FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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My 2 Cents-
Putting Crossfield Elem kids on a bus to Oakton once they are HS age is SO FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE, as tax payers we should all be very upset about it.

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Yes, for all who are worried that Westfield as a school of 2100 will not have enough class offerings…remember now the kid isn’t competing for space with 700 additional kids.

At Chantilly, it doesn’t even matter how many AP classes or special electives there are if all classes are basically filled immediately. It has been so frustrating. Freshman year the counselor screwed up DS’s schedule and gave him 8 classes. When we tried to get it fixed, every possibility that we wanted was rejected because all the classes were full.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Scenario 1 send the western edge of Crossfield to Skyview. I don’t consider the western edge to be “neighbors” with the eastern edge. They’re miles apart.

Crossfield has been a split (Oakton and South lakes) for years. If you’re going to claim all splits are bad, then you have to send them all to one of those 3 (Oakton, Skyview, or South lakes). Oakton can’t absorb more kids and keeping Crossfield there will result in another change during the next boundary review cycle; so much for the coveted stability people keep talking about. So which is it? Skyview or South lakes? Or back off on the claim that splits are inherently bad and live with it?

DP but the neighborhoods being sent to Skyview are connected, literally connected by streets, trails, and green space, to a neighborhood going to Oakton. One street in Franklin Farm is being zoned to Oakton, even. They ARE neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Yeah, shouldn’t Scenario 1 be a little lower since it sends the Franklin Farm part to Skyview?

Also what is up with the tiny triangle added to Oakton in Scenario 2?

IT DOES NOT SEND OAKTON FRANKLIN FARM KIDS TO SKYVIEW EXCEPT ONE STREET. It sends neighborhoods that are directly adjacent to Franklin Farm but not part of the HOA to Skyview. Let's talk about conspiracy theories here....

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Westfield parent but I agree that FCPS needs to put some kind of high level academic programming into the building to get kids wanting to attend. Adding academy classes doesn't help the Westfield community b/c those kids just come in for one class.

Also, its refreshing that they aren't out whining like all these other groups had/were/did. Makes me much more sympathetic to how they are getting d!cked over here by FCPS.

I'm a Floris/Westfield parent with one kid attending Westfield next year and the other attending Skyview. After three years there the older one has pretty much given up on getting a quality education so the bar is set pretty low.

All the more reason to put some more academic programming in at Westfield. It sounds like for whatever reason, this school has not gotten sufficient resources or attention from FCPS.

You're smoking crack if you think they are going to reduce the enrollment at Westfield by 25% (2800 to 2100) and give the school more academic resources. It will lose teachers and it will have to fight to retain some of its current electives. There's a fixed pot of money and now some of that money will be going to Skyview instead, and that could be an expensive start-up given the types of electives they want to offer there.

The complaints around Westfield seem to relate to the commutes (being addressed), the demographics (although WHS mirrors the HS demographics in FCPS now fairly closely) and the senior leadership. They should revisit the demographic impact of the boundary changes they are now considering, and they can and should make sure it has a better administrative team than it's had for past decade or so.

But why should the kids in boundary for Westfield suffer or be given less access? If the SB is willing to finish this process without adequately addressing utilization rates, including demographics, which was the whole point of this, they should be willing to ensure all FCPS students have equal access to programming.

Those are different concepts.

Utilization: They could establish a clear range and say that every high school within the scope of the Skyview boundary study should end up above 85% utilization and below 105% utilization. That would have been reasonable, but they haven't done that. The failure to do so strikes many of us as a serious flaw.

Demographics: They will tell you, presumably in part for legal reasons, that they don't consider demographics when considering boundary adjustments. They will claim they just look at the number of kids living in various SPAs (School Planning Areas). But that's kind of a hollow claim, because even if they don't consider demographics directly, they allow themselves to be heavily influenced by parents and residents who are very much influenced by demographics. Other school systems like APS and MCPS are far more transparent than FCPS has been about the impact of potential boundary changes on racial demographics and FARMS rates. That tells me that there's no legal impediment to preparing and sharing that information - which people will try to figure out on their own - so long as they don't create a paper trail that they are making decisions based on race.

Equal Access to Programming: This phrase is used in FCPS's boundary policy (Policy 8130), but no one really knows what it means. It seems to mean assurance that all kids will have access to some basic level of programming. But kids don't have equal access to programming today - TJ kids have access to STEM courses not available to other students, Langley students have access to foreign language courses that is not available to other students, etc. One thing we know for sure is that if they slash Westfield's enrollment significantly, they are not somehow going to feel obligated to "make it up" to Westfield by offering things there that weren't available there before. They have a fixed budget and some of the money that was being spent on academics at Westfield is now going to get spent at Skyview instead. Over time, they could offer something new at Westfield, but most likely it will mean something else has been or will be taken away.

Every school plans based on interest and availability. Just because it is a very large school, does not mean your child gets in the class. DD wanted to take two classes that were offered once a day: a drama class and an AP language class that was not Spanish. They were taught at the same time and so she took a different elective instead of drama. This happens across lots of disciplines.

If there is a greater demand for a language, the school is more likely to offer it. But, not always.

I would expect that all core AP classes would be offered at every school. Is this not true?
I do think that some advanced math classes are problematic at IB schools.

When I went to high school, we did not have so many options.
276 in my graduating class. One member ended up with 2 championship Super Bowl rings and another (the valedictorian) became a leading AIDS researcher as an MD. All things are possible.
By the way, this was a brand new high school. No senior class until I was a junior.

I appreciate the personal biography and am in no way suggesting students who attend smaller schools cannot succeed, but larger schools with more affluent demographics are going to be able to offer more sessions of AP/IB courses and more electives than smaller schools with higher levels of poverty.

FCPS has finite resources and there are tradeoffs. This School Board has made the decision, expressly or implicitly, that opening a new high school that will offer some students a shorter commute and interesting electives justifies removing students, teachers, and other resources away from other schools. Now we are all gradually coming to terms with the implications of that decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Scenario 1 gets Oakton down to 98% capacity. That’s the scenario that makes Crossfield even more of a split feeder than it is now.

They said they’d leave ES alone for now but it sounds like they ought to revisit this and perhaps move the small part of Crossfield they’d move to Skyview in Scenario 1 to Floris or McNair.

Are you insane? Those neighborhoods are nowhere near Floris or McNair. Maaaaaaybe Oak Hill or Fox Mill but these neighborhoods are adjacent to other Crossfield neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Scenario 1 send the western edge of Crossfield to Skyview. I don’t consider the western edge to be “neighbors” with the eastern edge. They’re miles apart.

Crossfield has been a split (Oakton and South lakes) for years. If you’re going to claim all splits are bad, then you have to send them all to one of those 3 (Oakton, Skyview, or South lakes). Oakton can’t absorb more kids and keeping Crossfield there will result in another change during the next boundary review cycle; so much for the coveted stability people keep talking about. So which is it? Skyview or South lakes? Or back off on the claim that splits are inherently bad and live with it?

I actually think it would make sense for FCPS to send all of Crossfield to a single HS, but that is not how any of the scenarios have been drawn to date, so I'm assuming that idea is off the table.

I don't understand your thinking about classmates not being "neighbors." So your ES kids don't have friends who live in other neighborhoods that are a few miles away?

Crossfield should not be split BUT if it HAD to be, it should be split by West Ox Rd. West of West Ox should go to Franklin/Oakton. East of West ox to Carson/Skyview.

100% but the head of RIO lives in Franklin Farm and has a connection at Gatehouse.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Yeah, shouldn’t Scenario 1 be a little lower since it sends the Franklin Farm part to Skyview?

Also what is up with the tiny triangle added to Oakton in Scenario 2?

IT DOES NOT SEND OAKTON FRANKLIN FARM KIDS TO SKYVIEW EXCEPT ONE STREET. It sends neighborhoods that are directly adjacent to Franklin Farm but not part of the HOA to Skyview. Let's talk about conspiracy theories here....

Just an FYI, There is a large section of Franklin Farm across the parkway that has always been at Chantilly and will be sent to Skyview. In Scenario 2, they are sending almost all to Skyview (along with the rest of Oak Hill) with the exception of one tiny area of Franklin Farm which is stays at Chantilly. Hopefully, they will adjust that and send them to Skyview, as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

There are a lot of Navy and Waples Mill AAP kids at Carson going to Oakton. Carson is currently part of the Oakton pyramid!

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Anonymous wrote:Moving academy programming doesn't help Westfield because it doesn't get them students.

They need to put in some kind of attractive academic programming that would make people want to send their kids their full time.

Perhaps they should consider aviation and artificial intelligence pathways.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This is not a thing. The houses zoned to Skyview (in the other half of FF, in Chantilly Highlands, and the surrounding neighborhoods) cost the same as if not more than your precious Crossfield homes.

You can believe what you want to believe and it should be ok for crossfield folks believe what they believe. The point is, it's understandable for them to want to get what they chose. Btw, I am not a crossfield parent. If you are not either, do not pretend you know better than them about their area.

Oh, you're a Navy mom. Your school is not guaranteed, everyone knows that, silly.

Your kids are forced to join a new school every year! Or wait, every quarter they swap schools!
Maybe it was every week?

What are you talking about, lady?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Yeah, shouldn’t Scenario 1 be a little lower since it sends the Franklin Farm part to Skyview?

Also what is up with the tiny triangle added to Oakton in Scenario 2?

IT DOES NOT SEND OAKTON FRANKLIN FARM KIDS TO SKYVIEW EXCEPT ONE STREET. It sends neighborhoods that are directly adjacent to Franklin Farm but not part of the HOA to Skyview. Let's talk about conspiracy theories here....

Just an FYI, There is a large section of Franklin Farm across the parkway that has always been at Chantilly and will be sent to Skyview. In Scenario 2, they are sending almost all to Skyview (along with the rest of Oak Hill) with the exception of one tiny area of Franklin Farm which is stays at Chantilly. Hopefully, they will adjust that and send them to Skyview, as well.

Yes, sweetie, that's not who we are talking about. Get with the program.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Your last part isn't a great argument because right now, Crossfield kids are the only ones from Carson that go to Oakton. None of their new friends are going to high school with them. At least this way, in 8th, these kids will be at Franklin with Waples and Navy kids going to Oakton with them.

There are a lot of Navy and Waples Mill AAP kids at Carson going to Oakton. Carson is currently part of the Oakton pyramid!

My non-AAP child does not interact with them. Only a small portion of Crossfield kids are in AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving academy programming doesn't help Westfield because it doesn't get them students.

They need to put in some kind of attractive academic programming that would make people want to send their kids their full time.

Perhaps they should consider aviation and artificial intelligence pathways.

If Westfield had only told Reid in early 2025 they were willing to rebrand as "Skyview Aviators" there is no telling what she would have been ready to do for the school.

Now they're kind of screwed.