher response. And almost two times as many oppose the protests, than support them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

You’ve lost it man. If protesters were nonviolent there’d be no issue. They are violent, vandalizing, blocking passage on campus, and increasingly speaking in violent, bigoted & duplicitous rhetoric. It’s the [blind] mob mentality led by a malicious few. I protested heavily in my teens and 20s well before it was cool to be “woke”. We protested for racial equity and socioeconomic justice. We protested for wrongful incarcerations. We protested for public education funding. We NEVER denigrated another group. We never threatened people. We never spewed bigoted vitriol about anyone. This is something different. And the progressive movement is also different. It’s become a cause of hate and rage and power plays instead of a movement for collective humanity. It’s not the group I used to roll with. And as such, it’s become a weapon of other global interests to destroy this country from the inside.

DP but have to add that we were NEVER against free speech. We never wanted to censor our opposition, we wanted to debate them

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I agree that the progressive movement has changed for the worse since my younger days. I feel like there was a really dark shift towards divisiveness and hate/anger over recent years. Caught me completely off guard.

I had people calling me a Social Justice Warrior as recently as five years ago. But the progressive movement has lost its way. Somehow they're now anti gay and lesbian, misogynist, anti-semitic, ageist, and even pro-Russia and Iran. They're hypocritical, hateful and plain mean. I sometimes wonder if the progressive movement is full of extreme right wing satirists, 'cause shit is WILD.

That’s what happens when you let elite ivory-tower types take control and make stuff about social justice instead of progressive economics.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very good letter. And the students who wrote it signed their names.

Great. They are welcome to write how they feel and their thoughts on the mattter.

Other Jewish people on campus feel differently and some have participated in the protests, like Jonathan Ben-Menachem. You can read his article here:
https://zeteo.com/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia

I notice how the writers of this piece refer to people like Jonathan as "our Jewish peers who tokenize themselves"

You can notice all kinds of things, and keep not noticing the Jew hatred that's been unleashed since Hamas slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped 1200 Israelis on Oct 7.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge the massive imbalance in atrocities committed by the Israeli side in this conflict, the less people hear you.

The more you ignore and refuse to acknowledge those atrocities and instead propagate false claims regarding the events of 10/7, the less people see you.

And the more you do both of those things while demanding that others focus only on YOUR interests and irrational feelings, the less people care about you at all.

The more these protesters pollute and vandalize college campuses, the less people hear or care about the. The more they do things like block highways, the less people hear and care about them. These strategies have been 100% asinine from the beginning.

Actually, the truth is that if they remained completely peaceful and quiet and focused only on protesting the killing of Palestinian civilians, that is when people would ignore them. It's only when they block highways and enter buildings that people pay attention. People like drama and controversy.

Right? Because that's exactly how people think. When they are blocked in traffic by pro-Palestinian protesters and late for work or picking up their kids or can't make it to the hospital as they're having a heart attack, their first thought is always gosh, maybe these protestors have a good point. We really should "globalize the intifada." Or when an engineering student can't get into the library to study, their first thought is always "We are all Hamas." Who needs an education?

Obviously MLK and Gandhi were idiots with their non-violent protests. Totally ignored. Got them nowhere.

You seem to be one of those people who only likes the sanitized sepia toned version of MLK.

The reason MLK’s nonviolent protests were successful is because people were shocked that police were deployed against them.

Now the students are being nonviolent and you are cheering the use of militarized police tactics on students.

I do not for a minute equate Bull Connor and Birmingham with the police removing the student Hamas enthusiasts that overtook Columbia. There is no equivalence, and to favorably compare the two demonstrates how completely delusional the protesters and their supporters are.

I promise you if MLK was still alive he’d be supporting the protesters.

I’m not sure I believe that.

I flat out don’t.