FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Oaks has been proposed to move from Chantilly to Oakton. Does anyone think that makes sense? They are also in walking distance of Chantilly.

I live in Highland Oaks and I’d prefer to stick with the rest of the ES community, whether it’s feeding into Chantilly or Oakton. I don’t care, they’re both great schools. It’s sad that 90% of Navy goes to Oakton except for this little sliver of communities off of RT 50.

Tell me you don’t have a high schooler without telling me you don’t have a high schooler. The commute to Oakton is brutal and would be very difficult once your kid has after school activities/evening events. Navy Chantilly Moms are very happy with Chantilly and their short commute.

Meh. The rest of the Navy community doesn’t seem to mind it. In fact they’re sending out school-wide communications to unite messaging to stick with Oakton. So this Navy Chantilly parent is sticking with my original position. I would rather stay with the community, whichever direction they put us.

The emails from Navy are basically asking people to comment on the boundary tool and asking to preserve the current boundaries. I don't think it's about everyone wanting Oakton so much as not splitting up the Navy community, which all three scenarios do just in different ways. The proposal to move some Navy kids to Crossfield seems off the table for now. But there's still the weird Navy to Rocky Run to Oakton proposal. And I guess some are upset about being moved from Oakton to Chantilly, though I think that's not such a bad change especially since some Navy kids already go there. They should just unify around the Rocky Run scenario not making any sense.

We are a Navy family who is zoned for Oakton in all 3 scenarios. We would be more than happy to move to Chantilly if it meant keeping the cohort together. Logistically, it makes much more sense for us anyway

Thank you for saying that. But a lot of Navy Oakton moms will disagree with this because they think Chantilly is a worse school. They will want to stay at Oakton. The worst would be if they make the Navy Chantilly kids move over to Oakton because the commute sucks and they are already established at Chantilly.

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I just found out if you pupil place your child at the high school when the boundary changes take place (like you may if an older sibling already goes there and is grandfathered), they wouldn't be allowed to participate in any VHSL activities for one year. This is horrible for rising freshman who want to stay at the same school as an older sibling for the year 2027-2028 which is when the boundary changes take place.

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Anonymous wrote:I just found out if you pupil place your child at the high school when the boundary changes take place (like you may if an older sibling already goes there and is grandfathered), they wouldn't be allowed to participate in any VHSL activities for one year. This is horrible for rising freshman who want to stay at the same school as an older sibling for the year 2027-2028 which is when the boundary changes take place.

There is a workaround process. There is a form, they just want to ensure transfers aren’t happening just to get kids on better teams or whatever. This will not impact typical athletes transferring from IB to AP schools for example.

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Anonymous wrote:I just found out if you pupil place your child at the high school when the boundary changes take place (like you may if an older sibling already goes there and is grandfathered), they wouldn't be allowed to participate in any VHSL activities for one year. This is horrible for rising freshman who want to stay at the same school as an older sibling for the year 2027-2028 which is when the boundary changes take place.

There is a workaround process. There is a form, they just want to ensure transfers aren’t happening just to get kids on better teams or whatever. This will not impact typical athletes transferring from IB to AP schools for example.

Different situations may be treated differently. No one should go on what posters here claim. Look at the FCPS materials:

https://www.fcps.edu/get-involved/athletics/athletic-eligibility-and-transfer-gateway

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Anonymous wrote:I just found out if you pupil place your child at the high school when the boundary changes take place (like you may if an older sibling already goes there and is grandfathered), they wouldn't be allowed to participate in any VHSL activities for one year. This is horrible for rising freshman who want to stay at the same school as an older sibling for the year 2027-2028 which is when the boundary changes take place.

There is a workaround process. There is a form, they just want to ensure transfers aren’t happening just to get kids on better teams or whatever. This will not impact typical athletes transferring from IB to AP schools for example.

New rules passed this year that prevent that. If you are attending a public school that is not your base school, you sit a year. Private school kids moving into public school for HS have to attend the base school associated with their address and not pupil place to a different school or they sit. Kids transfering for IB or AP will sit out a year. The exceptions are places like TJ.

So yes, a kid who is affected by the boundary change needs to attend the new school or sit a year. People are calling it the Hayfield rule.

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Anonymous wrote:I just found out if you pupil place your child at the high school when the boundary changes take place (like you may if an older sibling already goes there and is grandfathered), they wouldn't be allowed to participate in any VHSL activities for one year. This is horrible for rising freshman who want to stay at the same school as an older sibling for the year 2027-2028 which is when the boundary changes take place.

There is a workaround process. There is a form, they just want to ensure transfers aren’t happening just to get kids on better teams or whatever. This will not impact typical athletes transferring from IB to AP schools for example.

New rules passed this year that prevent that. If you are attending a public school that is not your base school, you sit a year. Private school kids moving into public school for HS have to attend the base school associated with their address and not pupil place to a different school or they sit. Kids transfering for IB or AP will sit out a year. The exceptions are places like TJ.

So yes, a kid who is affected by the boundary change needs to attend the new school or sit a year. People are calling it the Hayfield rule.

Again, interested posters should read the FCPS materials linked to above. You are posting misinformation.

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So now siblings are punished? Their older sibling will be a senior grandfathered in during the 2027-2028 school year and the younger sibling will be expected to start a new school so we have two siblings at different high schools? That’s ridiculous and places an unfair burden on us. But if we pupil place the younger sibling at the older sibling’s school they will have to sit out of any VHSL sport for one year? That’s unfair!

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Anonymous wrote:So now siblings are punished? Their older sibling will be a senior grandfathered in during the 2027-2028 school year and the younger sibling will be expected to start a new school so we have two siblings at different high schools? That’s ridiculous and places an unfair burden on us. But if we pupil place the younger sibling at the older sibling’s school they will have to sit out of any VHSL sport for one year? That’s unfair!

Per FCPS:

If my student may stay at the current school under the phasing policy, and a sibling placement is requested for a new or future 9th grader, will the sibling be eligible for VHSL athletics and activities?

No, sibling placement through the FCPS Office of Student Registration does not satisfy the VHSL Transfer rule, or meet a condition for an exception or waiver of the rule. The sibling will be ineligible for a period of 365 calendar days, beginning with the first day of school next year.

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So likes just turn this place into a data center. Seems like the whole process punishes every demographic.

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Anonymous wrote:So likes just turn this place into a data center. Seems like the whole process punishes every demographic.

It's been so long since FCPS has opened a new school, or changed boundaries in ways that would move any kids to a lower-rated school, that people have forgotten that you don't always get your way in a large county with a big school system.

It's not like prior boundary changes that moved kids to wealthier schools didn't have a negative impact on a number of schools. But that was OK with most of you. It's just the generational trauma of potentially being moved from Oakton to Skyview, or from Centreville to Westfield, that has you in a tizzy.

Time to grow up. Your whining suggests you've been coddled your entire lives.

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Just like the MS school bus issue, it’s about getting more buses rather than messing up both ES & HS schedules. For skyview HS, has to be just about setting boundary around skyview HS neighborhood, rather than getting all 5 HS areas involved.

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Anonymous wrote:Was there a reason given for Lees Corner getting super special treatment? Does a SB member live there?

I wondered this too, they capitulated so fast and made the promise so quickly it certainly seemed like a personal favor. There was no logical reason to single out that one neighborhood as more important than any other area.

It is the closest one to Chantilly, that's literally why they picked it and not your neighborhood. Sorry you live further away from Chantilly, but that's just how it works.

Didn't they pick Lees Corner to move because it was the closest neighborhood to Westfield from an overcrowded school?

No, it’s Brookfield and Poplar Tree are closer. There’s no logical reason they proposed Lees Corner to move

Per google maps, Lees Corner ES is 4.3 miles and Brookfield ES is 4.2 miles. That's pretty much identical. They are equally close. Poplar tree es is farther: 5.3 miles. Why do you keep repeating that Poplar Tree is closer? I'm baffled.

Pretty obvious they just picked one of the two identically closest ESes. No other elementary school is closer to Westfield that doesn't already go there (besides that sliver of Cub Run which will for sure be moved.)

DP, and don't live in either area. Lees Corner would be isolated from the rest of Westfield as the only school north of 50 and east of the airport. Brookfield and Poplar Tree are both right up against the existing Westfield neighborhoods. So is Bull Run. The fact that you can't look at the map and acknowledge that all 3 of those zones are better fits for Westfield than Lees Corner shows your bias along with a healthy dose of cognitive dissonance.

I can't figure out how this fact is relevant. Road miles traveled is miles traveled, regardless of whether you are crossing route 50 or where the airport is (all these neighborhoods are south of the airport). LC is MUCH closer than PT and BRES and tied with Brookfield. So either LC or Brookfield makes the most sense if what we care about it decreasing the distances traveled to a school (by ALL the kids attending the school, not just your kids.

I'm not sure why you are so angry when your neighborhood was singled out and protected by the SB members despite its obvious choice as a candidate for rezoning.

PP who does not understand that it is relevant whether or not the neighborhood is connected to other neighborhoods has likely not had a high school child.

When kids reach high school, one would hope and expect that they would increase their "friend group." If friends are also separated from other neighborhoods as well as the school that becomes very difficult. Need a ride home from an activity? Hard to find or carpool if everyone else lives in a different direction.

It is extremely important that the neighborhoods be contiguous. Lee's Corner neighborhoods would not be contiguous to any other neighborhoods attending Westfield. That is significant.

Of all the dumb arguments, this is the dumbest.

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Anonymous wrote:So likes just turn this place into a data center. Seems like the whole process punishes every demographic.

It's been so long since FCPS has opened a new school, or changed boundaries in ways that would move any kids to a lower-rated school, that people have forgotten that you don't always get your way in a large county with a big school system.

It's not like prior boundary changes that moved kids to wealthier schools didn't have a negative impact on a number of schools. But that was OK with most of you. It's just the generational trauma of potentially being moved from Oakton to Skyview, or from Centreville to Westfield, that has you in a tizzy.

Time to grow up. Your whining suggests you've been coddled your entire lives.

LC?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a dog in this fight but I’ve read many posts here about how great Skyview will be because kids north of Route 50 would no longer have to go to Westfield. It would seem awfully odd to then flip a Chantilly neighborhood that’s north of 50 and quite close to Chantilly to Westfield instead.

It’s also pretty obvious that no one wants to get moved to Westfield and that deserves attention in and of itself. Is it the school’s location, typical racism, or other things about the school that raise concerns? It doesn’t sound like anyone moved to Westfield would end up with the lengthy commutes of parts of Herndon and Great Falls to Langley.

Westfield is a middle of the pack school. There are schools that have a stronger peer group and more AP/IB selections because of the size of the peer group that people would prefer to go to. Chantilly and Oakton are both involved in this move and are higher ranked schools. Centerville is a higher ranked school, then Westfield. Better test scores, more AP classes offered, a larger AP peer group. People don’t want to leave those schools and that makes sense. They don’t want to be moved from higher ranked programs that offer more AP classes due to more kids in those AP classes.

Westfield is losing some of the FARMs kids that tend to have lower test scores and not to take AP classes. It’s performance could improve, dependent on the schools that are move into it. Like it or not, part of the decisions on who to move or not move is going to be based on balancing out FARMs rates so that we don’t end up with another Lewis or Herndon or Mt. Vernon. It is why Meren doesn’t want to give up Floris or Fox Mill, she doesn’t want to lose the test score bump that those kids bring.

Right now, Westfield has the most FARMs kids of any school in the Western area *and*the highest percentage. 2800 kids and 31% FARMs rate. CHS is only 18%. CVHS is 28%--most of their FARMs kids come from that area of Bull Run being considered for rezoning, and the Centre Ridge area.

Westfield is losing a mix of SES if they transfer out their Floris/McNair/Coates areas to Skyview. Some higher and some lower income areas.

The main feeder to Westfield, Stone, whose feeder ESes will all stay at Westfield, is 35% FARMs. Adding in the Bull Run areas currently zoned to CVHS will increase its number of FARMs kids as the majority of those areas are lower income townhomes and apartments. And, it would reduce the FARMs rate at CVHS.

Stone (around 700 students) is not big enough to be the only MS feeding into Westfield.

Adding in a Chantilly ES would decrease Westfield's FARMs rate as all the Chantilly ES zones are wealthier on average than the Westfield ESes that aren't being moved, and fill seats at Westfield that must be filled by someone.

The small Cub Run sliver that everyone agrees makes sense to move to Westfield from CHS has so few students that it won't tilt the numbers much.

If there is no clear, obvious close by area to move to Westfield (and there is not), then it makes sense to choose a school that would balance out the FARMs rates between neighboring schools. That's one of the CHS ES zones.

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Oaks has been proposed to move from Chantilly to Oakton. Does anyone think that makes sense? They are also in walking distance of Chantilly.

I live in Highland Oaks and I’d prefer to stick with the rest of the ES community, whether it’s feeding into Chantilly or Oakton. I don’t care, they’re both great schools. It’s sad that 90% of Navy goes to Oakton except for this little sliver of communities off of RT 50.

Tell me you don’t have a high schooler without telling me you don’t have a high schooler. The commute to Oakton is brutal and would be very difficult once your kid has after school activities/evening events. Navy Chantilly Moms are very happy with Chantilly and their short commute.

Meh. The rest of the Navy community doesn’t seem to mind it. In fact they’re sending out school-wide communications to unite messaging to stick with Oakton. So this Navy Chantilly parent is sticking with my original position. I would rather stay with the community, whichever direction they put us.

The emails from Navy are basically asking people to comment on the boundary tool and asking to preserve the current boundaries. I don't think it's about everyone wanting Oakton so much as not splitting up the Navy community, which all three scenarios do just in different ways. The proposal to move some Navy kids to Crossfield seems off the table for now. But there's still the weird Navy to Rocky Run to Oakton proposal. And I guess some are upset about being moved from Oakton to Chantilly, though I think that's not such a bad change especially since some Navy kids already go there. They should just unify around the Rocky Run scenario not making any sense.

The only reason they moved some of Navy to Rocky Run is because Crossfield now has taken over Franklin in all 3 scenarios. And the only reason Crossfield wants Franklin is so they can avoid Skyview and remain at a Oakton permanently, even though they are literally the furthest from Oakton and one of the closest to Skyview. They should be going to Skyview period.

Not really. Part of the Navy goes to Chantilly, and Rocky Run is the feeder middle school for Chantilly.

Plus, Oak Hill will leave Franklin and Franklin need students as a result.

Rocky Run is a better middle school than Franklin.

Yes really. Franklin MS is currently a feeder to only Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. It’s a great way for Navy Chantilly kids to meet other Chantilly HS kids. Lees Corner ES goes to Franklin MS and feeds into Chantilly HS. If Navy Chantilly kids get put at Rocky Run MS they lose out on meeting the Lees Corner kids as well as other kids going to Chantilly HS. Rocky Run is an AAP center so splits to more high schools than just Oakton and Chantilly.

My kids went to Rocky Run. Almost the entire population moved on with them to CHS. I would say at least 85%.