Deal is tremendously overcrowded - something is to give

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. 4 would be all you need to do.

True. But that process takes a year, best case scenario. And doing 1-3 first / simultaneously blunts predictable arguments from those people will be angry over how their house winds up as a result of #4.

Every municipality redraws the boundaries frequently, and deals with the whining. Too bad DC officials, you need to act like adults once in a while. Boundaries are an easy fix, it's just simple math.

People cry. SO what. The upset are all going to move....where, next to the new Amazon buildings? That shouldn't be expensive. Montgomery County? Expensive, and they may redraw the boundaries when you get there.

[Anonymous]

If people don’t like their new inbounds school, they are not going to just suck it up as you suggest. They will go to one of the many charter schools that are reproducing like bunnies to meet their growing demand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

Well, aren’t these two posts just the perfect encapsulation of racist DCUM bullshit?

I mean, why wouldn’t we just uproot established schools that primarily serve black students because we have the sads that Deal has trailers again?

Do you all hear yourselves? It’s shameful.

Tony Williams had the right idea. Move UDC to a location that is closer to more of its students, one that actually has the feel of an ivy campus, the St Elizabeth's site. Unlock the economic potential of the Van Ness site, and use the money to improve both the campus and programs of UDC.

But no, the so-called guardians of UDC wanted to cling to their Brutalist bunker along Connecticut, because having Ward 3 real estate was somehow making a statement or "prestigious" in their minds It's the same for Duke Ellington, which is not in a very central or transit-accessible location for the vast majority of its students (including the ones who really live in Maryland. )

I don't know who you think goes to school at UDC, but I taught a class there last week and at least from what I could see that day, far more than half of students are international. It is not at all some refuge for Ward 7/8 students.

They probably aren’t living in Spring Valley! In any event, Mayor Williams’ administration certainly looked at commuting data for the students, regardless of their national origin.

The point is that UDC is not optimally located on Van Ness. Instead the site could better serve as a location for badly needed school facilities in Ward 3, with some of the site developed near the Metro which would help to pay for the whole thing.

UDC was juuust renovated. What on earth are you people suggesting? That they tear down a newly renovated building and build something else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

Well, aren’t these two posts just the perfect encapsulation of racist DCUM bullshit?

I mean, why wouldn’t we just uproot established schools that primarily serve black students because we have the sads that Deal has trailers again?

Do you all hear yourselves? It’s shameful.

Tony Williams had the right idea. Move UDC to a location that is closer to more of its students, one that actually has the feel of an ivy campus, the St Elizabeth's site. Unlock the economic potential of the Van Ness site, and use the money to improve both the campus and programs of UDC.

But no, the so-called guardians of UDC wanted to cling to their Brutalist bunker along Connecticut, because having Ward 3 real estate was somehow making a statement or "prestigious" in their minds It's the same for Duke Ellington, which is not in a very central or transit-accessible location for the vast majority of its students (including the ones who really live in Maryland. )

I don't know who you think goes to school at UDC, but I taught a class there last week and at least from what I could see that day, far more than half of students are international. It is not at all some refuge for Ward 7/8 students.

They probably aren’t living in Spring Valley! In any event, Mayor Williams’ administration certainly looked at commuting data for the students, regardless of their national origin.

The point is that UDC is not optimally located on Van Ness. Instead the site could better serve as a location for badly needed school facilities in Ward 3, with some of the site developed near the Metro which would help to pay for the whole thing.

UDC was juuust renovated. What on earth are you people suggesting? That they tear down a newly renovated building and build something else?

It wasn't "just renovated." They added a student center that is a complete ghost town at all hours, just like the rest of that desolate Brutalist nightmare they call a campus. It's a ridiculous use of the space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

The problem is then DCPS would have to come up with a number for what the actual capacities of Deal and Wilson are in order to determine how many OOB kids to let in. If you've followed the school crowding working group at all, one of the issues is that DCPS has no methodology for establishing capacity of schools, and really doesn't want to. There's no reason to believe they would set the capacities any lower that whatever they need to let all of the feeder kids continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

The problem is then DCPS would have to come up with a number for what the actual capacities of Deal and Wilson are in order to determine how many OOB kids to let in. If you've followed the school crowding working group at all, one of the issues is that DCPS has no methodology for establishing capacity of schools, and really doesn't want to. There's no reason to believe they would set the capacities any lower that whatever they need to let all of the feeder kids continue.

Don’t forget that a lot of the OOB at Deal and Wilson are OOB students who continue from zoned elementary schools and under DCPS logic are then called ‘feeder’ students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

The problem is then DCPS would have to come up with a number for what the actual capacities of Deal and Wilson are in order to determine how many OOB kids to let in. If you've followed the school crowding working group at all, one of the issues is that DCPS has no methodology for establishing capacity of schools, and really doesn't want to. There's no reason to believe they would set the capacities any lower that whatever they need to let all of the feeder kids continue.

Don’t forget that a lot of the OOB at Deal and Wilson are OOB students who continue from zoned elementary schools and under DCPS logic are then called ‘feeder’ students.

A lot? Try all. Neither Deal nor Wilson has admitted kids through the lottery in years. DCPS doesn't know what the capacity of the schools is, but they know it's not more than what they have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

The problem is then DCPS would have to come up with a number for what the actual capacities of Deal and Wilson are in order to determine how many OOB kids to let in. If you've followed the school crowding working group at all, one of the issues is that DCPS has no methodology for establishing capacity of schools, and really doesn't want to. There's no reason to believe they would set the capacities any lower that whatever they need to let all of the feeder kids continue.

Don’t forget that a lot of the OOB at Deal and Wilson are OOB students who continue from zoned elementary schools and under DCPS logic are then called ‘feeder’ students.

A lot? Try all. Neither Deal nor Wilson has admitted kids through the lottery in years. DCPS doesn't know what the capacity of the schools is, but they know it's not more than what they have.

But the problem is that elementary feeder schools still take lottery kids despite being over capacity. That’s kakakookoo. And then they do to Deal and Wilson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

The problem is then DCPS would have to come up with a number for what the actual capacities of Deal and Wilson are in order to determine how many OOB kids to let in. If you've followed the school crowding working group at all, one of the issues is that DCPS has no methodology for establishing capacity of schools, and really doesn't want to. There's no reason to believe they would set the capacities any lower that whatever they need to let all of the feeder kids continue.

Don’t forget that a lot of the OOB at Deal and Wilson are OOB students who continue from zoned elementary schools and under DCPS logic are then called ‘feeder’ students.

A lot? Try all. Neither Deal nor Wilson has admitted kids through the lottery in years. DCPS doesn't know what the capacity of the schools is, but they know it's not more than what they have.

But the problem is that elementary feeder schools still take lottery kids despite being over capacity. That’s kakakookoo. And then they do to Deal and Wilson.

That's why people are talking about limiting OOB feeder rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

The problem is then DCPS would have to come up with a number for what the actual capacities of Deal and Wilson are in order to determine how many OOB kids to let in. If you've followed the school crowding working group at all, one of the issues is that DCPS has no methodology for establishing capacity of schools, and really doesn't want to. There's no reason to believe they would set the capacities any lower that whatever they need to let all of the feeder kids continue.

Don’t forget that a lot of the OOB at Deal and Wilson are OOB students who continue from zoned elementary schools and under DCPS logic are then called ‘feeder’ students.

A lot? Try all. Neither Deal nor Wilson has admitted kids through the lottery in years. DCPS doesn't know what the capacity of the schools is, but they know it's not more than what they have.

But the problem is that elementary feeder schools still take lottery kids despite being over capacity. That’s kakakookoo. And then they do to Deal and Wilson.

That's why people are talking about limiting OOB feeder rights.

The only people talking about that is white people who love DC except for all the black people who forgot to move out when the city changed. As long as the power dynamic still lets ward 8 pick the mayor, OOB rights aren’t going anywhere. Wilson/deal is a city school not ward 3, they need more NE & SE kids while the other wards need more ward 3 kids. Bottom line

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

The problem is then DCPS would have to come up with a number for what the actual capacities of Deal and Wilson are in order to determine how many OOB kids to let in. If you've followed the school crowding working group at all, one of the issues is that DCPS has no methodology for establishing capacity of schools, and really doesn't want to. There's no reason to believe they would set the capacities any lower that whatever they need to let all of the feeder kids continue.

Don’t forget that a lot of the OOB at Deal and Wilson are OOB students who continue from zoned elementary schools and under DCPS logic are then called ‘feeder’ students.

A lot? Try all. Neither Deal nor Wilson has admitted kids through the lottery in years. DCPS doesn't know what the capacity of the schools is, but they know it's not more than what they have.

Deal took 2 last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t like their new inbounds school, they are not going to just suck it up as you suggest. They will go to one of the many charter schools that are reproducing like bunnies to meet their growing demand.

The charter board just closed schools. There are few new ones opening -- it has slowed to a trickle.

DCPS, on the other hand, has opened Ron Brown high school in the last 3 years, is opening Bard College High School next fall, is opening a new middle school College and launching (yet another) early college application school within Coolidge, and will be doubling the capacity of Banneker. At the other end of the continuum, they've tried to boost enrollment in struggling elementary schools through the early action PK program.

And they continue to take OOB at Wilson feeder schools so as not to fall the charter sector in the total number of students served metric (including at Lafayette, Janney, Murch, Eaton, Hardy).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t like their new inbounds school, they are not going to just suck it up as you suggest. They will go to one of the many charter schools that are reproducing like bunnies to meet their growing demand.

The charter board just closed schools. There are few new ones opening -- it has slowed to a trickle.

DCPS, on the other hand, has opened Ron Brown high school in the last 3 years, is opening Bard College High School next fall, is opening a new middle school College and launching (yet another) early college application school within Coolidge, and will be doubling the capacity of Banneker. At the other end of the continuum, they've tried to boost enrollment in struggling elementary schools through the early action PK program.

And they continue to take OOB at Wilson feeder schools so as not to fall the charter sector in the total number of students served metric (including at Lafayette, Janney, Murch, Eaton, Hardy).

Here is what has been happening with enrollment over the past ten years:
DCPS Total
SY 2007-08 49,422
SY 2017-18 47,982
Change (1,440)
Percent Change -3%

Charter Schools
SY 2007-08 19,733
SY 2017-18 43,340
Change 23,607
Percent Change 120%

Total Public
SY 2007-08 69,155
SY 2017-18 91,322
Change 22,167
Percent Change 32%


Wilson and its Feeders
SY 2007-08 6,851
SY 2017-18 9,770
Change 2,919
Percent Change 43%

DCPS Without Wilson Feeders
SY 2007-08 42,571
SY 2017-18 38,212
Change (4,359)
Percent Change -10%


The DME is predicting 25% growth in the number of students city-wide in the next ten years. DCPS is not planning on expanding capacity. The Charter School Board voted to approve eight new schools with a combined capacity of over 4,000 students at its last meeting. Where are those 25,000 students going to go? In the last decade all of the growth was absorbed by Wilson and its feeders. That can't happen again without a huge investment in new capacity. The charters are planning for expansion, DCPS isn't.

[Anonymous]

So - most of the growth in public’s school enrollment in DC is due to the charter sector, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t like their new inbounds school, they are not going to just suck it up as you suggest. They will go to one of the many charter schools that are reproducing like bunnies to meet their growing demand.

The charter board just closed schools. There are few new ones opening -- it has slowed to a trickle.

DCPS, on the other hand, has opened Ron Brown high school in the last 3 years, is opening Bard College High School next fall, is opening a new middle school College and launching (yet another) early college application school within Coolidge, and will be doubling the capacity of Banneker. At the other end of the continuum, they've tried to boost enrollment in struggling elementary schools through the early action PK program.

And they continue to take OOB at Wilson feeder schools so as not to fall the charter sector in the total number of students served metric (including at Lafayette, Janney, Murch, Eaton, Hardy).

Here is what has been happening with enrollment over the past ten years:
DCPS Total
SY 2007-08 49,422
SY 2017-18 47,982
Change (1,440)
Percent Change -3%

Charter Schools
SY 2007-08 19,733
SY 2017-18 43,340
Change 23,607
Percent Change 120%

Total Public
SY 2007-08 69,155
SY 2017-18 91,322
Change 22,167
Percent Change 32%


Wilson and its Feeders
SY 2007-08 6,851
SY 2017-18 9,770
Change 2,919
Percent Change 43%

DCPS Without Wilson Feeders
SY 2007-08 42,571
SY 2017-18 38,212
Change (4,359)
Percent Change -10%


The DME is predicting 25% growth in the number of students city-wide in the next ten years. DCPS is not planning on expanding capacity. The Charter School Board voted to approve eight new schools with a combined capacity of over 4,000 students at its last meeting. Where are those 25,000 students going to go? In the last decade all of the growth was absorbed by Wilson and its feeders. That can't happen again without a huge investment in new capacity. The charters are planning for expansion, DCPS isn't.

Doesn’t DCPS have schools that have capacity right now? What are projections for those schools?