Option B Alternate - Adding extra ES to WJ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't really care about academic "reputation," but what makes you so certain Woodward will have inferior teachers and course offerings?

Because WJ already have established advanced classes and will have humanities magnet. Good teachers will prefer to stay with what they know vs going to a new school to face challenges. Yes, Taylor and co are saying that all schools will have almost the same advanced classes but it never works like that in practice. I hope I am wrong, but I am afraid that Woodward will struggle to attract enough interest among students to offer advanced classes as many students will run to WJ for humanities or Wheaton for STEM. Art magnet will hurt everyone except true art prodigies.

WJ will have older teachers, because those with seniority will have their choice and those without will have to find another school once the population declines. Older is more experienced, but isn't necessarily better all around.

This is so true. I can think of a few at WJ who should retire!

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Anonymous wrote:VM parents strongly support Taylor's plan. We want Woodward, not WJ.

No, you support Taylor's plan. And that is fine. But stop pretending that you speak for the entire VM community.

The opinions in the VM parent Whatsapp group are largely unanimous. Are you a current VM parent?

DP

I don't question that what you are saying about sentiment on WhatsApp is true. But I find it mind-boggling that there would be such a strong consensus not to select a school that will almost certainly have better class offering, better teacher and overall better academic reputation. Not to mention that Woodward will be stuck with the art magnet, additionally diverting resources from things that matter.

We don't want a pressure-cooker W school. Our cluster doesn't want our mostly first-gen Hispanic children to have to compete with hordes of wealthy privileged white kids who have private tutors and SAT prep. We purchased our home in Randolph Hills anticipating that our kids could go to school in a diverse, welcoming environment with many people like them, not shipped off to Bethesda to be the token diversity population.

How is keeping your kids with “many people like them” diversity? Sounds like you want to hold your kids back instead of sending them to an objectively better school- crab in a bucket mentality.

+1 🦀 🦀 🦀 🪣 🪣 🪣

Only a white person would make this comment! I dare you to make this same statement to Wootton families. Somehow you think it’s okay to talk to black and brown families like this.

Only a 🪣 🦀 would choose to send their kid to a worse school with worse outcomes in the name of “diversity”. If the original poster really wanted diversity, they’d send their kids to WJ where they can meet kids who are different than they are and be exposed to better outcomes.

It’s 🪣🦀 mentality and the sad part is - it’s the parents dragging their own kids down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Balanced schools are better for everyone. End of conversation. Personal preferences are not in play. Stop thinking your opinion or voice matters more than anyone else’s.

Google how many times MCPS has shifted boundaries in the last 40 years.

Spoiler alert - it’s 131 times since 1984. Public schools belong to everyone. No one gets to pick and choose who does or doesn’t go to a school. That’s lunacy.

Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) has changed school boundaries 131 times since 1984, as part of 92 separate boundary studies. Roughly two‑thirds of the changes were tied to opening new schools or adding capacity (additions/expansions), rather than standalone redistricting for other reasons.

Cite your data. Research shows this curated diversity is good for WHITE students but not so much for everyone else. Why do you think Wootton wants to stay together?

Cite your 'research'. And what is the point of your Wootton example? But before you answer that question check their demographics first.

[Anonymous]

Under the Superintendent's recommendation, 15% of students at WJ would be Latino. Don't these students deserve to have more culturally congruent peers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Balanced schools are better for everyone. End of conversation. Personal preferences are not in play. Stop thinking your opinion or voice matters more than anyone else’s.

Google how many times MCPS has shifted boundaries in the last 40 years.

Spoiler alert - it’s 131 times since 1984. Public schools belong to everyone. No one gets to pick and choose who does or doesn’t go to a school. That’s lunacy.

Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) has changed school boundaries 131 times since 1984, as part of 92 separate boundary studies. Roughly two‑thirds of the changes were tied to opening new schools or adding capacity (additions/expansions), rather than standalone redistricting for other reasons.

Cite your data. Research shows this curated diversity is good for WHITE students but not so much for everyone else. Why do you think Wootton wants to stay together?

Cite your 'research'. And what is the point of your Wootton example? But before you answer that question check their demographics first.

DP

The research says the opposite of what the PP is claiming. Kids of color benefit the most from desegregating schools.

Here is the research I referenced earlier in this thread: https://tcf.org/content/commentary/housing-policy-is-school-policy/

Building on the strength of the random assignment of children to schools, I examine the longitudinal school performance from 2001 to 2007 of approximately 850 students in public housing who attended elementary schools and lived in neighborhoods that fell along a spectrum of very-low-poverty to moderate-poverty rates. In brief, I find that over a period of five to seven years, children in public housing who attended the school district’s most-advantaged schools (as measured by either subsidized lunch status or the district’s own criteria) far outperformed in math and reading those chil-
dren in public housing who attended the district’s least-advantaged elementary schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VM parents strongly support Taylor's plan. We want Woodward, not WJ.

No, you support Taylor's plan. And that is fine. But stop pretending that you speak for the entire VM community.

The opinions in the VM parent Whatsapp group are largely unanimous. Are you a current VM parent?

DP

I don't question that what you are saying about sentiment on WhatsApp is true. But I find it mind-boggling that there would be such a strong consensus not to select a school that will almost certainly have better class offering, better teacher and overall better academic reputation. Not to mention that Woodward will be stuck with the art magnet, additionally diverting resources from things that matter.

We don't want a pressure-cooker W school. Our cluster doesn't want our mostly first-gen Hispanic children to have to compete with hordes of wealthy privileged white kids who have private tutors and SAT prep. We purchased our home in Randolph Hills anticipating that our kids could go to school in a diverse, welcoming environment with many people like them, not shipped off to Bethesda to be the token diversity population.

This makes me very sad. WJ is not that kind of place today. yes there is definitely a cohort that is like that, but in my opinion it’s toned down because of the economic diversity and because students don’t always get what they want at WJ (due to overcrowding, the kids share a lot and there are limits on teams, clubs, opportunities etc => less entitlement).

It does make me feel good that VM and WW feel like Woodward will be a kinder, more welcoming place.

[Anonymous]

We don't want a pressure-cooker W school. Our cluster doesn't want our mostly first-gen Hispanic children to have to compete with hordes of wealthy privileged white kids who have private tutors and SAT prep. We purchased our home in Randolph Hills anticipating that our kids could go to school in a diverse, welcoming environment with many people like them, not shipped off to Bethesda to be the token diversity population.

This makes me very sad. WJ is not that kind of place today. yes there is definitely a cohort that is like that, but in my opinion it’s toned down because of the economic diversity and because students don’t always get what they want at WJ (due to overcrowding, the kids share a lot and there are limits on teams, clubs, opportunities etc => less entitlement).

It does make me feel good that VM and WW feel like Woodward will be a kinder, more welcoming place.

It seems that for some people pressure-cooker means any place of learning where there is some learning involved.

[Anonymous]

We don't want a pressure-cooker W school. Our cluster doesn't want our mostly first-gen Hispanic children to have to compete with hordes of wealthy privileged white kids who have private tutors and SAT prep. We purchased our home in Randolph Hills anticipating that our kids could go to school in a diverse, welcoming environment with many people like them, not shipped off to Bethesda to be the token diversity population.

This makes me very sad. WJ is not that kind of place today. yes there is definitely a cohort that is like that, but in my opinion it’s toned down because of the economic diversity and because students don’t always get what they want at WJ (due to overcrowding, the kids share a lot and there are limits on teams, clubs, opportunities etc => less entitlement).

It does make me feel good that VM and WW feel like Woodward will be a kinder, more welcoming place.

You will be dodging a bullet with this angry racist being sent to Woodward. Hopefully most VM families are not like that.

[Anonymous]

Gee, can't imagine why VM families would prefer Woodward after reading this thread...

[Anonymous]

Under this plan, Who will be 10th graders in Woodward in 2027 ( Current 8th graders) ? Tilden MS only or DCC schools will join them ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gee, can't imagine why VM families would prefer Woodward after reading this thread...

I think there is a small handful of people ruining the discussion and trying to stoke animosity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VM parents strongly support Taylor's plan. We want Woodward, not WJ.

No, you support Taylor's plan. And that is fine. But stop pretending that you speak for the entire VM community.

The opinions in the VM parent Whatsapp group are largely unanimous. Are you a current VM parent?

DP

I don't question that what you are saying about sentiment on WhatsApp is true. But I find it mind-boggling that there would be such a strong consensus not to select a school that will almost certainly have better class offering, better teacher and overall better academic reputation. Not to mention that Woodward will be stuck with the art magnet, additionally diverting resources from things that matter.

We don't want a pressure-cooker W school. Our cluster doesn't want our mostly first-gen Hispanic children to have to compete with hordes of wealthy privileged white kids who have private tutors and SAT prep. We purchased our home in Randolph Hills anticipating that our kids could go to school in a diverse, welcoming environment with many people like them, not shipped off to Bethesda to be the token diversity population.

How is keeping your kids with “many people like them” diversity? Sounds like you want to hold your kids back instead of sending them to an objectively better school- crab in a bucket mentality.

+1 🦀 🦀 🦀 🪣 🪣 🪣

Only a white person would make this comment! I dare you to make this same statement to Wootton families. Somehow you think it’s okay to talk to black and brown families like this.

Only a 🪣 🦀 would choose to send their kid to a worse school with worse outcomes in the name of “diversity”. If the original poster really wanted diversity, they’d send their kids to WJ where they can meet kids who are different than they are and be exposed to better outcomes.

It’s 🪣🦀 mentality and the sad part is - it’s the parents dragging their own kids down.

Cite your data that proves this. “Exposed to better outcomes” is such a coded racist phrase. You make it seem as if my black/brown kid can become a better human just by watching your white kid!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Under this plan, Who will be 10th graders in Woodward in 2027 ( Current 8th graders) ? Tilden MS only or DCC schools will join them ?

Taylor says current 8th graders will get to choose their DCC program for next AND finish their HS years in that building in that current program. He said the same thing about kids headed to are already in regional magnets such as RMIB and Blair. So that means just the Farmland, Luxmanor, KP/Gp portions in Woodward for 10th graders in 2027

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Under this plan, Who will be 10th graders in Woodward in 2027 ( Current 8th graders) ? Tilden MS only or DCC schools will join them ?

Taylor says current 8th graders will get to choose their DCC program for next AND finish their HS years in that building in that current program. He said the same thing about kids headed to are already in regional magnets such as RMIB and Blair. So that means just the Farmland, Luxmanor, KP/Gp portions in Woodward for 10th graders in 2027

So less than 300 kids will be in 10th grade when Woodward is opened ? How will this impact their course selections in HS? Will they have Spanish 1-5, French 1-5 , AP classes same as WJ ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Balanced schools are better for everyone. End of conversation. Personal preferences are not in play. Stop thinking your opinion or voice matters more than anyone else’s.

Google how many times MCPS has shifted boundaries in the last 40 years.

Spoiler alert - it’s 131 times since 1984. Public schools belong to everyone. No one gets to pick and choose who does or doesn’t go to a school. That’s lunacy.

Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) has changed school boundaries 131 times since 1984, as part of 92 separate boundary studies. Roughly two‑thirds of the changes were tied to opening new schools or adding capacity (additions/expansions), rather than standalone redistricting for other reasons.

Cite your data. Research shows this curated diversity is good for WHITE students but not so much for everyone else. Why do you think Wootton wants to stay together?

Cite your 'research'. And what is the point of your Wootton example? But before you answer that question check their demographics first.

DP

The research says the opposite of what the PP is claiming. Kids of color benefit the most from desegregating schools.

Here is the research I referenced earlier in this thread: https://tcf.org/content/commentary/housing-policy-is-school-policy/

Building on the strength of the random assignment of children to schools, I examine the longitudinal school performance from 2001 to 2007 of approximately 850 students in public housing who attended elementary schools and lived in neighborhoods that fell along a spectrum of very-low-poverty to moderate-poverty rates. In brief, I find that over a period of five to seven years, children in public housing who attended the school district’s most-advantaged schools (as measured by either subsidized lunch status or the district’s own criteria) far outperformed in math and reading those chil-
dren in public housing who attended the district’s least-advantaged elementary schools.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools

In addition to race, there are also studies about socioeconomic diversity.