RM Cluster Overcrowding?

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Anonymous wrote:RM is rated as 56 percentile in MD report card despite having IB magnet. With all this over crowding, people are better off with some other schools. Even city wants to make situation worse.

yes, and it also has about a 20% FARMs rate. I'd like to see a W school have a 20% FARMS rate and see if they get a 80 percentile rating. Funny how even though it's so horrible so many people keep moving in to the area.

Nothing funny about people moving to area. It's about families serious about education are moving here or simply lots of families are moving here. Evidence seems to indicate later situation.

If other schools with worse FARMs rate are doing better than RM despite not hosting a magnet then it tells a lot about RM. I don't think most area around RM is cheap, but performance of RM is very poor.

So why do people keep buying in the area? Why are small starter homes over 500k? Just because of Metro and walkability?

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Anonymous wrote:RM is rated as 56 percentile in MD report card despite having IB magnet. With all this over crowding, people are better off with some other schools. Even city wants to make situation worse.

yes, and it also has about a 20% FARMs rate. I'd like to see a W school have a 20% FARMS rate and see if they get a 80 percentile rating. Funny how even though it's so horrible so many people keep moving in to the area.

Quince Orchard - FARMs is 21 % --- Rated at 61 percentile
Rockville High - FARMs 31% --- Rated at 63 percentile

RM with IB magnet with 20% FARMs is rated at 56 percentile --- It's really a shameful standing in entire state. FARMs is not the reason here.

You can even compare with BLAIR with 36% FARMS( drastically higher than RM) and still BLAIR is higher percentile than RM.

It's really a poor high school otherwise it shouldn't stand at 56 percentile in state despite having magnet.

It's really poor showing from RM. Non-magnets schools with higher FARMs are doing better. Now city wants to put 500-600 extra students in high school without having space there. People should run away from RM.

Yet they keep moving to RM and the council wants to build a bunch of buildings that no one will want to live in due to bad schools. Proof positive they should build more high rises.

People move to 10 percentile school as well. People moving to any school district has no relationship to how well the school is run. Right now with 120% capacity limit we will have 400 extra students. City wanting to add more students is pure insanity. School is already poorly run as shown by MD report card. Add more kids without seats will make it worse.

So you must be for the widening of 270 right? They’re going to need to knock down a bunch of houses for it, especially townhouses right against the freeway. For some reason people on my listserv are both against tearing down those houses to widen the beltway and also against allowing additional housing. People just want everything static.

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Anonymous wrote:I know someone doing it for RM now. Nice family. Used to live in Grandma's house, but bought something upcounty. I don't know why they don't go to the school closer to home. I didn't know they have moved until my DC told me. "Oh, his grandma still lives there, so that's why."

This. We know of two families that are doing this (attending a school out of bounds). One girl used her aunt’s address, who does live in a condo. And one uses a King Farm address to attend RM, though he actually lives elsewhere.

In both of those cases, the generation rate would be an OVERestimate for housing in the RM cluster, not an UNDERestimate. The girl is counted as living in her aunt's condo even though she doesn't. The boy is counted as living in King Farm (in whatever type of housing) even though he doesn't.

I realize that. Someone made a point that MCPS has certain projections about how many kids live in condos. I was just pointing out that those projections may not always be useful. It’s likely that more kids will end up coming from those housing units than MCPS is projecting.

No, that's the point. If anything, it's likely that FEWER kids will end up coming from those housing units than MCPS is projecting. MCPS counts them as living there, even though they don't live there, because that's their address of record for MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:RM is rated as 56 percentile in MD report card despite having IB magnet. With all this over crowding, people are better off with some other schools. Even city wants to make situation worse.

yes, and it also has about a 20% FARMs rate. I'd like to see a W school have a 20% FARMS rate and see if they get a 80 percentile rating. Funny how even though it's so horrible so many people keep moving in to the area.

Nothing funny about people moving to area. It's about families serious about education are moving here or simply lots of families are moving here. Evidence seems to indicate later situation.

If other schools with worse FARMs rate are doing better than RM despite not hosting a magnet then it tells a lot about RM. I don't think most area around RM is cheap, but performance of RM is very poor.

So why do people keep buying in the area? Why are small starter homes over 500k? Just because of Metro and walkability?

Metro Walk-ability and previous better performance by RM.

One factor may disappear with time, but other two factors will remain. some DCC schools area are also close to metro and walk-able, but house prices are lower due to poor reputation of schools. It seems RM is headed in that direction.

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Anonymous wrote:RM is rated as 56 percentile in MD report card despite having IB magnet. With all this over crowding, people are better off with some other schools. Even city wants to make situation worse.

yes, and it also has about a 20% FARMs rate. I'd like to see a W school have a 20% FARMS rate and see if they get a 80 percentile rating. Funny how even though it's so horrible so many people keep moving in to the area.

Quince Orchard - FARMs is 21 % --- Rated at 61 percentile
Rockville High - FARMs 31% --- Rated at 63 percentile

RM with IB magnet with 20% FARMs is rated at 56 percentile --- It's really a shameful standing in entire state. FARMs is not the reason here.

You can even compare with BLAIR with 36% FARMS( drastically higher than RM) and still BLAIR is higher percentile than RM.

It's really a poor high school otherwise it shouldn't stand at 56 percentile in state despite having magnet.

It's really poor showing from RM. Non-magnets schools with higher FARMs are doing better. Now city wants to put 500-600 extra students in high school without having space there. People should run away from RM.

Yet they keep moving to RM and the council wants to build a bunch of buildings that no one will want to live in due to bad schools. Proof positive they should build more high rises.

People move to 10 percentile school as well. People moving to any school district has no relationship to how well the school is run. Right now with 120% capacity limit we will have 400 extra students. City wanting to add more students is pure insanity. School is already poorly run as shown by MD report card. Add more kids without seats will make it worse.

So you must be for the widening of 270 right? They’re going to need to knock down a bunch of houses for it, especially townhouses right against the freeway. For some reason people on my listserv are both against tearing down those houses to widen the beltway and also against allowing additional housing. People just want everything static.

Are you all right? You are comparing additional housing coming after RM already is at 120% with reduction of some housing by demolishing them? I don't even know what to say here.

I personally don't have any opinion on widening of 270.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's nearly impossible *not* to be FARMS in this area if you have more than one child. Ridiculously expensive.

FARMs eligibility is based on household income, not how much of your household income you have left over after you have spent it.

For a household of 4 people (which could be 1 adult/3 children or 2 adults/2 children or 3 adults/1 child), the maximum annual household income for FARMs eligibility is $46,435.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/05/08/2018-09679/child-nutrition-programs-income-eligibility-guidelines

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People move to 10 percentile school as well. People moving to any school district has no relationship to how well the school is run. Right now with 120% capacity limit we will have 400 extra students. City wanting to add more students is pure insanity. School is already poorly run as shown by MD report card. Add more kids without seats will make it worse.

Are you just doing math here? I.e., the capacity of Richard Montgomery HS is 2,236, and 20% of 2,236 is 447.2? When does MCPS project that the enrollment at Richard Montgomery HS will be 2,683.2?

To get 447.2 high school students at RM coming from new housing at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook, there would have to be 11,768 new units.

[Anonymous]

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People move to 10 percentile school as well. People moving to any school district has no relationship to how well the school is run. Right now with 120% capacity limit we will have 400 extra students. City wanting to add more students is pure insanity. School is already poorly run as shown by MD report card. Add more kids without seats will make it worse.

Are you just doing math here? I.e., the capacity of Richard Montgomery HS is 2,236, and 20% of 2,236 is 447.2? When does MCPS project that the enrollment at Richard Montgomery HS will be 2,683.2?

To get 447.2 high school students at RM coming from new housing at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook, there would have to be 11,768 new units.

^^^or for more fun with math:

50% of 2,236 is 1,118 students. For that, there would have to be 29,421 new units. The Alaire at Twinbrook has 279 units, so 105.5 new Alaires. Do you think that will happen before Crown HS gets built? I don't.

[Anonymous]

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People move to 10 percentile school as well. People moving to any school district has no relationship to how well the school is run. Right now with 120% capacity limit we will have 400 extra students. City wanting to add more students is pure insanity. School is already poorly run as shown by MD report card. Add more kids without seats will make it worse.

Are you just doing math here? I.e., the capacity of Richard Montgomery HS is 2,236, and 20% of 2,236 is 447.2? When does MCPS project that the enrollment at Richard Montgomery HS will be 2,683.2?

To get 447.2 high school students at RM coming from new housing at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook, there would have to be 11,768 new units.

I was just doing rough math with 2K number. City wants to increase moratorium from 120% so you don't have to look anywhere. City won't be debating about this unless 120% is being reached within 5 years. That's when moratorium kicks in.

Anyway, I saw the projected number in CIP.

To be precise - RM capacity is listed at 2218. In 2023-2024, MCPS is projecting 2681 students. 120% of capacity is 2661.

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http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP20_Chap4_RM.pdf

Even JW is projected to cross 100%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

People move to 10 percentile school as well. People moving to any school district has no relationship to how well the school is run. Right now with 120% capacity limit we will have 400 extra students. City wanting to add more students is pure insanity. School is already poorly run as shown by MD report card. Add more kids without seats will make it worse.

Are you just doing math here? I.e., the capacity of Richard Montgomery HS is 2,236, and 20% of 2,236 is 447.2? When does MCPS project that the enrollment at Richard Montgomery HS will be 2,683.2?

To get 447.2 high school students at RM coming from new housing at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook, there would have to be 11,768 new units.

I was just doing rough math with 2K number. City wants to increase moratorium from 120% so you don't have to look anywhere. City won't be debating about this unless 120% is being reached within 5 years. That's when moratorium kicks in.

Anyway, I saw the projected number in CIP.

To be precise - RM capacity is listed at 2218. In 2023-2024, MCPS is projecting 2681 students. 120% of capacity is 2661.

Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

People move to 10 percentile school as well. People moving to any school district has no relationship to how well the school is run. Right now with 120% capacity limit we will have 400 extra students. City wanting to add more students is pure insanity. School is already poorly run as shown by MD report card. Add more kids without seats will make it worse.

Are you just doing math here? I.e., the capacity of Richard Montgomery HS is 2,236, and 20% of 2,236 is 447.2? When does MCPS project that the enrollment at Richard Montgomery HS will be 2,683.2?

To get 447.2 high school students at RM coming from new housing at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook, there would have to be 11,768 new units.

^^^or for more fun with math:

50% of 2,236 is 1,118 students. For that, there would have to be 29,421 new units. The Alaire at Twinbrook has 279 units, so 105.5 new Alaires. Do you think that will happen before Crown HS gets built? I don't.

There is no need to think. It's MCPS projection that RM will cross 120% within 5 years and that's why moratorium kicks in. Crown is not coming within 5 years.

[Anonymous]

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

[Anonymous]

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

That is tough to enforce. But it certainly doesn’t make sense to build MORE high density housing units that feed into an already overcrowded school system.

[Anonymous]

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

That is tough to enforce. But it certainly doesn’t make sense to build MORE high density housing units that feed into an already overcrowded school system.

It would be very easy to enforce. No residential property sales within the RM boundaries (except for 55+ housing) until a Crown HS opening is in the 5-year CIP.