Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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I hope AH wins, but I am also worried about something one of the commentators said, that the jurors smiled at Vasquez at the beginning of the day today, and didn't show any other particular reaction to any of the other attys.

Camille Vasquez forces the judge, Depp's witnesses, Depp himself, and the jurors to smile at her. Don't be fooled. In between looking like she was going to puke during Rottenborn's closing statement, she managed to keep looking at jurors to gauge their thoughts. Eventually they saw or felt her looking at them and she forces eye contact, fake smiles, and waits for them to smile back. Wonder if Curry who isn't a board certified psychiatrist can diagnose Camille Vasquez's affliction.

The only reason she’s on this trial team is because everyone else knew that she, as an attractive woman, could get away with saying things her male colleagues never could. From their mouths, it would be immediately recognizable for the misogynistic, abuse-promoting bullshit it is.

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She's only 38 years old and will bank millions of dollars this year after attending a third tier law school. On what planet do you nitwits think this woman is a loser? She's about to be richer than 99% of 38-40 year old Ivy League lawyers.

Why do you think she will bank millions off this? She’s an 11th year associate at a big law firm, which means her prospects for partnership were probably fairly dim before his. The real money from the case will go to the partners. I mean, she could quit practicing law and try to get a commentary deal with Fox News or something, but that doesn’t actually pay very well.

That alone is $500,000+ a year but "not well" so says some seething lady on the mommy board at 6pm on memorial weekend.

DP. You know you’re posting here at 5:45 on memorial weekend, right?

That aside, most part-time Fox contributors don’t get paid nearly that much money. I mean, you’re not think she would get her own show, do you? 😆

I'm not the one claiming an attractive young ace barister and CLEAR charismatic star is some worthless unprofessional dumb bimbo. This is one of those once in a lifetime career moments and she's NAILING IT. She's going to get a Brink's truck of money when this ends from a variety of sources ex. firm, tv, book, speaking circuit, etc.

She hasn’t won yet. And there are only so many cases where it’s helpful to create a fantasy with the public that you’re having sex with your client.

I don't think she needs to win the case. Many viewers were smitten with her and if she's smart enough will bank on her popularity. On another note, I heard from one of the channel televising the trial that there is plans to make a movie and Heather Locklear will play Dr Shannon Curry, another stand out from the trial.

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Anonymous wrote:Gorgeous

She is. Especially for 38. The average 35-45 year old in the DMV is "woof" compared to her.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, just because she did not write it does not mean she did not get on that bandwagon. Why else would she write an oped? It was perfect timing and opportunity.

Because she was finally divorced with a domestic violence restraining order against Depp. She also announced her ACLA ambassadorship or whatever it's called. She had an attorney proof the Op Ed for any/all legal issues. Lastly, she had every right to speak or write about her experience.

I don't have an issue with her writing an oped about her experience if she was really abused, the issue with her is that she is an instigator in a lot of their fights as evidenced by her own recordings. To say that she is abused without mentioning that she is an instigator in their fights is untruthful, and worse when she speaks as an ambassador for the abused women.

This reflects a really poor understanding of the cycle of violence. Setting aside this specific case, domestic violence tends not to be a linear sequence of constant abuse. After an abusive incident, the abuser tends to be remorseful at first, but then anger and other negative emotions build and build until it explodes in another episode of physical abuse. That period when the anger is building again can be torture for an abuse victim because they know another abusive outburst is coming but they don’t know when. The result is that abuse victims will sometimes do things during that period to provoke their abuser just to get the next episode of abuse over with. It’s a protective response, but the consequence is that it looks like the victim is an instigator themselves.

there is another whole bad dynamic between them where she becomes his "sobriety keeper" and then he rebels against her when he is having a drinking or drugging episode and blames her for being controlling. so when she says his "leaving" is counter productive, she has a point but he has presented that as him leaving to prevent a fight, not him leaving to go get drunk. it is all super toxic.

Say it’s established that they were both abusive. That’s what even his expert actually testified to. The problem is, AH did NOT convey that she was also abusive to him in her oped. She was dishonest, and led her readers to believe that she was a typical victim when she was NOT, and he was NOT a typical abuser, as she conveyed, by misleading omission, in her oped. Dishonest and defamatory.

DP. Your analysis of the law is completely wrong.

Enlighten me

The standard is whether she made an affirmative false statement. Omitting his allegations that she abused him is not an affirmative statement. If he abused her, then her statement is true, regardless of what he would say in his own defense.

Moreover, think about what you’re saying for a moment. Defamation isn’t just about making a false statement. No one would care if she falsely claimed he didn’t like cocaine. The key to defamation is that it’s a false statement that harmed the person’s reputation. Implicit in your comment is that you believe abuse is justified if the other person has ever hit back. You are saying you would think no less of a Depp for raping her with a bottle if you knew she threw a bottle at him.

Her statement in her oped is that she was a “victim of abuse.” My impression of her written statement, and purpose of that op-ed, is not consistent with the evidence produced in this trial. Maybe we are arguing over semantics of her word choice, but I think her written statements convey a different kind of abuse than what actually happened. And I that way her written words were dishonest, and harmful to his career.

So you think they should both win? She’s liable because she didn’t give his side of the story and she wins because he falsely claimed that nothing she said was true?

Not PP, but I think neither should win. She didn’t defame him because he did abuse her. He didn’t defame her because he’s not wrong that a bunch of her evidence is so much BS.

I agree. Either that or both should win and damages should be kept at $1 or any equal amount with the stipulation that it be donated in its entirety to some DV charities

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Any educated guesses on how long the jury may deliberate and what it could mean to start deliberating and then leave for a long weekend.
Predictions?

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Anonymous wrote:Gorgeous

She is. Especially for 38. The average 35-45 year old in the DMV is "woof" compared to her.

Speak for yourself

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I hope AH wins, but I am also worried about something one of the commentators said, that the jurors smiled at Vasquez at the beginning of the day today, and didn't show any other particular reaction to any of the other attys.

Camille Vasquez forces the judge, Depp's witnesses, Depp himself, and the jurors to smile at her. Don't be fooled. In between looking like she was going to puke during Rottenborn's closing statement, she managed to keep looking at jurors to gauge their thoughts. Eventually they saw or felt her looking at them and she forces eye contact, fake smiles, and waits for them to smile back. Wonder if Curry who isn't a board certified psychiatrist can diagnose Camille Vasquez's affliction.

The only reason she’s on this trial team is because everyone else knew that she, as an attractive woman, could get away with saying things her male colleagues never could. From their mouths, it would be immediately recognizable for the misogynistic, abuse-promoting bullshit it is.

Plus one

She's only 38 years old and will bank millions of dollars this year after attending a third tier law school. On what planet do you nitwits think this woman is a loser? She's about to be richer than 99% of 38-40 year old Ivy League lawyers.

That was not the bone of contention - it was that she was selected for superficial optics rather than legal talent.

+1. Her courtroom performance was average. Maybe she will improve with a few more trials under her belt, but if it were for her physical appearance no one would have been particularly impressed by her.

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The lawyer got Heard to admit the op ed was about JD. That doesn’t seem average.

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I hope AH wins, but I am also worried about something one of the commentators said, that the jurors smiled at Vasquez at the beginning of the day today, and didn't show any other particular reaction to any of the other attys.

Camille Vasquez forces the judge, Depp's witnesses, Depp himself, and the jurors to smile at her. Don't be fooled. In between looking like she was going to puke during Rottenborn's closing statement, she managed to keep looking at jurors to gauge their thoughts. Eventually they saw or felt her looking at them and she forces eye contact, fake smiles, and waits for them to smile back. Wonder if Curry who isn't a board certified psychiatrist can diagnose Camille Vasquez's affliction.

The only reason she’s on this trial team is because everyone else knew that she, as an attractive woman, could get away with saying things her male colleagues never could. From their mouths, it would be immediately recognizable for the misogynistic, abuse-promoting bullshit it is.

Plus one

She's only 38 years old and will bank millions of dollars this year after attending a third tier law school. On what planet do you nitwits think this woman is a loser? She's about to be richer than 99% of 38-40 year old Ivy League lawyers.

Why do you think she will bank millions off this? She’s an 11th year associate at a big law firm, which means her prospects for partnership were probably fairly dim before his. The real money from the case will go to the partners. I mean, she could quit practicing law and try to get a commentary deal with Fox News or something, but that doesn’t actually pay very well.

That alone is $500,000+ a year but "not well" so says some seething lady on the mommy board at 6pm on memorial weekend.

DP. You know you’re posting here at 5:45 on memorial weekend, right?

That aside, most part-time Fox contributors don’t get paid nearly that much money. I mean, you’re not think she would get her own show, do you? 😆

I'm not the one claiming an attractive young ace barister and CLEAR charismatic star is some worthless unprofessional dumb bimbo. This is one of those once in a lifetime career moments and she's NAILING IT. She's going to get a Brink's truck of money when this ends from a variety of sources ex. firm, tv, book, speaking circuit, etc.

She hasn’t won yet. And there are only so many cases where it’s helpful to create a fantasy with the public that you’re having sex with your client.

I don't think she needs to win the case. Many viewers were smitten with her and if she's smart enough will bank on her popularity. On another note, I heard from one of the channel televising the trial that there is plans to make a movie and Heather Locklear will play Dr Shannon Curry, another stand out from the trial.

Literally no one is reporting this.

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Anonymous wrote:Any educated guesses on how long the jury may deliberate and what it could mean to start deliberating and then leave for a long weekend.
Predictions?

The jury probably did very little actual deliberating today. Most likely they selected a foreperson, talked about how they would approach deliberations next week, and then went home. My guess is that we’ll have a verdict by end of day Thursday.

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I hope AH wins, but I am also worried about something one of the commentators said, that the jurors smiled at Vasquez at the beginning of the day today, and didn't show any other particular reaction to any of the other attys.

Camille Vasquez forces the judge, Depp's witnesses, Depp himself, and the jurors to smile at her. Don't be fooled. In between looking like she was going to puke during Rottenborn's closing statement, she managed to keep looking at jurors to gauge their thoughts. Eventually they saw or felt her looking at them and she forces eye contact, fake smiles, and waits for them to smile back. Wonder if Curry who isn't a board certified psychiatrist can diagnose Camille Vasquez's affliction.

The only reason she’s on this trial team is because everyone else knew that she, as an attractive woman, could get away with saying things her male colleagues never could. From their mouths, it would be immediately recognizable for the misogynistic, abuse-promoting bullshit it is.

Exactly right

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Anonymous wrote:Gorgeous

She is. Especially for 38. The average 35-45 year old in the DMV is "woof" compared to her.

I think you are impressed by her hair. If she had the Jada Pinckett special, I’m not so sure you would be saying that. She’s just kind of youngish. And her personality is crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, just because she did not write it does not mean she did not get on that bandwagon. Why else would she write an oped? It was perfect timing and opportunity.

Because she was finally divorced with a domestic violence restraining order against Depp. She also announced her ACLA ambassadorship or whatever it's called. She had an attorney proof the Op Ed for any/all legal issues. Lastly, she had every right to speak or write about her experience.

I don't have an issue with her writing an oped about her experience if she was really abused, the issue with her is that she is an instigator in a lot of their fights as evidenced by her own recordings. To say that she is abused without mentioning that she is an instigator in their fights is untruthful, and worse when she speaks as an ambassador for the abused women.

This reflects a really poor understanding of the cycle of violence. Setting aside this specific case, domestic violence tends not to be a linear sequence of constant abuse. After an abusive incident, the abuser tends to be remorseful at first, but then anger and other negative emotions build and build until it explodes in another episode of physical abuse. That period when the anger is building again can be torture for an abuse victim because they know another abusive outburst is coming but they don’t know when. The result is that abuse victims will sometimes do things during that period to provoke their abuser just to get the next episode of abuse over with. It’s a protective response, but the consequence is that it looks like the victim is an instigator themselves.

there is another whole bad dynamic between them where she becomes his "sobriety keeper" and then he rebels against her when he is having a drinking or drugging episode and blames her for being controlling. so when she says his "leaving" is counter productive, she has a point but he has presented that as him leaving to prevent a fight, not him leaving to go get drunk. it is all super toxic.

Yes to both PP’s. If you have never been in a cycle like this with a spouse etc, you don’t know what it is like.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, just because she did not write it does not mean she did not get on that bandwagon. Why else would she write an oped? It was perfect timing and opportunity.

Because she was finally divorced with a domestic violence restraining order against Depp. She also announced her ACLA ambassadorship or whatever it's called. She had an attorney proof the Op Ed for any/all legal issues. Lastly, she had every right to speak or write about her experience.

I don't have an issue with her writing an oped about her experience if she was really abused, the issue with her is that she is an instigator in a lot of their fights as evidenced by her own recordings. To say that she is abused without mentioning that she is an instigator in their fights is untruthful, and worse when she speaks as an ambassador for the abused women.

This reflects a really poor understanding of the cycle of violence. Setting aside this specific case, domestic violence tends not to be a linear sequence of constant abuse. After an abusive incident, the abuser tends to be remorseful at first, but then anger and other negative emotions build and build until it explodes in another episode of physical abuse. That period when the anger is building again can be torture for an abuse victim because they know another abusive outburst is coming but they don’t know when. The result is that abuse victims will sometimes do things during that period to provoke their abuser just to get the next episode of abuse over with. It’s a protective response, but the consequence is that it looks like the victim is an instigator themselves.

there is another whole bad dynamic between them where she becomes his "sobriety keeper" and then he rebels against her when he is having a drinking or drugging episode and blames her for being controlling. so when she says his "leaving" is counter productive, she has a point but he has presented that as him leaving to prevent a fight, not him leaving to go get drunk. it is all super toxic.

Yes to both PP’s. If you have never been in a cycle like this with a spouse etc, you don’t know what it is like.

The only problem with this interpretation is that she was/is a druggie herself. She organized her whole life around parties and taking drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, just because she did not write it does not mean she did not get on that bandwagon. Why else would she write an oped? It was perfect timing and opportunity.

Because she was finally divorced with a domestic violence restraining order against Depp. She also announced her ACLA ambassadorship or whatever it's called. She had an attorney proof the Op Ed for any/all legal issues. Lastly, she had every right to speak or write about her experience.

I don't have an issue with her writing an oped about her experience if she was really abused, the issue with her is that she is an instigator in a lot of their fights as evidenced by her own recordings. To say that she is abused without mentioning that she is an instigator in their fights is untruthful, and worse when she speaks as an ambassador for the abused women.

This reflects a really poor understanding of the cycle of violence. Setting aside this specific case, domestic violence tends not to be a linear sequence of constant abuse. After an abusive incident, the abuser tends to be remorseful at first, but then anger and other negative emotions build and build until it explodes in another episode of physical abuse. That period when the anger is building again can be torture for an abuse victim because they know another abusive outburst is coming but they don’t know when. The result is that abuse victims will sometimes do things during that period to provoke their abuser just to get the next episode of abuse over with. It’s a protective response, but the consequence is that it looks like the victim is an instigator themselves.

there is another whole bad dynamic between them where she becomes his "sobriety keeper" and then he rebels against her when he is having a drinking or drugging episode and blames her for being controlling. so when she says his "leaving" is counter productive, she has a point but he has presented that as him leaving to prevent a fight, not him leaving to go get drunk. it is all super toxic.

Yes to both PP’s. If you have never been in a cycle like this with a spouse etc, you don’t know what it is like.

The only problem with this interpretation is that she was/is a druggie herself. She organized her whole life around parties and taking drugs.

No, I’m not just talking about the drug taking. More the whole toxic cycle of disrespect and verbal and mental abuse. And, even if she did do drugs, that would not nullify the other behavior I’m referencing. They can both co exist simultaneously

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Does anyone feel really sorry for the jurors who had to give up a lot of their life to sit through this mess. It's one thing to be a juror on a criminal trial where you are hopefully giving justice to either a victim or a defendant. It's one's "civic duty" to render a decision in a case where someone is injured by another driver or someone's bad product. But, in this case, they both seem pretty awful. I've always wanted to be a juror, but this case makes me think twice about that.... it would suck to waste my time on two terrible people.