School residency cheaters investigated

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Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

I play the cards dealt. The racist vigilante stalking my kids outside their school dealt first.

Again - if there's anyone who can post pictures of these lowlifes that I can share with my kid's school, I'll be most grateful. We're longtime DC residents and taxpayers, but I'll be damned if I will accept this kind of harassment. It is far more egregious to me than people trying to do what's best for their kids - all the nonsense about "concerned and involved parents" is obviously a bucket of donkey shit.

Are all dc residents this angry and against stopping fraud?

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I regularly see Maryland cars at drop off and pickup outside Hearst in NW DC.

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Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

I play the cards dealt. The racist vigilante stalking my kids outside their school dealt first.

Again - if there's anyone who can post pictures of these lowlifes that I can share with my kid's school, I'll be most grateful. We're longtime DC residents and taxpayers, but I'll be damned if I will accept this kind of harassment. It is far more egregious to me than people trying to do what's best for their kids - all the nonsense about "concerned and involved parents" is obviously a bucket of donkey shit.

They were looking at MD plates. When you have a predominately black population, chances are black people are going to get caught up in the MD plate net that was cast. And when people are talking about the "ancestral" home of the grandparents/legacies, my guess is that they are not talking about white new comers.

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Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

OMG. Stop with the racial stuff. Over 80% of DCPS students are "brown kids." Around 80% of chart schools students are "brown kids." Of course there will be brown kids caught up in this because they are the vast majority of students who are in public and charter schools in DC. It isn't targeting them specifically, it is targeting cheaters in a system where the vast majority of kids ARE brown.

Plus you are factually wrong in your assessment that you have a hard time registering your child. A car registration AND driver's license are proof -- you said you had both. If you want to go the easy route a pay stub is the only piece you need -- you said you had that too. Stop making excuses for the cheaters. SIL randomly picking up your kid isn't what this is even about and you know it. Some fucking kook stalking people engaged in illegal activity in plain public sight is exactly what I want to happen. Make it uncomfortable for them. Call them out on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

This is so true.

If this person was staking pictures outside of janney, people would be in a fucking rage.

[Anonymous]

anyone is entitled to take pictures in a public place . get over it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically remove the rental agreements and utility bills from the list. Really, all that should be required is either the military form, government assistance, or "copy of Form D40 certified by the DC Office of Tax and Revenue"

http://osse.dc.gov/node/887022

One of the following items is accepted to establish DC residency:

A pay stub;
Supplemental Security Income annual benefits notification;
A copy of Form D40 certified by the DC Office of Tax and Revenue;
Military Housing Order;
An embassy letter;
Proof that a child is a ward of the District of Columbia, in the form of a Court Order; and
Proof of financial assistance from the DC Government, in the form of either a:
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) verification of income notice or recertification approval letter;
Medicaid approval letter or recertification letter;
Housing assistance letter from a housing shelter, including contact name and phone number or a letter from the Housing Authority; or
Proof of receipt of financial assistance from another DC Government program.
If none of the above items are available to verify residency, two of the following items are required:

Unexpired DC motor vehicle registration;
Unexpired lease or rental agreement;
Unexpired DC motor vehicle operator's permit or other official non-driver identification; and
One utility bill (only gas, electric and water bills acceptable).

It appears that undocumented immigrants could still get government benefits and verify their income, right? "Sixteen states and the District of Columbia also provide some health coverage to select groups of nonqualified immigrants using state-only funding."
https://aspe.hhs.gov/basic-report/overview-immigrants-eligibility-snap-tanf-medicaid-and-chip

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One of the forms of proof is a paystub which shows D.C. taxes being taken out. I think the majority of the uproar is about people who buy big mansions in MD, expensive cars, have an income, and yet take advantage of the D.C. public school system. Those who are FARMS, assuming your family includes 6 children or less with an income of 33k or less (http://www.fns.usda.gov/school-meals/income-eligibility-guidelines). Anyone making 34k or more should submit a paystub or proof of owning their own business. If they do not have proof of income because they are not paying taxes, working side jobs, etc., then they should apply for FARMS. If there is FARMS/Tax fraud, then that is on them if they are willing to go to such extremes. The paystub will get a big swath of out of city people who use D.C. because it is convenient on their way to work.

I don't know about all federal government agencies, but DoD refuses to put your home address on your pay stubs.

Not the address, just the part that shows income tax is being paid to D.C. If you reside in D.C., you have to pay income tax.

For any employer than has a self-service HR system it is beyond easy to go into it, change your address for a couple pay periods to one in the District. For those two pay periods you will have paid taxes to DC withheld, but then as soon as you've registered your child, you can switch it back.

Pay stubs can be just as easy to fake if you are motivated as anything else.

Federal pay stubs do not have home address on them. The federal government made an expensive and concerted effort to make all payments direct deposit about 10 years ago. I can tell you from experience that you cannot prove residency with federal pay stubs or W-2 forms.

I am looking at my federal paystub and there is a line that says "DC Withholding"

I'm looking at my federal pay stub and IT DOES NOT HAVE MY ADDRESS.

A problem if you are trying to prove boundary schools. Not a problem for D.C. charter schools. Sometimes mortgage companies require HRs to submit letters of proof. Maybe it needs to get that crazy.

I can't decide if I'm happy or sorry to prove you wrong, but my kid's D.C. charter school requires the exact same documentation as DCPS. Three years in row now. They were not in any way lenient about the documentation required, and insisted on in-person registration of the parent whose documentation could be confirmed, even with our documented volunteer hours and $1500+ donation through CFC.

And our very provable residency in the city of Washington, DC. No leniency whatsoever.

I don't have a problem proving that residency. I have a problem with people thinking it's okay to stalk children to prove residency because his brown skin prompts suspicion.

You people who approve of these tactics are despicable and un-American.

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Anonymous wrote:anyone is entitled to take pictures in a public place . get over it

Reminds me of the VA case of the guy posting pictures of under women's skirts at the Lincoln Memorial. https://news.vice.com/article/court-ruling-makes-taking-pictures-up-womens-skirts-legal-in-texas

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I play the cards dealt. The racist vigilante stalking my kids outside their school dealt first.

Again - if there's anyone who can post pictures of these lowlifes that I can share with my kid's school, I'll be most grateful. We're longtime DC residents and taxpayers, but I'll be damned if I will accept this kind of harassment. It is far more egregious to me than people trying to do what's best for their kids - all the nonsense about "concerned and involved parents" is obviously a bucket of donkey shit.

Quit pretending like the residency cheaters are "trying to do what's best for their kids." They are just trying to bilk services. The shoddy example they are setting is hardly "good" for their children.

[Anonymous]

I suspect a lot of the so-called "residency cheaters" are actually "car-registration cheaters."

Not that that's a good thing, but it's certainly outside the purview of DCPS.

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One of the forms of proof is a paystub which shows D.C. taxes being taken out. I think the majority of the uproar is about people who buy big mansions in MD, expensive cars, have an income, and yet take advantage of the D.C. public school system. Those who are FARMS, assuming your family includes 6 children or less with an income of 33k or less (http://www.fns.usda.gov/school-meals/income-eligibility-guidelines). Anyone making 34k or more should submit a paystub or proof of owning their own business. If they do not have proof of income because they are not paying taxes, working side jobs, etc., then they should apply for FARMS. If there is FARMS/Tax fraud, then that is on them if they are willing to go to such extremes. The paystub will get a big swath of out of city people who use D.C. because it is convenient on their way to work.

I don't know about all federal government agencies, but DoD refuses to put your home address on your pay stubs.

Not the address, just the part that shows income tax is being paid to D.C. If you reside in D.C., you have to pay income tax.

For any employer than has a self-service HR system it is beyond easy to go into it, change your address for a couple pay periods to one in the District. For those two pay periods you will have paid taxes to DC withheld, but then as soon as you've registered your child, you can switch it back.

Pay stubs can be just as easy to fake if you are motivated as anything else.

Federal pay stubs do not have home address on them. The federal government made an expensive and concerted effort to make all payments direct deposit about 10 years ago. I can tell you from experience that you cannot prove residency with federal pay stubs or W-2 forms.

I am looking at my federal paystub and there is a line that says "DC Withholding"

I'm looking at my federal pay stub and IT DOES NOT HAVE MY ADDRESS.

A problem if you are trying to prove boundary schools. Not a problem for D.C. charter schools. Sometimes mortgage companies require HRs to submit letters of proof. Maybe it needs to get that crazy.

I can't decide if I'm happy or sorry to prove you wrong, but my kid's D.C. charter school requires the exact same documentation as DCPS. Three years in row now. They were not in any way lenient about the documentation required, and insisted on in-person registration of the parent whose documentation could be confirmed, even with our documented volunteer hours and $1500+ donation through CFC.

And our very provable residency in the city of Washington, DC. No leniency whatsoever.

I don't have a problem proving that residency. I have a problem with people thinking it's okay to stalk children to prove residency because his brown skin prompts suspicion.

You people who approve of these tactics are despicable and un-American.

All the kids at KIPP are brown and they stalked them, too. How does that fit your narrative?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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One of the forms of proof is a paystub which shows D.C. taxes being taken out. I think the majority of the uproar is about people who buy big mansions in MD, expensive cars, have an income, and yet take advantage of the D.C. public school system. Those who are FARMS, assuming your family includes 6 children or less with an income of 33k or less (http://www.fns.usda.gov/school-meals/income-eligibility-guidelines). Anyone making 34k or more should submit a paystub or proof of owning their own business. If they do not have proof of income because they are not paying taxes, working side jobs, etc., then they should apply for FARMS. If there is FARMS/Tax fraud, then that is on them if they are willing to go to such extremes. The paystub will get a big swath of out of city people who use D.C. because it is convenient on their way to work.

I don't know about all federal government agencies, but DoD refuses to put your home address on your pay stubs.

Not the address, just the part that shows income tax is being paid to D.C. If you reside in D.C., you have to pay income tax.

For any employer than has a self-service HR system it is beyond easy to go into it, change your address for a couple pay periods to one in the District. For those two pay periods you will have paid taxes to DC withheld, but then as soon as you've registered your child, you can switch it back.

Pay stubs can be just as easy to fake if you are motivated as anything else.

Federal pay stubs do not have home address on them. The federal government made an expensive and concerted effort to make all payments direct deposit about 10 years ago. I can tell you from experience that you cannot prove residency with federal pay stubs or W-2 forms.

I am looking at my federal paystub and there is a line that says "DC Withholding"

I'm looking at my federal pay stub and IT DOES NOT HAVE MY ADDRESS.

My spouse works at DOD and has a pay stub mailed to our house, with our address on it. I don't think my agency allows that, but DOD apparently does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

OMG. Stop with the racial stuff. Over 80% of DCPS students are "brown kids." Around 80% of chart schools students are "brown kids." Of course there will be brown kids caught up in this because they are the vast majority of students who are in public and charter schools in DC. It isn't targeting them specifically, it is targeting cheaters in a system where the vast majority of kids ARE brown.

Plus you are factually wrong in your assessment that you have a hard time registering your child. A car registration AND driver's license are proof -- you said you had both. If you want to go the easy route a pay stub is the only piece you need -- you said you had that too. Stop making excuses for the cheaters. SIL randomly picking up your kid isn't what this is even about and you know it. Some fucking kook stalking people engaged in illegal activity in plain public sight is exactly what I want to happen. Make it uncomfortable for them. Call them out on it.

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I would be SO HAPPY to stop with the racial stuff if I didn't have a constant stream of evidence that that my black child is unwelcome in the community that we chose to call home. It was evident a couple of decades before he was even born, but his over-educated parents thought this sort of bigotry would be smoothed over before he reached school age.

Just suck for a minute on the idea that you would put your kid in a school where the teachers and administration consider your child a liability before he's even learned the alphabet, and living in a community that shares the feeling your child is a hindrance to that objective. Before he's even opened his mouth or tried to befriend your much more highly-valued child.

Can you imagine for a second what it's like to LIVE IN A COMMUNITY that decides your child is a failure before he/she has even had a chance to try?

You're not going to hear from UMC minority families who protect their kids from this rampant bigotry, because they don't have time to spend on the disgusting white riff raff who think child stalking is de rigueur. That's why the black PG county canard is somewhat amusing - most of the moneyed black people who live there couldn't be paid to put their kids in DC public schools.

But I will say that if you approve of this kind of racism and its low-brow tactics then you deserve all the ridicule and shame that you get. You are completely full of shit and I can't scrape up any sympathy for whatever situation that's causing your whining. There are a lot of places in the U.S. where you can live without seeing or hearing from people who are black, hispanic and/or poor.

Boo fucking hoo if you haven't been able to find one but you'd be doing the rest of us a favor if you could.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at my federal pay stub and[b] IT DOES NOT HAVE MY ADDRESS.

My spouse works at DOD and has a pay stub mailed to our house, with our address on it. I don't think my agency allows that, but DOD apparently does.

So what? I don't understand why you're fighting about this. The bottom line is that DCPS has specific requirements for proof of residency. If your employer does not list your address, then a pay stub is not an option for you. There are several other options, such as a driver's license, a rental agreement, or a utility bill. If you want to send your child to DCPS, you need to prove DC residency. It's not complicated.