8 Years of Trump Tax Returns Are Subpoenaed by Manhattan D.A.

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And if Trump would have kept his mouth shut, and gone about his reality TV business, nobody would be that interested in his taxes. No one he failed at running a casino where the house always wins.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here actually think Trump is anywhere near a serious tax cheat? Dude’s too much of a putz! The returns prolly reveal two things:
1. He’s much less rich than is hinted at
2. He’s still rich enough that our morally reprehensible tax code does his bidding

What powerful figure is going to get in front a parade where the big takeaway is that we’ve been treating the ultra-rich disturbingly well for decades???

You haven’t been paying attention. Of course there are things in the tax code which favor rich real estate investors but yes, he’s a serious tax cheat. Did you read the New York Times bombshell? The family invented a whole company out of nothing to cheat on taxes. And there’s plenty of evidence out in the open that he’s been inflating the value of what he owns to apply for loans and then way devaluating it when contesting property taxes.

I’m afraid it’s you who hasn’t been paying attention. Nothing out so far is all that exotic. And to reiterate: any serious look at how Trump has paid minimal taxes would be nuclear for the donor class. Which politico or appointee is going to go there???

Tax fraud doesn’t need to be “exotic” to be illegal. And, not sure if this is what Vance is looking into or whether it’s too old at this point, but what the family did with All County Building Supply & Maintenance Corp. is both.

Getting hung up on 'exotic' has yet to convince me that there's something actionable, especially if you consider the pressures the authorities have been responsive to in recent years.

And because someone had it deleted, I'll again remind people that Mitt Romney's taxes were full of very disturbing red flags and those were memory holed very, very quickly. And if you're inside the beltway and you didn't understand that then you are very much part of a problem that dwarfs anything Trump and family have been up to these past decades.

It's not actionable for you. But apparently it's actionable for the Manhattan DA.

I wasn't into politics in 2012, when Romney ran for President so I can't speak to the details. But he did release his taxes. Likely the holes *WERE* informally investigated and nothing came of it.

Let's just see what happens, shall we?

It’s stuff that’s almost never gone after: it’s recent precedent (aka a highly captured legal system) that leaves me unimpressed.

Now if it were up to me, the entire donor class would be blown up by better tax law and enforcement. The rest of you can keep thinking Trump is some great aberration, but I’m as asymptotically close to as is possible he’s not.

Trump set alot of new precedents.

I do think Trump is an aberration. He's a clown who drew too much attention. These people always get extra attention from law enforcement. Every other rich person on the planet knows this. Why doesn't he? People who flaunt their tax fraud will be taken down.

I'm with you on his being a clown who drew too much attention. But I don't think he's half as savagely mercenary as the nasty rich pieces of work I know who really game the system. Given how much money he inherited and the fact that he was largely focused on asset that went parabolic during his public ascent, i.e. NYC RE, he should be worth much , much more if he was at all competent with things like tax avoidance. I'm still very doubtful there's something juicy to be found here.

Competence is not a word one would associate with Trump. If he were half-way competent, he wouldn't have bankrupted a casino business. I have ZERO doubts that he has committed lots of financial crimes. Easiest to prove among them, would be tax fraud.

Psst: the biggest tax cheats are very, very competent people.

Not only can many not quit Trump, they can't quit the contradiction between thinking of him as a fool and thinking of him as a uniquely maleviolent force. Pick one people!

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PP, are you suggesting he can’t be both? He has proved himself to be both idiotic and malevolent.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, are you suggesting he can’t be both? He has proved himself to be both idiotic and malevolent.

He’s idiotic about most things except for self-promotion, at which he’s a savant. He’s also good at surrounding himself with malevolent people.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, are you suggesting he can’t be both? He has proved himself to be both idiotic and malevolent.

He’s idiotic about most things except for self-promotion, at which he’s a savant. He’s also good at surrounding himself with malevolent people.

I agree with all of that. But I think one of the reasons he surrounds himself with bad people is that he, himself, is also a bad person.

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I wonder how many records and notes have been destroyed in the intervening years?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many records and notes have been destroyed in the intervening years?

Unlikely, because the IRS has the tax records as well, and the filer has an obligation to keep their records for X number of years (IOW, "I lost it" is not a good defense). Remember that it was his accounting firm that's turning over his records. They're unlikely to risk punishment for him, by destroying records.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many records and notes have been destroyed in the intervening years?

Unlikely, because the IRS has the tax records as well, and the filer has an obligation to keep their records for X number of years (IOW, "I lost it" is not a good defense). Remember that it was his accounting firm that's turning over his records. They're unlikely to risk punishment for him, by destroying records.

+1 There’s a reason these subpoenas went to Trump’s accountants and not Trump himself.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here actually think Trump is anywhere near a serious tax cheat? Dude’s too much of a putz! The returns prolly reveal two things:
1. He’s much less rich than is hinted at
2. He’s still rich enough that our morally reprehensible tax code does his bidding

What powerful figure is going to get in front a parade where the big takeaway is that we’ve been treating the ultra-rich disturbingly well for decades???

You haven’t been paying attention. Of course there are things in the tax code which favor rich real estate investors but yes, he’s a serious tax cheat. Did you read the New York Times bombshell? The family invented a whole company out of nothing to cheat on taxes. And there’s plenty of evidence out in the open that he’s been inflating the value of what he owns to apply for loans and then way devaluating it when contesting property taxes.

I’m afraid it’s you who hasn’t been paying attention. Nothing out so far is all that exotic. And to reiterate: any serious look at how Trump has paid minimal taxes would be nuclear for the donor class. Which politico or appointee is going to go there???

Tax fraud doesn’t need to be “exotic” to be illegal. And, not sure if this is what Vance is looking into or whether it’s too old at this point, but what the family did with All County Building Supply & Maintenance Corp. is both.

Getting hung up on 'exotic' has yet to convince me that there's something actionable, especially if you consider the pressures the authorities have been responsive to in recent years.

And because someone had it deleted, I'll again remind people that Mitt Romney's taxes were full of very disturbing red flags and those were memory holed very, very quickly. And if you're inside the beltway and you didn't understand that then you are very much part of a problem that dwarfs anything Trump and family have been up to these past decades.

It's not actionable for you. But apparently it's actionable for the Manhattan DA.

I wasn't into politics in 2012, when Romney ran for President so I can't speak to the details. But he did release his taxes. Likely the holes *WERE* informally investigated and nothing came of it.

Let's just see what happens, shall we?

It’s stuff that’s almost never gone after: it’s recent precedent (aka a highly captured legal system) that leaves me unimpressed.

Now if it were up to me, the entire donor class would be blown up by better tax law and enforcement. The rest of you can keep thinking Trump is some great aberration, but I’m as asymptotically close to as is possible he’s not.

Trump set alot of new precedents.

I do think Trump is an aberration. He's a clown who drew too much attention. These people always get extra attention from law enforcement. Every other rich person on the planet knows this. Why doesn't he? People who flaunt their tax fraud will be taken down.

I'm with you on his being a clown who drew too much attention. But I don't think he's half as savagely mercenary as the nasty rich pieces of work I know who really game the system. Given how much money he inherited and the fact that he was largely focused on asset that went parabolic during his public ascent, i.e. NYC RE, he should be worth much , much more if he was at all competent with things like tax avoidance. I'm still very doubtful there's something juicy to be found here.

Competence is not a word one would associate with Trump. If he were half-way competent, he wouldn't have bankrupted a casino business. I have ZERO doubts that he has committed lots of financial crimes. Easiest to prove among them, would be tax fraud.

Psst: the biggest tax cheats are very, very competent people.

Not only can many not quit Trump, they can't quit the contradiction between thinking of him as a fool and thinking of him as a uniquely maleviolent force. Pick one people!

Why can't he be an incredibly dumb and also uniquely malevolent force?

[Anonymous]

The drip drip drip means this is a nothing burger. If they had him nailed they would have leaked the whopper already. We're all being played for clicks and eyeballs. Fake hysteria.

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Anonymous wrote:The drip drip drip means this is a nothing burger. If they had him nailed they would have leaked the whopper already. We're all being played for clicks and eyeballs. Fake hysteria.

Supreme Court is just trying to generate ratings for the MSM!

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here actually think Trump is anywhere near a serious tax cheat? Dude’s too much of a putz! The returns prolly reveal two things:
1. He’s much less rich than is hinted at
2. He’s still rich enough that our morally reprehensible tax code does his bidding

What powerful figure is going to get in front a parade where the big takeaway is that we’ve been treating the ultra-rich disturbingly well for decades???

You haven’t been paying attention. Of course there are things in the tax code which favor rich real estate investors but yes, he’s a serious tax cheat. Did you read the New York Times bombshell? The family invented a whole company out of nothing to cheat on taxes. And there’s plenty of evidence out in the open that he’s been inflating the value of what he owns to apply for loans and then way devaluating it when contesting property taxes.

I’m afraid it’s you who hasn’t been paying attention. Nothing out so far is all that exotic. And to reiterate: any serious look at how Trump has paid minimal taxes would be nuclear for the donor class. Which politico or appointee is going to go there???

Tax fraud doesn’t need to be “exotic” to be illegal. And, not sure if this is what Vance is looking into or whether it’s too old at this point, but what the family did with All County Building Supply & Maintenance Corp. is both.

Getting hung up on 'exotic' has yet to convince me that there's something actionable, especially if you consider the pressures the authorities have been responsive to in recent years.

And because someone had it deleted, I'll again remind people that Mitt Romney's taxes were full of very disturbing red flags and those were memory holed very, very quickly. And if you're inside the beltway and you didn't understand that then you are very much part of a problem that dwarfs anything Trump and family have been up to these past decades.

It's not actionable for you. But apparently it's actionable for the Manhattan DA.

I wasn't into politics in 2012, when Romney ran for President so I can't speak to the details. But he did release his taxes. Likely the holes *WERE* informally investigated and nothing came of it.

Let's just see what happens, shall we?

It’s stuff that’s almost never gone after: it’s recent precedent (aka a highly captured legal system) that leaves me unimpressed.

Now if it were up to me, the entire donor class would be blown up by better tax law and enforcement. The rest of you can keep thinking Trump is some great aberration, but I’m as asymptotically close to as is possible he’s not.

Trump set alot of new precedents.

I do think Trump is an aberration. He's a clown who drew too much attention. These people always get extra attention from law enforcement. Every other rich person on the planet knows this. Why doesn't he? People who flaunt their tax fraud will be taken down.

I'm with you on his being a clown who drew too much attention. But I don't think he's half as savagely mercenary as the nasty rich pieces of work I know who really game the system. Given how much money he inherited and the fact that he was largely focused on asset that went parabolic during his public ascent, i.e. NYC RE, he should be worth much , much more if he was at all competent with things like tax avoidance. I'm still very doubtful there's something juicy to be found here.

Competence is not a word one would associate with Trump. If he were half-way competent, he wouldn't have bankrupted a casino business. I have ZERO doubts that he has committed lots of financial crimes. Easiest to prove among them, would be tax fraud.

Psst: the biggest tax cheats are very, very competent people.

Not only can many not quit Trump, they can't quit the contradiction between thinking of him as a fool and thinking of him as a uniquely maleviolent force. Pick one people!

I'm not sure what points you're trying to make.

That Trump is not the biggest tax evader? That's likely true. Doesn't mean that he is not a tax evader of some large scale, either.

And you don't know hateful idiots? I do. Hell, half the people that participated in the insurrection on January 6th fall into that category. As does their Dear Leader.

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Anonymous wrote:The drip drip drip means this is a nothing burger. If they had him nailed they would have leaked the whopper already. We're all being played for clicks and eyeballs. Fake hysteria.

Supreme Court is just trying to generate ratings for the MSM!

Ah yes the nation is all on the edge of their seats for SC inside baseball.

Look, I wish it was the whopper, but it's not. It's obvious nothing is going to happen or it would have leaked already. The worst thing is it will expose him as less affluent than he claims. Who cares.