Why are younger men so right wing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In recent years, Democrats really went out of their way to ostracize and demonize young straight white men. It's not a surprise some turned toward the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is a very little tent these days.

^^Liar alert^^

I don't see that and neither do my young, straight, white sons, but then again they weren't constantly listening to "the right" telling them lies about what "the left" was saying.

These people are confusing “demonizing” with “holding accountable.”

Oh no, people are holding young men to some kind of standard instead of letting them say and do whatever it is they want and it’s hurting their feelings!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned the phenomenon of replacing White men with basically anything else in media?

That’s something that really turned a lot of people against the left.

You mean that they are representing society? White men make up 3x% of society.

Whiners got in their feelings about that?!

Please, I don’t want to to hear anything ever again about maga tough guys lmao

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In recent years, Democrats really went out of their way to ostracize and demonize young straight white men. It's not a surprise some turned toward the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is a very little tent these days.

^^Liar alert^^

I don't see that and neither do my young, straight, white sons, but then again they weren't constantly listening to "the right" telling them lies about what "the left" was saying.

These people are confusing “demonizing” with “holding accountable.”

Oh no, people are holding young men to some kind of standard instead of letting them say and do whatever it is they want and it’s hurting their feelings!

Say 5 complementary things about young men.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned the phenomenon of replacing White men with basically anything else in media?

That’s something that really turned a lot of people against the left.

You mean that they are representing society? White men make up 3x% of society.

Whiners got in their feelings about that?!

Please, I don’t want to to hear anything ever again about maga tough guys lmao

So as the composition of society changes, White men need to be erased from society and history? Can’t imagine why White men are flocking towards the party that will erase them more slowly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned the phenomenon of replacing White men with basically anything else in media?

That’s something that really turned a lot of people against the left.

You mean that they are representing society? White men make up 3x% of society.

Whiners got in their feelings about that?!

Please, I don’t want to to hear anything ever again about maga tough guys lmao

So as the composition of society changes, White men need to be erased from society and history? Can’t imagine why White men are flocking towards the party that will erase them more slowly.

You can see from the comments here that many Democrats would be very happy if young men disappeared from society. And young men feel that. For the past 10 years or so, they have been told over and over again by progressives that they are the problem. And they need to disappear.

If Democrats could bring the focus back to class and economic issues, they'd get all the young men. But Democrats make everything about race and gender, and young men recoil from that. Over recent years, a lot of young men have come to feel that Democrats are going to make things impossible for them and their ability to make a living and find community today. They don't like Trump. But they fear Democrats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see one compelling argument that isn't about white men whining about no longer being handed everything when they want it (as often), or rooted in hatred/mistrust of women.

Okay, run with that and keep losing presidential elections for eternity.

Oh noes, you feel the world is against you so you want to vote for the grifter billionaires who don't give a shit about you? See how that helps you and your family, kids, etc.

I’m a Harris-voting, lifelong Democrat, you moron. I am just not sealed inside the deep blue bubble like you are. I want to win the presidential election again some day, and I see nobody on the horizon who even comes close to being a realistic candidate.

For context, I accurately called Trump’s wins months before the election each time, as well as Biden’s. I’ve correctly predicted each presidential election since I started paying attention (Obama). I tried to warn people here that Trump was going to win and got a lot of posts back about how wrong I was. 🤷‍♀️

Also don’t come back about stupid special elections or whatever. They are irrelevant to national voting patterns. The Democrats will win the midterms but at this rate will get trounced again in the presidential election unless a dark horse candidate emerges. And a lot of that has to do with the denialism on display in this thread.

If you’re hoping for a white male candidate who won’t scare away the racists and who is good at insulting people and pandering to young men with shallow lies, those are called Republicans.

Why are we getting lectures about The Democrats Hate Young Men And Have Lost Them Forever (with zero evidence to back that up, other than “sometimes they talk about issues that don’t center me” and “why did Harvard reject me and why do I not have an upper management job at age 25”), and no corresponding lectures about The Republicans Hate Women And Will Never Win Another Election Because Of That? Republicans actually back that up with policy. Women are bleeding out in hospital parking lots. There’s a huge push to get women out of the military, jobs, and academia, and back in the kitchen having babies. There’s talk of removing their right to vote, and going back to the days when women couldn’t open bank accounts or have credit cards in their name. Now THAT’S real hatred. “Oh no, the acronym BIPOC exists” is not.

There are so many threads devoted to Winning Back Young Men for Democrats, and zero devoted to Winning Back Young Women for Republicans. That should tell you what the real problem is. Republicans don’t give a sh*t about women, except as baby vessels. They don’t need to. They already have a structural advantage baked in to the Electoral College. They have the Supreme Court locked down for a generation. They have an enormous billionaire-backed media megaphone pumping out lies and distortions to the public 24/7. They don’t need anyone’s vote except for straight white evangelical men, and that is exactly who the country is being run by and for. Spare us the sob stories about underrepresentation.

You are correct that no Republican cares about winning women but your reasoning about why is wrong and your understanding of the political landscape is wrong. No Republican cares about winning women to the Republicans because the Democrats are pushing women to the Republicans on their own. The Republicans don’t have to do any work to get those votes.

It is also interesting to me that you, like most of the other sealed blue bubble posters in this thread, are focused on straight white males only, when the data you should really be worried about is the shift of men who aren’t straight and/or white. That is the trend that is unfortunately and likely going to keep Democrats out of the presidential office for many years, unless sealed blue bubble Democrats like you step out of your bubble.

But unfortunately your political ideologies won’t allow you to recognize that electoral reality or speak openly about it, so you are back to shaking your fist at straight white men. And you are reflective of the Democratic Party apparatus and control. Which is why Democrats remain more unpopular than Trump even given how unpopular Trump is. You simply cannot face electoral reality because facing reality unmoors your self-identity too much. Your self-identity is grounded in a political philosophy that insists on a ranked hierarchy of identities, and recognizing the shift of men who are not straight and/or white to the Republicans would require you to take a hit to that self-identity. That’s too much for you to handle, and same with other identitarian Democrats (who unfortunately control the party), so the Democrats and you would rather languish as being less popular than Trump and accept never winning the presidential election again.

None of this is accurate. It’s not backed up by any real world facts.

For example, your assertion that Democrats are “pushing” women to the Republican party is untrue. Every recent poll shows that young women are becoming more liberal, not less. There’s a large gender gap. It stands to reason, for the reasons outlined above (Dobbs, Project 2025, the general embrace of misogyny on the right). Your statement comes across as wishful thinking, maybe because you can’t understand how any woman in her right mind could vote for Democrats. Look at the party platforms and how each party speaks about women, and it might make sense. You can’t say this is what’s driving men to vote a certain way, but then reach the opposite conclusion for women.

Another example: your armchair-psychology statement that “Your self-identity is grounded in a political philosophy that insists on a ranked hierarchy of identities” is completely wrong. What you’re describing is an authoritarian mindset, which is more commonly found on the right. Democrats don’t like hierarchies. They don’t like kings, in case you hadn’t noticed from all the protests. That’s what young men are complaining about. They want the old hierarchy restored, with them on top.

By the way, the latest election results show men shifting away from the GOP. There was a +40 shift to Dems in New York. 6 in 10 voted for the Dem candidate in Virginia. Affordability is a huge concern for gen Z, something that Trump has failed to address. And gay men still break overwhelmingly Democratic 83-17, not surprisingly since the GOP has historically demonstrated hostility to LGBTQ+ issues. There isn’t a mass defection happening.

For someone who accuses others of being in a bubble, you have a very poor grasp of what’s happening in the real world and what motivates people.

I think they said 30% of Trump voters also voted for Mamdani.

I think what this actually says is that there is a decent %age of the population that doesn't believe any political party cares about them, and they are drawn to populist/socialist platforms...and they don't actually care all that much as to the political party, but rather are heavily swayed by the literal person espousing the position.

There is a big disconnect on both sides between what they tell voters, and what they actually do. With all the talk of trad wives and returning to the 1950s, MAGA can’t make that a practical possibility unless they also guarantee that households can function on one income. That’s not gonna happen. But it’s an attractive fantasy that they can dangle to attract male votes.

It's already happening. Over 400,000 mothers dropped from the workforce in Q1 and Q2, which is the steepest decline in 40 years. https://thecareboard.ku.edu/news/article/us-sees-steepest-decline-of-mothers-of-young-children-in-the-workforce-in-40-years-study-finds. MAGA didn't have to do anything. Women are the ones saying they've had enough. Alot of young couples are deciding to homeschool and make it work. And I applaud them. Children need their mothers at home and women want to be there. We have seen what happens to society when we start deviating from ingrained biological roles that has kept humanity together for thousands of years.

Yeah look at that Erika Kirk home baking and loving on her grieving children....oh wait never mind

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

This.

No

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

This.

You mean to say this...is BS? Yes it's BS.

Stop listening to right wing lies about what the "left" is doing. Men need to take responsibility for their own behavior and stop blaming women for their character flaws.

[Anonymous]

Young men are more right wing today because they've been tricked and misled by hucksters and grifters into thinking that Donald Trump will somehow look out for their interests in a way that Democrats won't.

This is the "What's the Matter with Kansas" problem again...people voting against their own interests because some corrupt politicians told them it's "macho" to vote Republican.

Here are some hints, young men: if you think the Republicans love you more than the Democrats do, you're a sucker. If you think the Republicans will look out for your interests more than Democrats will, you're a fool. And if you think Fox News is more accurate than CNN News, you're an idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned the phenomenon of replacing White men with basically anything else in media?

That’s something that really turned a lot of people against the left.

You mean that they are representing society? White men make up 3x% of society.

Whiners got in their feelings about that?!

Please, I don’t want to to hear anything ever again about maga tough guys lmao

So as the composition of society changes, White men need to be erased from society and history? Can’t imagine why White men are flocking towards the party that will erase them more slowly.

You can see from the comments here that many Democrats would be very happy if young men disappeared from society. And young men feel that. For the past 10 years or so, they have been told over and over again by progressives that they are the problem. And they need to disappear.

If Democrats could bring the focus back to class and economic issues, they'd get all the young men. But Democrats make everything about race and gender, and young men recoil from that. Over recent years, a lot of young men have come to feel that Democrats are going to make things impossible for them and their ability to make a living and find community today. They don't like Trump. But they fear Democrats.

Nothing says "conservatives are fearful snowflakes with a persecution complex" more than the posts like this.

This whole thread has been chock full of right wing delusions like this. I honestly feel sad for you all.

Regards, happy, confident liberal, non-oppressed white male.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned the phenomenon of replacing White men with basically anything else in media?

That’s something that really turned a lot of people against the left.

You mean that they are representing society? White men make up 3x% of society.

Whiners got in their feelings about that?!

Please, I don’t want to to hear anything ever again about maga tough guys lmao

So as the composition of society changes, White men need to be erased from society and history? Can’t imagine why White men are flocking towards the party that will erase them more slowly.

You can see from the comments here that many Democrats would be very happy if young men disappeared from society. And young men feel that. For the past 10 years or so, they have been told over and over again by progressives that they are the problem. And they need to disappear.

If Democrats could bring the focus back to class and economic issues, they'd get all the young men. But Democrats make everything about race and gender, and young men recoil from that. Over recent years, a lot of young men have come to feel that Democrats are going to make things impossible for them and their ability to make a living and find community today. They don't like Trump. But they fear Democrats.

Nothing says "conservatives are fearful snowflakes with a persecution complex" more than the posts like this.

This whole thread has been chock full of right wing delusions like this. I honestly feel sad for you all.

Regards, happy, confident liberal, non-oppressed white male.

What does your party have to offer young men? Traditonally a lot, but I didn't see those traditional values campaigned on on the last presidental election.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned the phenomenon of replacing White men with basically anything else in media?

That’s something that really turned a lot of people against the left.

You mean that they are representing society? White men make up 3x% of society.

Whiners got in their feelings about that?!

Please, I don’t want to to hear anything ever again about maga tough guys lmao

So as the composition of society changes, White men need to be erased from society and history? Can’t imagine why White men are flocking towards the party that will erase them more slowly.

You can see from the comments here that many Democrats would be very happy if young men disappeared from society. And young men feel that. For the past 10 years or so, they have been told over and over again by progressives that they are the problem. And they need to disappear.

If Democrats could bring the focus back to class and economic issues, they'd get all the young men. But Democrats make everything about race and gender, and young men recoil from that. Over recent years, a lot of young men have come to feel that Democrats are going to make things impossible for them and their ability to make a living and find community today. They don't like Trump. But they fear Democrats.

Nothing says "conservatives are fearful snowflakes with a persecution complex" more than the posts like this.

This whole thread has been chock full of right wing delusions like this. I honestly feel sad for you all.

Regards, happy, confident liberal, non-oppressed white male.

So do you think this story isn’t real? You don’t think white men have been excluded from opportunities in some fields?

[Anonymous]

So far in this thread, various posters have suggested that the man in question:

-likes misogyny, transphobia, and homophobia
-must have been coddled and had everything handed to him
-is an incel
-is a “pussy”
-had bad parents
-is brainwashed
-is a racist
-is not very bright

Gee, I wonder why many young men don’t like the democrats? 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So far in this thread, various posters have suggested that the man in question:

-likes misogyny, transphobia, and homophobia
-must have been coddled and had everything handed to him
-is an incel
-is a “pussy”
-had bad parents
-is brainwashed
-is a racist
-is not very bright

Gee, I wonder why many young men don’t like the democrats? 🙄

These people have lost power and are like salted slugs when others are running things. They are vile and have high levels of mental illness. The men are just being healthy testosterone level and logical problem solvers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Young men are more right wing today because they've been tricked and misled by hucksters and grifters into thinking that Donald Trump will somehow look out for their interests in a way that Democrats won't.

This is the "What's the Matter with Kansas" problem again...people voting against their own interests because some corrupt politicians told them it's "macho" to vote Republican.

Here are some hints, young men: if you think the Republicans love you more than the Democrats do, you're a sucker. If you think the Republicans will look out for your interests more than Democrats will, you're a fool. And if you think Fox News is more accurate than CNN News, you're an idiot.

Nah. I don’t think the current Repubs are their friends (too much corruption), but dems actively hate them. They first abandoned a generation of young men in the 90s through Clinton free trade policies, the liberalization of oxy and prescription drugs and for AA men, mass incarceration. Those policies set the stage for deaths of despair. Then they trashed their value systems by trying to enforce a set of bizarre social ideas on them they didnt want. Then they sold them out again with the china trade and the Obama corporate bailout which once again blew a hole through a lot of remaining male working class jobs. Dems were then complicit in shutting males, especially white ones, out of key entry level jobs in especially media in the 10s as well as academic jobs and admissions. Not sure how voting dem is voting your own interest there. And then through me too and the aftermath of 2020, dems made it known that men were not to be trusted in society. Again, why would they vote for them? The backlash has been a long time brewing and represents a full generation of dislike of males and the younger ones are now pushing back. Dems think they can buy men off with a few cheap centralized social initiatives, but they just don’t like them. Be honest. They need a reset.